Net neutrality non-neutrality
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@Gribnit said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
@pie_flavor Like telecommunications vs information services? Which one do you think your ISP is? I mean, they install some physical plant and all. Does Netflix install any physical plant?
It's going to be really hard to regulate a self-flying car with the same laws you use to regulate a horse and cart.
"The wheels need to have x number of spokes, and a forward facing lantern. It can be allowed to shit up to 3 times a day." Hmm....
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@Zerosquare wow weird I remember hearing about something like that 3 years ago.
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@Zerosquare said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
All comments are fake. Public comment requirements are stupid.
Like for example
The investigation found that nearly 18 million of the more than 22 million public comments that the FCC received both for and against net neutrality were fake.
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New York's investigation also found the FCC received... 9.3 million fake comments supporting net neutrality that used fictitious identities.
Over 80% of the comments submitted over Net Neutrality were fake. The pro-Net Neutrality side submitted slightly more and the anti-Net Neutrality side submitted slightly less, but it's a rounding error and basically 50-50.
The investigation, the fines, and the headline all go to one side over the other. (In what world is that OK?) But in reality both sides rig every public comment period because every public comment period is stupid.
Also, this is a federal regulation. New York State has nothing to do with this. How did the attorney general of New York get jurisdiction over this?
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@GuyWhoKilledBear wow, someone has loyalty to Ajit Pai. amazing.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
How did the attorney general of New York get jurisdiction over this?
The same way the CDC had authority to impose a nationwide eviction moratorium. (Narrator: They don't, but people are retards and let them do it anyway.)
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@Gribnit said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
@GuyWhoKilledBear wow, someone has loyalty to Ajit Pai. amazing.
Who is it?
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@TimeBandit said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
If you read the article, it looks like the rise in prices is mostly tied to people switching to faster data tiers so they can take advantage of streaming video and stuff like that. Even according to this article, the price per MB is cheaper than it was before Pai became the chairman.
The Ars Technica guy is quoting a pressure group that looks at the total number that comes after the dollar sign, but not how much internet you're buying for that money. That serves the pressure group's interest because the pressure group wants the government to sell crippled internet for cheaper.
But the Ars Technica guy doesn't care because he assumes you're not going to read past the headline.
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@GuyWhoKilledBear said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
@TimeBandit said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
If you read the article, it looks like the rise in prices is mostly tied to people switching to faster data tiers so they can take advantage of streaming video and stuff like that. Even according to this article, the price per MB is cheaper than it was before Pai became the chairman.
The Ars Technica guy is quoting a pressure group that looks at the total number that comes after the dollar sign, but not how much internet you're buying for that money. That serves the pressure group's interest because the pressure group wants the government to sell crippled internet for cheaper.
But the Ars Technica guy doesn't care because he assumes you're not going to read past the headline.
Keep sucking, you'll get it started eventually.
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South Korea rejects
ISP subsidies to bandwidth hogsnetwork neutrality:
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@izzion neato! Does this example apply well to the US? The points of the decision would want examination, as the legal systems differ and the cultural background differs even more. Asian systems tend to weigh the common good over the individual - the enemy of your enemy is an unknown quantity aside from negative association.
However, this opinion is valued more highly than that of Best Korea.
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@Gribnit said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
Does this example apply well to the US?
No. The example might not even apply to South Korea (though they presumptively do); it's only a mid-level court decision and may well be appealed to a higher court. About all you can really say is that in that case the onus is now on Netflix to show that they shouldn't pay fees (or withdraw from the market entirely).
The arguments used in the case and the details of the decision might be relevant elsewhere, but that isn't guaranteed at all. That'd all be on the basis of “here's some sensible arguments in a case that looks similar that the lawyers and judge could take notice of” but that's all at a level that all courts (other than those directly subordinate) can just ignore.
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@izzion said in Net neutrality non-neutrality:
South Korea rejects
ISP subsidies to bandwidth hogsnetwork neutrality:TIL: OTT. But had no idea what it meant from TFA. Had to look it up.
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@Zerosquare we must take to the streets! I just send my ISP some extra money to cover them needing to oversell / underprovision less already.
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I guess that Netflix was right about what happens when ISPs can charge tolls for high traffic usage
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