The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®
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I think Kris Straub is on to something with this:
http://chainsawsuit.com/comic/2018/02/13/bitcoin-innovations/imagine the slogan: “go to bed… and wake up a millionaire”
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@jbert said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
http://wumo.com/wumo/2018/02/06
One word: Szasz.
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I think these guys deserve the Nobel peace prize:
http://wumo.com/wumo/2018/02/16
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@jbert A shitty thing plus a good thing, with no combinatorial attributes, is not a better thing, but a mediocre thing.
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@masonwheeler Maybe he's referring to this book?
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Mental-Illness-Foundations-Personal/dp/0061771228
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@antiquarian said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@masonwheeler Maybe he's referring to this book?
https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Mental-Illness-Foundations-Personal/dp/0061771228
Good grief, what a moron.
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Goddamnit @tsaukpaetra.
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@antiquarian Sorry, but anyone who thinks that some people shouldn't be treated against their will might want to talk to the widow whose son caved in his step-father's skull with an axe because he was hearing voices.
They also weren't able to get him committed before because "treatment has to be voluntary."
Strangely enough, now he's locked away.
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@antiquarian Sorry, but anyone who thinks that some people shouldn't be treated against their will might want to talk to the widow whose son caved in his step-father's skull with an axe because he was hearing voices.
They also weren't able to get him committed before because "treatment has to be voluntary."
Strangely enough, now he's locked away.
There are far more accurate predictors of violence than hearing voices. I doubt that there's any statistical correlation between hearing voices and violence. It's just that it makes the news when it happens.
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@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@antiquarian Sorry, but anyone who thinks that some people shouldn't be treated against their will might want to talk to the widow whose son caved in his step-father's skull with an axe because he was hearing voices.
They also weren't able to get him committed before because "treatment has to be voluntary."
Strangely enough, now he's locked away.
There are far more accurate predictors of violence than hearing voices. I doubt that there's any statistical correlation between hearing voices and violence. It's just that it makes the news when it happens.
For instance, I hear voices all the time. Each post I read tends to join the rendering queue in fact, though y'alls voices tend to change by the second, unless I have a profile saved...
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@Rhywden That deserves capital punishment, not psychiatric "treatment." I think I agree with Szasz on psychiatry (though not necessarily with everything he said; I'm only going from a skim of the Wikipedia article on him). If it's not determinable from the physical state, then it's not a "disease"; it's a behavior problem, and the person "suffering" from it needs counseling to learn better self-control, not drugs to regulate his mentality. I don't think a psychiatrist should be able to prescribe drugs unless he is also a doctor of psychology and has diagnosed the physical malady affecting the patient. I also think pleas of insanity in most criminal cases are waaaay suspicious, especially if the claim was that the crime was committed during a "bout" of insanity. It's almost exactly the titular situation of Catch-22, except that it excuses the actions instead of requiring them.
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@antiquarian Sorry, but anyone who thinks that some people shouldn't be treated against their will might want to talk to the widow whose son caved in his step-father's skull with an axe because he was hearing voices.
They also weren't able to get him committed before because "treatment has to be voluntary."
Strangely enough, now he's locked away.
I haven't read the book, but from the description alone, I think you've taken the clickbait title too literally. I don't think they're saying mental illness is a myth, rather that it is being overdiagnosed. There's a difference between mental illness and bad habits people refuse to (or don't realize they can) break. Also it's pretty well known that Freud was wrong about nearly everything he said, so it's pretty normal to see the book say that as well.
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@lb_ said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@antiquarian Sorry, but anyone who thinks that some people shouldn't be treated against their will might want to talk to the widow whose son caved in his step-father's skull with an axe because he was hearing voices.
They also weren't able to get him committed before because "treatment has to be voluntary."
Strangely enough, now he's locked away.
I haven't read the book, but from the description alone, I think you've taken the clickbait title too literally. I don't think they're saying mental illness is a myth, rather that it is being overdiagnosed. There's a difference between mental illness and bad habits people refuse to (or don't realize they can) break. Also it's pretty well known that Freud was wrong about nearly everything he said, so it's pretty normal to see the book say that as well.
No, I didn't take the clickbait too seriously. Szasz is a libertarian. He took some valid critique and promptly veered off in the complete opposite extreme.
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@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@antiquarian Sorry, but anyone who thinks that some people shouldn't be treated against their will might want to talk to the widow whose son caved in his step-father's skull with an axe because he was hearing voices.
They also weren't able to get him committed before because "treatment has to be voluntary."
Strangely enough, now he's locked away.
There are far more accurate predictors of violence than hearing voices. I doubt that there's any statistical correlation between hearing voices and violence. It's just that it makes the news when it happens.
I didn't include the whole story. He was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. Let's just say that just about everyone who knew him saw that coming.
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@djls45 said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@Rhywden That deserves capital punishment, not psychiatric "treatment."
It could have been prevented. That is what I'm saying. Did you ever work in a closed mental institution?
A good friend of mine does. Some of those people in there you do not want on the streets, unsupervised and unmedicated.
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@djls45 said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@Rhywden That deserves capital punishment, not psychiatric "treatment."
It could have been prevented. That is what I'm saying. Did you ever work in a closed mental institution?
A good friend of mine does. Some of those people in there you do not want on the streets, unsupervised and unmedicated.
I worked on the locked psych ward of a hospital for a couple of years. I also worked for three years in the criminal justice system, first as a correctional officer in a maximum security prison, then as an addictions counselor on a pre-release unit. Many of the prisoners I would not want to see on the streets, either. But yet, they have not lost their rights apart from sentencing for crimes. People with "mental illness" are no different.
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@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@djls45 said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@Rhywden That deserves capital punishment, not psychiatric "treatment."
It could have been prevented. That is what I'm saying. Did you ever work in a closed mental institution?
A good friend of mine does. Some of those people in there you do not want on the streets, unsupervised and unmedicated.
I worked on the locked psych ward of a hospital for a couple of years. I also worked for three years in the criminal justice system, first as a correctional officer in a maximum security prison, then as an addictions counselor on a pre-release unit. Many of the prisoners I would not want to see on the streets, either. But yet, they have not lost their rights apart from sentencing for crimes. People with "mental illness" are no different.
So, let me be frank: Even an obviously dangerous person cannot be committed in your eyes?
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@chozang This will vary per country, but in NL it is possible for a judge to convict someone to be treated for their mental disorder. But in order for that to happen, they have to have committed a serious crime first.
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@djls45 said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@Rhywden That deserves capital punishment, not psychiatric "treatment."
It could have been prevented. That is what I'm saying. Did you ever work in a closed mental institution?
A good friend of mine does. Some of those people in there you do not want on the streets, unsupervised and unmedicated.
I worked on the locked psych ward of a hospital for a couple of years. I also worked for three years in the criminal justice system, first as a correctional officer in a maximum security prison, then as an addictions counselor on a pre-release unit. Many of the prisoners I would not want to see on the streets, either. But yet, they have not lost their rights apart from sentencing for crimes. People with "mental illness" are no different.
So, let me be frank: Even an obviously dangerous person cannot be committed in your eyes?
Cannot or should not?
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@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@djls45 said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@Rhywden That deserves capital punishment, not psychiatric "treatment."
It could have been prevented. That is what I'm saying. Did you ever work in a closed mental institution?
A good friend of mine does. Some of those people in there you do not want on the streets, unsupervised and unmedicated.
I worked on the locked psych ward of a hospital for a couple of years. I also worked for three years in the criminal justice system, first as a correctional officer in a maximum security prison, then as an addictions counselor on a pre-release unit. Many of the prisoners I would not want to see on the streets, either. But yet, they have not lost their rights apart from sentencing for crimes. People with "mental illness" are no different.
So, let me be frank: Even an obviously dangerous person cannot be committed in your eyes?
Cannot or should not?
Answer the question.
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@pleegwat said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@chozang This will vary per country, but in NL it is possible for a judge to convict someone to be treated for their mental disorder. But in order for that to happen, they have to have committed a serious crime first.
And that's a problem. Some conditions are so serious that it's a question of "when" not "if". As in the case I described.
I mean, personal freedom is all nice and well. But, as the widow puts it, her dead husband has now precisely zero personal freedom.
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@rhywden That's not really something that comes up a lot though. I recall once case a couple of years ago with a mall shooting, but there the question was why the guy with the known disorder had a gun license.
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@pleegwat said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden That's not really something that comes up a lot though. I recall once case a couple of years ago with a mall shooting, but there the question was why the guy with the known disorder had a gun license.
At which point is it "often" enough to be a problem? Let's also not forget the potential for self-harm and suicide.
Again, free will is all nice and well. But how much free will do the really serious cases actually have?
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
But how much free will do
the really serious caseses anyone actually have?FTFI
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
So, let me be frank: Even an obviously dangerous person cannot be committed in your eyes?
chozang replied: Cannot or should not?
rhywden replied: Answer the question.If you can't understand my question, then I will have to answer yours as you stated, which was almost certainly not what you intended to ask. An obviously dangerous person can be committed (in some circumstances) in my eyes, and certainly in anyone else's eyes who understands the law.
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Very, very vaguely related to the school talk in the other thread:
Update: it does not make that much sense without the rest of the arc, so here goes (most of it):
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@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@chozang said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
So, let me be frank: Even an obviously dangerous person cannot be committed in your eyes?
chozang replied: Cannot or should not?
rhywden replied: Answer the question.If you can't understand my question, then I will have to answer yours as you stated, which was almost certainly not what you intended to ask. An obviously dangerous person can be committed (in some circumstances) in my eyes, and certainly in anyone else's eyes who understands the law.
I understand you're practicing sophistry here. You know perfectly well what I'm asking, you're just answering on the level of a dad joke.
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@rhywden said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
No, I didn't take the clickbait too seriously. Szasz is a libertarian. He took some valid critique and promptly veered off in the complete opposite extreme.
Not that you'd know anything about that sort of thing.
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Jealousy knows no bounds:
http://wumo.com/wumo/2018/03/01
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@pie_flavor The sequel:
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@ben_lubar Oglaf's great.
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@pie_flavor said in The Unofficial Funny Comic Strips Thread®:
@ben_lubar Oglaf's great.
Most of it can't be posted outside of that one lounge thread, though.
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Ooh, a new one!
Remember to tell your kids that tattoos stick around: