Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets"
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@magus said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
but the Windows one at least animates when you mouse over
The KDE one show opened windows in it.
If you hover your mouse, it tells you the desktop name and the list of app running on it.
If you click it, you get to that desktop.So yeah, you're right, the Windows one is better because it animates when you mouse over
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@blakeyrat At work I can't think of anyone that does. But I used to when I was in school, being on my laptop all the time it made it really easy to compartmentalize classes.
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@timebandit said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
If you click it, you get to that desktop.
That has nothing to do with recognizing what it does just from an icon. I mean, neither do your other points, unless you've already been using it and set up multiple desktops.
But if you really want to go with how useful it becomes when you click on it, the windows one lets you easily move things between desktops, and create them on the fly.
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@weng said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
Modern web browsers are REAL fucking enthusiastic about PDF.js
In a way that MS solution makes PDF.js maybe not obsolete, but definitely less useful, since the major advantage of PDF.js is that it opens in a tab without making you leave the browser. If browser makers actually adjust their products to integrate their tabs with system tabs (one can hope, right...), then you can have the same thing without PDF.js.
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@timebandit said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
They finally found a way to get people to use Edge: by making it the GUI
And they should have had made it this way for Win7 XPmode applications. It makes much more sense that way.
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@cheong I think now is the first time they've had a system that really works effectively for it. All UWP apps are vector based, and have a window border iff they are a window. If they're in tablet mode or you choose to, they become borderless. They all also work in Mixed Reality, and the window border is far different there.
Sets will be a new presentation mode for apps, and weirdly they think they'll be able to manage it for win32 apps, but I think the main goal is to have an abstraction in place that lets them offer more and more options for interaction.
If they go all the way with the fluent design concepts they've been describing, there's no telling where we'll end up. But I'm very interested to see it!
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@marczellm said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
I have once in a while wished to use Office or File Explorer with a tabbed interface. Even though this feature is advertised as grouping together different apps, I think it will be able to support my usecase as well. I'll try it out.
I use Clover for tabbed Explorer, though recently the installer also adds a Chinese adware
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@blakeyrat said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
@timebandit Probably not. Any non-assholes want to weigh in?
I use Virtual Desktops as a built-in Boss Key.
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@magus said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
the icon on the taskbar that looks like virtual desktops.
This?
When I saw that I assumed it was the same thing that triggered Aero Flip (Remember that?) and promptly ignored it, since I never used Flip to legitimately choose an open application.
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@magus said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
If you don't want to use it, why are you looking for it?
He wasn't?
@magus said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
If you don't know what it's for, how do you know you don't want to use it?
By the simple logic of "I wasn't using it before, why would I use it now?"
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@tsaukpaetra said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
This?
When I saw that I assumed it was the same thing that triggered Aero Flip (Remember that?) and promptly ignored it, since I never used Flip to legitimately choose an open application.
Oh, that's what that does? I assumed it was either Aero Flip or the go-to-desktop icon.
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@heterodox @Tsaukpaetra it's apparently called the "Task View" button:
It is identical to pressing ď…ş+Tab
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@lb_ The same shortcut as used to be used by Aero Flip. Also, I don't think anyone ever would understand "Task View" to mean virtual desktops. I've never even heard that name for them. That's confusing as fuck.
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@heterodox If you don't have more than one desktop, it shows the applications on your current desktop arranged by, well, I'm not quite sure how it arranges them, but I'm guessing it's according to what Windows thinks are tasks. Or something.
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@hardwaregeek said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
If you don't have more than one desktop, it shows the applications on your current desktop
So this explains the confusion - I don't use virtual desktops, therefore I didn't understand how Task View was related to virtual desktops at all.
@hardwaregeek said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
arranged by, well, I'm not quite sure how it arranges them, but I'm guessing it's according to what Windows thinks are tasks. Or something.
From some quick testing it appears to arrange them by the actual Z order, so most recent focus is first and least recent focus is last. It's also per-monitor, unlike Alt-Tab.
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@hardwaregeek said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
@heterodox If you don't have more than one desktop, it shows the applications on your current desktop arranged by, well, I'm not quite sure how it arranges them, but I'm guessing it's according to what Windows thinks are tasks. Or something.
It's the same ordering as Alt+Tab.
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@weng said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
@maciejasjmj Modern web browsers are REAL fucking enthusiastic about PDF.js
To the point that once you download the fucking PDF, if you try to open it from the fucking download UI in the browser, it opens it in the browser instead of bothering to see what the default is.
So what used to be:
Click link in email, click PDF in download UI, see AcrobatIs now:
Click link in email. Get stupid preview pane. Click "show me it for real", opens in PDF.js. Click download button. Click context menu on download UI, click "view in folder", right click, edit in Acrobat, see Acrobat (the last step is because corpofuck IThi hijacks the PDF binding to Acrobat Reader all the time)Chrome makes this mildly less absolutely horrible, FWIW...
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@maciejasjmj said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
In a way that MS solution makes PDF.js maybe not obsolete, but definitely less useful, since the major advantage of PDF.js is that it opens in a tab without making you leave the browser.
But the only way to not leave the browser — in a "launch another installed piece of software" sense — is to have PDF.js. :unimpressed:
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@maciejasjmj said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
I just don't see the use case for them.
I’m always working on several different things at the same time, and I use virtual desktops to keep those separate.
If I'm working on something for a long time I usually have it fullscreen, sometimes side-by-side
As already said, on macOS each full-screen app is a separate desktop, and you can switch between them as you do between desktops that have multiple windows on them.
That said, I don’t use full-screen for anything except watching the occasional video. I much prefer separate windows so I can easily switch between them to get the things I need. Hiding applications also helps there, to remove the things I don’t want to be distracted by.
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@tsaukpaetra said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
I use Virtual Desktops as a built-in Boss Key.
Here’s a good wallpaper for that desktop you switch to:
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Windows task view can drag&drop windows onto a different virtual desktop, but not onto a different physical monitor. I personally like using task view to close apps I'm not using anymore.
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@sloosecannon said in Microsoft sees the future of Windows 10 as "Sets":
Chrome makes this mildly less absolutely horrible, FWIW...
You may also want to change chrome://settings/content/pdfDocuments to Always Download them and chrome://settings/downloads to not automatically open them after downloading (it's a "Clear"
buttontext link that disappears after you click it). Otherwise it won't ask you where to save it even if you've told Chrome to always ask; it'll just save it wherever it feels like and open it.It could be worse, though; Edge doesn't let you disable the internal viewer.
Web browsers and various PDF plugins/internal viewers have been causing problems with using PDFs going back to the Netscape/IE days. For a while I gave up fighting them and always zipped up PDFs to force people to download them, but that causes its own problems. :(
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So if I understand well this means:
One or many desktops
Windows on each desktopChanges to:
Single desktop
One or many Tabs
Windows on each tabMain issue of mine for virtual desktops is popup windows or notifications appearing on unpredictable places (current desktop, so they scatter through all them or same desktop and you don't notice if you aren't there). Doesn't seem too much of a change except maybe handling this better although with tabs cropping somewhere along windows title bars workspace may diminish.
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@haloquadratum I don't think virtual desktops are going away. Tabbed windows are just being thrown into the mix of tools available to you.
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