What the fuck, Android
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So, now that I've fixed my Samsung phone, and have been using it-- after using an iPhone for a couple years-- well, the OS is good, but there's some things that are just... What the goddamn hell?
Android has no "undo" function. Accidentally hold the backspace key down for too long and wipe out all the text in the text box? Fuck you, too bad.
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@lorne-kates it's funny but to the best of my memory, if you a hardware keyboard, Ctrl-Z will totally work. The funny bit is that most screen keyboards for Android do not have a Ctrl key.
Hacker's keyboard does have it.
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@wft said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates it's funny but to the best of my memory, if you a hardware keyboard, Ctrl-Z will totally work. The funny bit is that most screen keyboards for Android do not have a Ctrl key.
Hacker's keyboard does have it.
can confirm. hardware kepyboard (incliding BT keyboards) as well as third party OSKs that have a CTRL key allow the use of the standard keyboard short cut for undo. If you have a programmable button (such as the Google Live case for pixel phones) you can program it to be an undo button too. :-)
and some apps also have a builtin button that exposes it as well, though as that is a UX element that's part of the app it's up to the app to provide that one, and most don't.
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Ios: unlock screen has 4 digit PIN. type 4 digits, DONE
Every other device and service in the entire world: 4 digit PIN
Android: well someone at some point might want a PIN more than 4 digits, so let's over-engineer this! We'll put an "enter" key on the lock screen UI-- but not give any indication what it is or what it does. So the first time someone uses lock screen they'll enter 4 digits, then sit there starting at the phone waiting for something to happen. And then, even after they discover how this shitty UI works, they'll still have to use an extra tap every time they unlock!
We'll inconvenience 99.9% of our users to cater to the one paranoid nut bag who needs a 5 digit PIN AND didn't know how to install a third party custom lock screen.
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...and I can confirm Ctrl+Z is indeed Undo.
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Huh. TIL. I've never had to undo typing on my phone, but I guess to some who hold down their backspace key (instead of selecting the mass amount of text you want and just tapping delete once) actually have a use case for it...
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@lorne-kates my iPhone has 6-digit PIN. No idea what I'm doing wrong.
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Also: the lock screen UI comes up long before the device is ready to respond to touch events, so half the time you enter the PIN and nothing happens, and you don't know if the Device is frozen, or has buffered the touch event, or ignored the touch event.
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@lorne-kates Toby faire you should be using pattern unlock instead of number anyway.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Ios: unlock screen has 4 digit PIN. type 4 digits, DONE
Every other device and service in the entire world: 4 digit PIN
Android: well someone at some point might want a PIN more than 4 digits, so let's over-engineer this! We'll put an "enter" key on the lock screen UI-- but not give any indication what it is or what it does. So the first time someone uses lock screen they'll enter 4 digits, then sit there starting at the phone waiting for something to happen. And then, even after they discover how this shitty UI works, they'll still have to use an extra tap every time they unlock!
We'll inconvenience 99.9% of our users to cater to the one paranoid nut bag who needs a 5 digit PIN AND didn't know how to install a third party custom lock screen.
Works fine on my phone.
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@tsaukpaetra said in What the fuck, Android:
(instead of selecting the mass amount of text you want and just tapping delete once
Fuck text selection on mobile. It took me forever just to select this text to quote. And fuck forbid you want to select more text than is on the screen... requiring you to hope t whatever implementation of "drag and scroll" the editor is using works.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
We'll inconvenience 99.9% of our users to cater to the one paranoid nut bag who needs a 5 digit PIN AND didn't know how to install a third party custom lock screen.
Since my PIN is also my encryption password, it has a lot more than 5 digits.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
@tsaukpaetra said in What the fuck, Android:
(instead of selecting the mass amount of text you want and just tapping delete once
Fuck text selection on mobile. It took me forever just to select this text to quote. And fuck forbid you want to select more text than is on the screen... requiring you to hope t whatever implementation of "drag and scroll" the editor is using works.
Cost benefit balance. Would it cost more to select text or re-type it?
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@wft said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates it's funny but to the best of my memory, if you a hardware keyboard, Ctrl-Z will totally work. The funny bit is that most screen keyboards for Android do not have a Ctrl key.
Hacker's keyboard does have it.
Swype does not have control key. So for undo to work, I need to carry around a physical keyboard to go with my mobile phone?
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
@wft said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates it's funny but to the best of my memory, if you a hardware keyboard, Ctrl-Z will totally work. The funny bit is that most screen keyboards for Android do not have a Ctrl key.
Hacker's keyboard does have it.
Swype does not have control key. So for undo to work, I need to carry around a physical keyboard to go with my mobile phone?
Read again:
@wft said in What the fuck, Android:
Hacker's keyboard does have it.
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@wft said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates my iPhone has 6-digit PIN. No idea what I'm doing wrong.
Using an iPhone, that's what you're doing wrong. BOOM!
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
@wft said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates my iPhone has 6-digit PIN. No idea what I'm doing wrong.
Using an iPhone, that's what you're doing wrong. BOOM!
Nobody's perfect. But it's in direct opposition to whatever you're spewering, so...
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@hungrier said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates Toby faire you should be using pattern unlock instead of number anyway.
Android "I don't know what numbered version it is because of their idiot candy naming convention" doesn't have pattern unlock
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@lorne-kates Every version has had it since 1.5 and I doubt either Google or Samsung has removed it since. I've got a Samsung tablet and it's right there in the lock screen options.
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@tsaukpaetra said in What the fuck, Android:
Works fine on my phone.
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What the shit... copy screenshot to clipboard, but can't paste to node bb? @ben_lubar
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@tsaukpaetra said in What the fuck, Android:
Hacker's keyboard does have it.
Yes,I read that. Which is why I said Swype doesn't have it... because I'm using Swype
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@lorne-kates
Are you connected to some kind of exchange server or something which might have disabled that option?
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
because I'm using Swype
TRWTF
Nobody uses Swype anymore…
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates
Are you connected to some kind of exchange server or something which might have disabled that option?No. I do have a vpn installed, which insisted on the pin. I normally just swipe to unlock
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
No. I do have a vpn installed, which insisted on the pin.
Then that's your problem.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
No. I do have a vpn installed
Ah, yeeah, those will go out of their way to say "OMG itz not securz!!!"
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
because I'm using Swype
TRWTF
Nobody uses Swype anymore…
Why not? It's great. I can enter text at a rate almost approaching a fraction of my typing rate. (As opposed to touch screen typing, which is effectively zero words per minute, rounded up)
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Android "I don't know what numbered version it is because of their idiot candy naming convention"
You can easily look that up in your system settings, BTW. On normal ROMs, it's in the last category in the system settings. No idea where you can find it in that stupid, unnecessarily complicated SAMSUNG settings app, though.
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
No. I do have a vpn installed, which insisted on the pin.
Then that's your problem.
Yes, but that didn't absolve android of it's shitty PIN UI
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Why not? It's great. I can enter text at a rate almost approaching a fraction of my typing rate.
The standard Gboard supports glide typing as well.
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@asdf As does SwiftKey and Minuum as I recall.
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Also, for the Undo "problem" you could try
But it doesn't work with Chrome windows (yet) because apparently Chrome is Special™.
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Why not? It's great. I can enter text at a rate almost approaching a fraction of my typing rate.
The standard Gboard supports gesture typing as well.
Android Edible Anal Beads (or whatever version I have) has Swype on by default and... uh... SwiftKey Flow on Samsung Keyboard as another option.
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I am entering this with swift key. The layout is different, but I'll try it.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Android Edible Anal Beads (or whatever version I have) has Swype on by default
Because of course SAMSUNG cannot simply use the default, they have to install a different app, even if it doesn't make any sense whatsoever .
As soon as SAMSUNG stops releasing updates for your phone anyway, you should unlock it and get rid of that shitty ROM.
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@asdf The default Samsung keyboard (at least on the Galaxy S4 and Tab S) is their own keyboard, and it's pretty shitty. And yeah, they do come preinstalled with Swipe.
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Android Edible Anal Beads (or whatever version I have) has Swype on by default
Because of course SAMSUNG cannot simply use the default, they have to install a different app, even if it doesn't make any sense whatsoever .
As soon as SAMSUNG stops releasing updates for your phone anyway, you should unlock it and get rid of that shitty ROM.
It is unlocked and rooted, with a custom version of the stock OS. No one has cyanogen mod or whatever for this model.
Not liking this keyboard a ton. You have to have predictive text to use swipe. Fuck auto correct
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
As soon as SAMSUNG stops releasing updates for your phone anyway
They release updates? Huh, TIL...
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@tsaukpaetra said in What the fuck, Android:
@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
As soon as SAMSUNG stops releasing updates for your phone anyway
They release updates? Huh, TIL...
I was just saying that as a precaution, since OTA security updates (if they happen) are a good reason to stay on the vendor ROM.
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@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
@tsaukpaetra said in What the fuck, Android:
@asdf said in What the fuck, Android:
I was just saying that as a precaution, sinceThis model is a few years old, and there's been no ota updates. Also I'm not on a carrier plan so no updates. Also I'm in Canada so we probably don't get updates anyways.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Android:Samsung: well someone at some point might want a PIN more than 4 digits, so let's over-engineer this! We'll put an "enter" key on the lock screen UI-- but not give any indication what it is or what it does. So the first time someone uses lock screen they'll enter 4 digits, then sit there starting at the phone waiting for something to happen. And then, even after they discover how this shitty UI works, they'll still have to use an extra tap every time they unlock!FTFY
Don't compare them to the rest of us!
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@sloosecannon said in What the fuck, Android:
Don't compare them to the rest of us!
I absolutely guarantee you that there ain't a single consumer who knows any dam thing about this brand of android vs. that brand. Doesn't help that android had done nothing to help distinguish "good version" from "janky Chinese knock off on an embedded 286"... and it really doesn't help that android created a market where that segmentation can even possibly exist.
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@lorne-kates +1
But also, how did /you/ see Samsung + software and think it could possibly be any good
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@bb36e said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates +1
But also, how did /you/ see Samsung + software and think it could possibly be any good
I bought the phone at the tail end of my "Samsung seems pretty good" phase. I've learned since.
Tobe Faire, they are still the only ones who make a phone with physical home and back buttons.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
physical home and back buttons.
Which is yet another reason not to buy Samsung...
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@sloosecannon said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
physical home and back buttons.
Which is yet another reason not to buy Samsung...
IMHO If they can have hardware buttons without sacrificing screen estate, I'd take it. It's extremely annoying to be typing and just barely get too far down and end up hitting the Home capacitive button and have to trudge back into the app.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
I absolutely guarantee you that there ain't a single consumer who knows any dam thing about this brand of android vs. that brand.
The clones by and large use virtually stock Android. Cheaper than doing lots of development to make their own versions of everything.
And yes, my lock screen doesn't need me to press enter; as soon as the fourth correct digit goes in, it unlocks. Now, I choose to use a PIN since that makes it less likely to unlock accidentally in my pocket, and passwords are awful to type on a mobile keyboard. (Had that once on a system where the Exchange integration insisted on passwords, and where the password required had to involve letters in two cases, digits, and symbols. With a minimum length of 12. After about half a day, I removed the Exchange integration and linked my email over IMAP which at least works without ruining my life.)
In any case, stock Android is pretty good provided the hardware isn't total shit. That $50 phone? Crap, powered by flowing treacle and probably without any storage. Spend $150-200? Should be able to get something reasonable that'll do a few years with minimal trouble.
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@hungrier said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates Toby faire you should be using pattern unlock instead of number anyway.
Yeah, no.
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@lorne-kates said in What the fuck, Android:
Tobe Faire, they are still the only ones who make a phone with physical home and back buttons.
Not anymore.
BTW: I really like what Motorola did in its latest models. You can disable the on-screen buttons and use fingerprint reader gestures instead.
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@pjh said in What the fuck, Android:
@hungrier said in What the fuck, Android:
@lorne-kates Toby faire you should be using pattern unlock instead of number anyway.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, human hand is pretty oily.