Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!
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@adie said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
I remember when the government tried to do something similar in my country (Poland) called "ACTA".
People went insaneHow much of that was genuine concern and how much of that was "they're taking away our torrents" is up for debate.
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@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
'liberal' doesn't mean 'people I don't like'
The most interesting demonstration of correlation is not causality that I've seen all day!
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@boomzilla said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
'liberal' doesn't mean 'people I don't like'
The most interesting demonstration of correlation is not causality that I've seen all day!
This is exactly why I say that "American liberals" are the new Puritans.
He's relating it to conservative behavior because of how conservatives behaved in the 60s.
Now it's the progressives that want to police culture.
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
It's like Cyber, but the British version. We've got to get very good with Digital!
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Now it's the progressives that want to police culture.
Conservatives also want to police culture. Everybody wants to police culture.
Or at least everyone who has the "busybody" gene, and there seems to be plenty of that to go around.
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@sumireko said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
It's like Cyber, but the British version. We've got to get very good with Digital!
I always think it's hilarious how he thinks his son knows everything about computers.
Trump suffers from the idiot effect, whereby if someone knows more than him on a particular subject, he cannot differentiate them from a genius in that subject.
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@pie_flavor said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@sumireko said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Matt Hancock MP
Minister for DigitalDigital what?
It's like Cyber, but the British version. We've got to get very good with Digital!
I always think it's hilarious how he thinks his son knows everything about computers.
Trump suffers from the idiot effect, whereby if someone knows more than him on a particular subject, he cannot differentiate them from a genius in that subject.
Barron Trump:
Presses F12
Edits Fox News article to say that DPRK is going to launch nukes in 24 hours
Trump: Cyber has been taken to a new level, we've got to really got tough on it now
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@sumireko said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Presses F12
TIL. I always use right-click Inspect.
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@pie_flavor said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@sumireko said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Presses F12
TIL. I always use right-click Inspect.
There's also Ctrl+Shift+I for sites that block or handle right click.
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@lb_ said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pie_flavor said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@sumireko said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Presses F12
TIL. I always use right-click Inspect.
There's also Ctrl+Shift+I for sites that block or handle right click.
Or Electron apps.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
He's relating it to conservative behavior because of how conservatives behaved in the 60s.
No, he's relating it to conservative behaviour because it's being done by the Conservative Party. The clue is in the name
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@lb_ said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@pie_flavor said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@sumireko said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Presses F12
TIL. I always use right-click Inspect.
There's also Ctrl+Shift+I for sites that block or handle right click.
They haven't quite figured out that if they send it to me, I have it, whether they use fancy tricks to hide it or not.
Don't tell them.
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@jaloopa said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
He's relating it to conservative behavior because of how conservatives behaved in the 60s.
No, he's relating it to conservative behaviour because it's being done by the Conservative Party. The clue is in the name
That's a strange name for a progressive party.
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@xaade there's nothing progressive about the Conservative party. Plenty that is regressive, though.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
That's a strange name for a progressive party.
they're not
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@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
That's a strange name for a progressive party.
they're not
Clearly they are, otherwise he wouldn't disagree with them
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@jaloopa said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@japonicus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
That's a strange name for a progressive party.
they're not
Clearly they are, otherwise he wouldn't disagree with them
It must have been because of the party swap.
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
It must have been because of the party swap.
I'll have to take your word for it; I've never been to that sort of party.
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@polygeekery said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Can't disagree. Witness the two Nailing It threads...
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@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@magus said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@xaade said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Progressives are not exactly and always liberals, but they tend to be in the US.
But in the US, conservatives are liberals.
:/
Whichever...
European liberals are (almost) American libertarians.
American liberals are progressives.
Conservatives support the "old ways" of doing things, which means that European conservatives support more government authority, because European countries have tyrannical roots, and American conservatives support less centralized government authority because the USA was founded to be representative by the common folk.
**This has been another minute of political definitions, by @djls45. Tune in next time for more sound bytes of information.**
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Overall, it makes me glad I sent an inch-thick stack of paper headed by a form "Demande d'acquisition de la nationalité française" to the prefecture a couple of months ago.(1)(2)
Interesting news. They sent it back to me because there were a few things they think I should have included:
- Two more identity-document photos in addition to the two that they asked for and I included.
- Originals of two documents that I included copies of. They are my marriage certificates and I'm a little wibbly about sending them off, but OK.
- Photocopies (scan-and-print will have to do) of my passport. Question: the whole thing or just the interesting pages?
- Photocopies of my identity document. That will be interesting, since I don't have one separately from my passport.
Sigh.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Photocopies (scan-and-print will have to do) of my passport. Question: the whole thing or just the interesting pages?
Whichever of the two you think they’re not asking for, of course.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Interesting news. They sent it back to me because there were a few things they think I should have included:
It's a test, if you can't navigate that then you're not worthy of the nationality ;-)
- Two more identity-document photos in addition to the two that they asked for and I included.
I've never understood what they do with all these pictures. Probably burn them (with the rest of the papers) to heat the buildings, that saves them a few penny in heating bill? It's even funnier when they ask you for photos, and then when you come in person they take a new one with a camera (I think that's what happened when I renewed my passport).
- Originals of two documents that I included copies of. They are my marriage certificates and I'm a little wibbly about sending them off, but OK.
Mmm, if it's like birth/death certificates, you can get as many as you want by just asking the mairie of where you were married (hmmm... or maybe it's the one where you were born since this is where "etat civil" entries about you are kept, but since obviously you weren't born in France this won't work... I hope for you that the one where you were married works... and that you were married in France, of course!). You get a couple of those automatically when you marry because many administrations need them so they know you'll need a few, but they're no more "original" than that (and this is also why the administration asks you to send them "originals", since they're easy to get).
Which begs the question, if it's so easy to obtain (and by asking mairies that are official government services!), why do you need to get it yourself rather than letting the administration request it for you? One more mystery of the administration...
- Photocopies (scan-and-print will have to do) of my passport. Question: the whole thing or just the interesting pages?
Probably just the page with your photo, name etc. Usually they just want proof of your nationality, they don't care about where you've travelled in the past. Although with nationalisation requests, maybe this is different.
- Photocopies of my identity document. That will be interesting, since I don't have one separately from my passport.
Do you have a driving license? If it's a French one, then it is an identity document. If not... I don't know, you can still try. Otherwise, just send them another copy of the passport. Yes, they will already have one with the point above. No, they probably cannot reuse that same copy for this point. Yes, it's stupid and they will throw everything away in any case. No, you can't avoid it.
Also, before they complain about it (and while I think that in theory this has been removed a few years ago), it might be worth getting those copies done at a mairie, so that they can be "certified authentic"...
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
- Originals of two documents that I included copies of. They are my marriage certificates and I'm a little wibbly about sending them off, but OK.
Mmm, if it's like birth/death certificates, you can get as many as you want by just asking the mairie of where you were married (hmmm... or maybe it's the one where you were born since this is where "etat civil" entries about you are kept, but since obviously you weren't born in France this won't work... I hope for you that the one where you were married works... and that you were married in France, of course!). You get a couple of those automatically when you marry because many administrations need them so they know you'll need a few, but they're no more "original" than that (and this is also why the administration asks you to send them "originals", since they're easy to get).
Yes but no. Neither marriage was in France, nor was I born in France (as you rightly noted). One was in the US (Franklin, MA) in 1989, and I have no confidence of being able to easily get a replacement, especially not rapidly, if the naturalisation people lose it. The other was in Oxford, UK in 2001, and that would be easier to get a replacement, although again, not rapidly.
It's another case of the French administration not really understanding that paperwork in other countries doesn't work the same way as in France. Like trying to get a Carte Vitale for my wife. She had changed her name legally in Britain, and I could not persuade the Assurance Maladie / Sécurité Sociale people that I was not going to be able to provide an "acte de naissance rectifié", that is, one corrected for the name change. UK and US birth certificated don't work like that. They can be corrected for administrative errors (e.g. the registrar spelled the name wrong), but not for anything at all after that.
Curiously, I didn't ostensibly need to provide them at all, in theory, since I'm a widower (an acte de décès is required, but I have ten copies of that from the mairie of the commune in France where she died), except that the form asks for details of previous marriages and you have to provide supporting documents including certificates of marriage.
Oh, and regarding your point about them throwing everything away. Thanks for mentioning that. It hadn't occurred to me that they would consider just throwing away originals of this kind of document. There will have to be a strongly worded letter insisting on those marriage certificates being returned au plus vite possible.
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
It's another case of the French administration not really understanding that paperwork in other countries doesn't work the same way as in France.
To be fair, I'm not sure how much of that is true for all administrations everywhere. Still, for the department in charge of naturalisations, they must be used to seeing foreign stuff!
My wife was born in the UK, but she also happens to be French so her birth was recorded in France as well. Except that the French embassy used a different city name (probably something like the hospital where she was born vs. her parent's home). So every time she has to provide an original (UK) birth certificate to a French administration, we wonder if they'll see that discrepancy and complain about it. They've never done so yet, which I guess is because they don't even bother reading the documents that are being sent, after a cursory glance to verify that it ticks the box in their list.
There will have to be a strongly worded letter insisting on those marriage certificates being returned au plus vite possible.
Yeah, good luck with that. I mean, it might work. But being (probably) not in their standard procedures, it's a shot in the dark.
I've read fun stories of administrations writing to someone to complain that their file was missing... the address of the person!
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@steve_the_cynic said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
UK and US birth certificated don't work like that. They can be corrected for administrative errors (e.g. the registrar spelled the name wrong), but not for anything at all after that.
It is my understanding that in some jurisdictions they can be "corrected" for .
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
if it's so easy to obtain (and by asking mairies that are official government services!), why do you need to get it yourself rather than letting the administration request it for you?
I would guess the reasons are privacy and/or measures to counter fraud/identity theft.
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@gurth said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
if it's so easy to obtain (and by asking mairies that are official government services!), why do you need to get it yourself rather than letting the administration request it for you?
I would guess the reasons are privacy and/or measures to counter fraud/identity theft.
I believe the true reason is inertia. A long time ago, knowing where someone was born, and thus where to ask for that certificate, was not so easy. And even if you knew, the administration would have had to write to that mairie and wait for the answer, whereas most people lived closed to their birth place and could easily get there and ask for it directly. So at that time, it made sense to ask people to provide it themselves.
And since then, things haven't changed because things don't change in an administration, so even if it's no longer relevant, they still ask you to do it...
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Do you have a driving license? If it's a
FrenchEU one, then it is an identity document.Driving licenses where mutually recognized within the union. As long as it is issued by a member state it should be accepted as if it was a local one.
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@luhmann said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Do you have a driving license? If it's a
FrenchEU one, then it is an identity document.Driving licenses where mutually recognized within the union. As long as it is issued by a member state it should be accepted as if it was a local one.
Well, they would be accepted as driving licenses. Not sure whether they would be accepted as identity documents, given that not all countries have the same idea of what that means? More to the point, convincing a French administration that this is true might be... less than obvious, let's say.
Talking of identity documents reminds me that France recently decided to extend the validity period of its ID cards. But rather than simply saying "new ones are valid longer, old ones are still valid until the printed date" (probably because of some misplaced French idea of equality because, you know, people who renewed their card just before the change would not be treated exactly like the one who renewed after it...), they decided that it would apply to all cards currently in circulation. So now you have an ID card on which the date says it's no longer valid, but actually it still is. Wonderful. I guess that it kind of works from French administrations since they are aware of the the rule, but they also expect e.g. all customs officials of all EU countries (and more) to be aware of it, since an ID card can be used to travel across Europe. Yeah, good luck explaining that when landing in a foreign airport... "I swear officer, my card is out-of-date but actually it's still valid!"
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@remi said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
identity documents,
Belgian IDs and Driver license don't mention your address information in writing on the card. That is only included on the chip. This apparently can cause confusion when stopped in other countries.
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@luhmann heh. "Specimen Card"
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@luhmann said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Belgian IDs and Driver license don't mention your address information in writing on the card. That is only included on the chip. This apparently can cause confusion when stopped in other countries.
Funny story that caused me some inconvenience at the time: I was trying to get a hotel room in the US, but the receptionist refused to accept my passport as valid ID. He wanted to see a driver’s license, which was kind of difficult since I didn’t have one — not just “didn’t have one on me” but “didn’t (and don’t) have one at all." I only got the room when an American friend of mine asked if it was okay if he showed them his driver’s license.
We were a bit puzzled about that at first, but then figured out later that it must have been because there was no address in my passport but there was on his driver’s license. They probably wanted to see that to have confirmation of an address to send the bill to in case I left without paying, I suppose.
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@gurth The only official document I have including an address is my car's registration. Which I probably wouldn't take along if I ever had to go to the US.
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@pie_flavor said in Making Britain the safest place online in the whole multi-universe!!:
Or Electron apps.
it's open-source!