Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?
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About six months ago, a window displaying every upvote and downvote for a post was made available to non-mods (see here and here) and was eventually disabled because some people didn't agree with downvotes being public.
I'm wondering if it's possible to have the same window without the downvotes so that we can see every upvote that a post has? If not, I'd like to suggest this as a feature.
Edit: This has been added in this NodeBB update. Thanks @ben_lubar.
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Lookie I made a issue!
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@choonster said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
so that we can see every upvote that a post has?
I already can see. All of my popular posts are voted on by a few people, and one of the following users:
- And 4 Others
- And 5 Others
- And 6 Others
- And 7 Others
etc
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@lorne-kates said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
- And 4 Others
- And 5 Others
- And 6 Others
- And 7 Others
The current popup is crap. Either you show all upvoters, or you show none, but there is no point in showing a few (in what looks like a random order... is the first ones? last ones? alphabetical order? who knows?) but not all.
Personally, I'd say show all upvotes. As for downvotes... at least show their number in the popup, so you don't have to do the maths to see that there were some downvotes?
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@remi you could just not give a shit about fantasy internetpointzzz.
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@blakeyrat Actually, this is pretty much what I do. I personally never upvote or downvote, 'cause I just don't care.
But since we have this information, let's show it in a meaningful way, not the half-assed one that we currently have.
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@remi I have an alternative plan:
- Don't have the information
- Don't show it to anybody
- Gamification is fucking stupid
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@blakeyrat Works for me. Not sure you'll convince a lot of other people, though.
Either way, don't keep the current system.
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@remi said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
Actually, this is pretty much what I do. I personally never upvote or downvote, 'cause I just don't care.
I upvote to track where I am in a thread. It's easy to know where to scroll back to if I've been jellypotatoed elsewhere...
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@tsaukpaetra I like that. Using something that is not very useful to work around bug in the software.
Next you just need to have a custom user setting for the label to put on "upvotes" (you would yourself set it to "read status" or somesuch), and then we can start bike-shedding this user setting and how it should affect notifications and what not and not focussing on the real problems!
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@remi said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
a few (in what looks like a random order... is the first ones? last ones? alphabetical order? who knows?)
In the order they were given.
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@anotherusername said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
In the order they were given.
But do you see the first ones or the last ones?
(and that's only a question for my own curiosity -- as a user, I believe this is a useless selection, first because there is no easy way to know that this is how they are picked, and second because who cares that A was faster than B to upvote a post??)
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@remi you see the first 5-6 in the order they were given. The placement of "others" corresponds to where the group of others occurs in that order.
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@remi said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
who cares that A was faster than B to upvote a post??
Go check the likes topic. :P
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@tsaukpaetra said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
I upvote to track where I am in a thread. It's easy to know where to scroll back to if I've been jellypotatoed elsewhere...
I know that but I just like to believe over here that you like everything I say. ;)
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@anotherusername said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@remi you see the first 5-6 in the order they were given. The placement of "others" corresponds to where the group of others occurs in that order.
Uh? I don't understand the second part (about the others). They are necessarily occuring later (otherwise they would not be in the "others"), so they are necessarily at the end?
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Edit: 3 yr old post if anyone's actually interested.
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I have something ready for testing, but the database backup restore process is taking longer than expected, so it'll be later today or tomorrow that I actually get to test it.
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@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
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@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
If only there were a thing you could click on to Sort by ▼ the most votes.
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@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
If only there were a thing you could click on to Sort by ▼ the most votes.
It's not the same, there you sort by upvotes and the replies still show up below their parent posts.
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@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
If only there were a thing you could click on to Sort by ▼ the most votes.
It's not the same, there you sort by upvotes and the replies still show up below their parent posts.
Have you tried clicking on the thing that says the number of replies and looks like a button?
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@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
If only there were a thing you could click on to Sort by ▼ the most votes.
It's not the same, there you sort by upvotes and the replies still show up below their parent posts.
Have you tried clicking on the thing that says the number of replies and looks like a button?
Ok ok, you got me here, sometimes you do need a picture instead of just text.
WTF are you talking about?
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@tsaukpaetra said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
If only there were a thing you could click on to Sort by ▼ the most votes.
It's not the same, there you sort by upvotes and the replies still show up below their parent posts.
Have you tried clicking on the thing that says the number of replies and looks like a button?
Ok ok, you got me here, sometimes you do need a picture instead of just text.
WTF are you talking about?
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@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
looks like a button?
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@tsaukpaetra said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@wharrgarbl said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@blakeyrat reddit uses votes for sorting and hiding comments, and reading reddit comments is much better than your average internet comment section.
I agree that nodebb votes are useless the way they are here
If only there were a thing you could click on to Sort by ▼ the most votes.
It's not the same, there you sort by upvotes and the replies still show up below their parent posts.
Have you tried clicking on the thing that says the number of replies and looks like a button?
Ok ok, you got me here, sometimes you do need a picture instead of just text.
WTF are you talking about?
Could have fooled me...
These are buttons:
This is not a button:
At best, it might be considered a dropdown box. Maybe.
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@tsaukpaetra is the reply button a button? is the quote button a button? is the upvote button a button?
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@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@tsaukpaetra is the reply button a button? is the quote button a button? is the upvote button a button?
No. They're all links that have been styled in a particular way to be easier to hit on touch-enabled devices.
Well, at least, according to the HTML.
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https://i.imgur.com/CrlrAmV.png
https://i.imgur.com/I5RYMIX.png
I'm loving this new feature.
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@pie_flavor said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
https://i.imgur.com/CrlrAmV.png
https://i.imgur.com/I5RYMIX.png
I'm loving this new feature.Sometimes it's the simple things in life that eat the most happiness.
Surprised inspirobot hasn't generated that one yet...
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@pie_flavor said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
https://i.imgur.com/CrlrAmV.png
https://i.imgur.com/I5RYMIX.png
I'm loving this new feature.I thought that when this was discussed last time, there were a number of people opposed to the idea of showing the name of the downvoters?
Not that I care personally, and maybe I was mis-remembering the conclusions of that other discussion.
(edit: and of course, thanks to those who did some work to make things better!)
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@remi said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
showing the name of the downvoters?
They will be shown in their true nature ... as Boomzilla alts.
So non admin (and mods?) will find that Boomzilla is a massive asshole who downvotes every other post including his own
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@luhmann said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
They will be shown in their true nature ... as Boomzilla alts.
Including potentially many @boomzilla alts
Reading through this thread, I thought he was actually downvoting a load of posts for a while
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@luhmann said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
They will be shown in their true nature ... as Boomzilla alts.
Oh.
Well played, admins, well played.
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I feel it'd be more appropriate if the downboaters were all listed as @codlnghorror or maybe @end.
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@jaloopa said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
Reading through this thread, I thought he was actually downvoting a load of posts for a while
Muahahahaha!
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@boomzilla stop downvoting yourself!
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@jaloopa said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@boomzilla stop downvoting yourself!
I'm almost tempted to start downvoting all of @boomzilla's posts...
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@remi It doesn't look like that to him though >.> He has to be on his alt account
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@remi said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@anotherusername said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@remi you see the first 5-6 in the order they were given. The placement of "others" corresponds to where the group of others occurs in that order.
Uh? I don't understand the second part (about the others). They are necessarily occuring later (otherwise they would not be in the "others"), so they are necessarily at the end?
Well, it could've been "tail(5) and count - 5 others". But then it'd be transposing the tail of the list to the front.
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Maybe each user should have the option of whether to make their downvotes public? Probably too much effort, though.
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@anotherusername said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
Well, it could've been "tail(5) and count - 5 others". But then it'd be transposing the tail of the list to the front.
You've lost me. Or rather, what you say now makes sense, but I still don't get your previous statement of "The placement of "others" corresponds to where the group of others occurs in that order."
What does that mean? "others" are always after the names, no? Can you have anything else than "A, B, C, D, E and N others"? Is there any case where you can have "A, B, C, N others, D and E"??
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@pie_flavor said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
https://i.imgur.com/CrlrAmV.png
https://i.imgur.com/I5RYMIX.png
I'm loving this new feature.And no, it's not just @boomzilla and one of his other alts with the same avatar.
(bz is uid 14, so his avatar filename is14-profileimg.png
)edit: ... I feel like it'd make more sense if it was some other user, though. Maybe or .
edit edit: or just put icons instead of actual user icons, and not link to any real account.
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@remi what I meant was, if you said "V, W, X, Y, Z and N others", the "others" really came at the beginning the list, but you're mentioning them at the end of it.
If you took the whole list (still in the order that they were given) and collapsed count - 5 of the items from the head into an "N others" item, then it'd be "N others and V, W, X, Y, Z".
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@anotherusername Oh, I see. Thanks.
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@anotherusername said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
edit edit: or just put ??? icons instead of actual user icons, and not link to any real account.
That might be difficult, considering that the entire modification runs server-side:
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@ben_lubar said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
@anotherusername said in Is it possible to have public upvotes without public downvotes?:
edit edit: or just put ??? icons instead of actual user icons, and not link to any real account.
That might be difficult, considering that the entire modification runs server-side:
Why would that be difficult? Isn't the ??? graphic stored server-side as well? How hard would it be to simply put {number of downvotes} ??? images in instead of looking up @boomzilla's account? If his info is hard-coded in, then that would just make it that much easier to change the hard-coded image reference.
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@djls45 He's replacing UIDs on-the-fly, not changing image paths.
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@anotherusername Doesn't your CSS screenshot reveal the downvoters anyway?
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@RaceProUK
Ah, ok. I see that here, now. So if {someone} wants to change the image to be ??? instead of , then we'd need to create a new dummy account with that avatar.Not that anyone needs to do this. I'm just trying to figure out theoretically how difficult it would be to change. (I've been thinking of picking up javascript, so what better place to start than here.) I think it's funny that bz put his own id in for all downvotes. :D
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@djls45 I suggested using @end or @codlnghorror