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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
Fahrenheit...Good system.
Yes, it's excellent.
Of course, "the boiling point of water" is not really a fixed target to begin with since it's so dependent on atmospheric pressure. However, the Fahrenheit scale is nice for weather and indoor temperature related uses, which is how I mostly use it.
How hot is it today?
High eighties.Very useful.
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@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
Fahrenheit...Good system.
Yes, it's excellent.
Of course, "the boiling point of water" is not really a fixed target to begin with since it's so dependent on atmospheric pressure. However, the Fahrenheit scale is nice for weather and indoor temperature related uses, which is how I mostly use it.
How hot is it today?
High eighties.Very useful.
Yeah, saying 80s or 90s or 50s is great for that sort of thing! The exact number will typically change during the day anyways, so you don't need to be super precise. A decade gets you in the ballpark quite nicely.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
The exact number will typically change during the day anyways, so you don't need to be super precise.
Canadian version:
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@Zerosquare said in Internet of shit:
But why would you use an existing, working and convenient solution when you can create a shiny new and broken one?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
@dkf said in Internet of shit:
@HardwareGeek Hot-for-Canadian-weather = above 0℉?
We use Celcius, so above -17
Fun fact time!
Why does Fahrenheit go from 32 - 212 for the freezing point and boiling point of water?
The summed up version: Mr. Fahrenheit had a hardon for the whole "360 degree" thing that geometry had. If it had existed, he would have written flash-fic between him and the abstract concept of sine waves.
He wanted his system to be the same-- so that you can mark important points of the system on a circle at significant places just by dividing up the circle. ie: at the 90 degree point.
(This is why they're called degrees)
So he started with the most obvious, well-known and widely used touchpoint: the freezing point of brine. For nautical folks, that's WAY more important than the freezing point of pure water. He slapped "0 degrees" on that. Then he set about trying to make other touchpoints land on nice round parts of the circle. Freezing point of water. Average human body temperature. Boiling point of water (under standard atmosphere).
He couldn't, because these touchpoints aren't actually related in any natural geometric way. So he kept 0 degrees where it was. He found that water froze at 32. So he added 180 to 32 and got 212f as the boiling point of water.
Good system.
Who cares why it is what it is? With Fahrenheit, 0-100 is 'fucking cold' to 'fucking hot'. With Celsius, 0-100 is 'reasonably cold' to 'you are molten'. Which one is a better measuring system for human comfort? Obviously Fahrenheit.
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@pie_flavor said in Internet of shit:
With Celsius, 0-100 is 'reasonably cold' to 'you are molten'
0 : Water is frozen
100 : Water is vaporWhich one is a better measuring system for human comfort?
Obviously, you get use to any scale
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
Yeah, saying 80s or 90s or 50s is great for that sort of thing!
And in Celsius you can say "28°" to convey the same level of precision. Much more efficient use of the number space!
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@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
So he added 180 to 32 and got 212f as the boiling point of water.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
@PleegWat said in Internet of shit:
Very useful.
I was high in the eighties
Damn it, you're old.
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Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
You're used to it, fine. That doesn't make you less retarded.
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By the way:
≤0°C: careful on the road, cold
5°C: coldish, wear warm clothes
10°C: chilly
15°C: pleasant
20°C: best weather ever
25°C: short sleeves, go to the beach
≥30°C: uncomfortable, then horrible
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
whatever temperature careful on the road
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[...] very few people use their headlights because, you know, you wear 'em out. You'd just have to buy another one. So I stopped when I saw one headlamp coming towards me. And I said, "Look I don't know if that's a scooter, or it's a truck with one failed headlamp".
And my cousin stopped for a second and said, "Or 2 scooters transporting a wardrobe!"-- Sanjeev Bhaskar, Top Gear -waybackwhen-
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me
While in general I much prefer the metric system to
moon-languageImperial units, I have to agree with the Fahrenheit zealots that the Celsius scale has a bit too large a step size to really be convenient when talking about, e. g., weather. A difference of 1°C is definitely not negligible in the context of human feelings.Also
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
≤0°C: Avoid exposure at all costs!
5°C: Avoid exposure at all costs!
10°C: Try to avoid going out of the house if possible. If unavoidable, wear protective gear.
15°C: Frigging cold but might be bearable
20°C: Chilly but not actively dangerous
25°C: May be acceptable
28°C: Nice weather
≥30°C: May start to get uncomfortable, then horribleFTFY
And also also, when talking about water temperatures:
< 21°C: Way too frigging cold to stay in there any substantial amount of time
22-24°C: That's nice
> 25°C: Hm why am I sweating while swimming?
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
≤-15°C: careful on the road, cold
-5°C: coldish, wear warm clothes
5°C: chilly
10°C: pleasant
15°C: best weather ever
20°C: short sleeves, go to the beach
≥25°C: uncomfortable, then horribleFTFM
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
By the way:
≤0°C: kind of cold
5°C: better get the food inside in the fridge
10°C: spring time!
15°C: where did I put my shorts?
20°C: time to go to the beach
25°C: summer is way too hot this year
≥30°C: my clothes must be on fireFTF
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@ixvedeusi to me one degree difference is the one I really notice. Half a degree is sort of "is it a bit colder/warmer? ".
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@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
The summed up version: Mr. Fahrenheit had a hardon for the whole "360 degree" thing that geometry had.
Imagine all the fun we'd have if Fahrenheit preferred radians.
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@Gąska
Freezing point of water: 32㎭F
Boiling point of water: 35.14159㎭Fe: corrected units
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@hungrier holy cow there's actually a single Unicode code point for a group of three letters! What's more, even though it represents the rad unit, the codepoint is called "square rad". Dafuq
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@Gąska Yeah, it's rad
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
square rad
TIL
The steradian (symbol: sr) or square radian is the SI unit of solid angle.
Whereas an angle in radians, projected onto a circle, gives a length on the circumference, a solid angle in steradians, projected onto a sphere, gives an area on the surface.
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
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@Zecc said in Internet of shit:
@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
square rad
TIL
Um... I was referring to rads, not radians.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
Though, fahrenheit is based on ass pulled numbers. You're just accustomed to it so to you it seems natural.
And Celcius pretty much asspulled the points of reference for his scale as well, so it's not much difference there either really. He even wanted 0 to be the boiling point of water and 100 the freezing point of water, but saner minds flipped it around.
Celcius is just as easy to get used to as far as personal experience, at least around these parts, considering that normal temperatures just range between -30 to 30, with only a few days reaching the extremes. And any temperatures around 0 +/- 5-7 dungaroos is unpleasantly cold whereas most of the rest of the range is ok if you're dressed for it.
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
Um... I was referring to rads, not radians.
Not at first. In any case, my post still applies. TIL about square radians.
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
By the way:
≤0°C: careful on the road, cold
5°C: coldish, wear warm clothes
10°C: chilly
15°C: pleasant
20°C: best weather ever
25°C: short sleeves, go to the beach
≥30°C: uncomfortable, then horribleThat's very dependant on humidity. -15 and +30 are fine when it's dry. With a lot of vapor in the air -5 and +20 and hard to bare.
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@TimeBandit said in Internet of shit:
Celcius
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
Celcius
Celcius
Triggered.
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@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
Though, fahrenheit is based on ass pulled numbers. You're just accustomed to it so to you it seems natural.
Nevertheless, it was a serendipitous ass pull that matches the unit to daily experience.
And Celcius pretty much asspulled the points of reference for his scale as well, so it's not much difference there either really.
It's all the difference. Who gives a fuck what they were based on? Oh, right: metric fanbois.
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@boomzilla how is Fahrenheit really that useful to human needs? If 100°F is serendipitously "I have a temperature", what is 0°F? It's a freezing temperature like any other. What is 50°F? It's not a "pleasant midpoint". It's just that you're accustomed to it and, anyway, Celsius may be asspulled like Fahrenheit, but it's standardised asspulling so it's better. And it's at least a bit more "elegant" in its asspulling.
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
how is Fahrenheit really that useful to human needs?
I'm going to pretend you know the answer to this because you read the posts upthread.
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
You're used to it, fine. That doesn't make you less retarded.
Nice try avoiding having to respond to any of the claims.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
Though, fahrenheit is based on ass pulled numbers. You're just accustomed to it so to you it seems natural.
Nevertheless, it was a serendipitous ass pull that matches the unit to daily experience.
Or more likely, your daily experience is being scaled to match that ass pull.
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
Though, fahrenheit is based on ass pulled numbers. You're just accustomed to it so to you it seems natural.
Nevertheless, it was a serendipitous ass pull that matches the unit to daily experience.
Or more likely, your daily experience is being scaled to match that ass pull.
The
Other NewsClimate ChangeJews Control the Weather thread is
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@boomzilla as I said, it's bollocks. You're simply used to it. In the meantime, since I'm an intelligent human (and I suppose you are too) and water isn't, it's more useful to have a scale mapping the behaviour of arguably the most important substance on Earth. Arguments such as "but the Celsius scale only works in standard conditions!" are deliberately missing the point (around 0°C/100°C is useful enough for daily uses) and deserve to be kicked in the balls.
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
as I said, it's bollocks.
Yes, everyone knows you disagree.
In the meantime, since I'm an intelligent human (and I suppose you are too) and water isn't, it's more useful to have a scale mapping the behaviour of arguably the most important substance on Earth.
TDEMSYR
Arguments such as "but the Celsius scale only works in standard conditions!" are deliberately missing the point (around 0°C/100°C is useful enough for daily uses) and deserve to be kicked in the balls.
I can accept that you miss the point of having something being convenient for humans being the point. Next you'll ridicule people for their favorite colors or something?
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
mapping the behaviour of arguably the most important substance on Earth
I don't get it, what kind of basis is -114°C to 78°C? Those aren't very memorable numbers.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
Though, fahrenheit is based on ass pulled numbers. You're just accustomed to it so to you it seems natural.
Nevertheless, it was a serendipitous ass pull that matches the unit to daily experience.
Or more likely, your daily experience is being scaled to match that ass pull.
The
Other NewsClimate ChangeJews Control the Weather thread isThree misses.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
as I said, it's bollocks.
Yes, everyone knows you disagree.
In the meantime, since I'm an intelligent human (and I suppose you are too) and water isn't, it's more useful to have a scale mapping the behaviour of arguably the most important substance on Earth.
TDEMSYR
You can learn a number right?
Arguments such as "but the Celsius scale only works in standard conditions!" are deliberately missing the point (around 0°C/100°C is useful enough for daily uses) and deserve to be kicked in the balls.
I can accept that you miss the point of having something being convenient for humans being the point. Next you'll ridicule people for their favorite colors or something?
It's convenient for you. It's inconvenient for me. I get what 100°F is, the rest confuses me.
But I get to use a SI unit.
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@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
It's convenient for you. It's inconvenient for me. I get what 100°F is, the rest confuses me.
Yes, I get that. I'm just saying: accept that this is my opinion on why it's better. The things you claim to value mean nothing to me and vice versa.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@Carnage said in Internet of shit:
@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
Americans actually defending Fahrenheit is like 8-year-old me who maintained that having fucked up his Windows 95 install and somehow made the splash screen not appear at startup was a superior system because you could get to see the error messages.
It's like that in approximately zero ways, but sure, ignore what we said and pretend you're superior because your preferred scale is focused on water's behavior at approximately sea level instead of your personal experience and convenience.
Though, fahrenheit is based on ass pulled numbers. You're just accustomed to it so to you it seems natural.
Nevertheless, it was a serendipitous ass pull that matches the unit to daily experience.
Or more likely, your daily experience is being scaled to match that ass pull.
The
Other NewsClimate ChangeJews Control the Weather thread isNot in Poland, we saw to that.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
It's convenient for you. It's inconvenient for me. I get what 100°F is, the rest confuses me.
Yes, I get that. I'm just saying: accept that this is my opinion on why it's better. The things you claim to value mean nothing to me and vice versa.
Like this (edited in after I was posting):
@admiral_p said in Internet of shit:
But I get to use a SI unit.
I can't imagine why that's interesting or important. The only thing SI thing I'm interested looks like this:
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@Gąska said in Internet of shit:
Three misses.
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@boomzilla said in Internet of shit:
since it's so dependent on atmospheric pressure
Almost like I typed that out exactly. And F still has that exact same issue at 212.
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@pie_flavor said in Internet of shit:
Who cares why it is what it is? With Fahrenheit, 0-100 is 'fucking cold' to 'fucking hot'. With Celsius, 0-100 is 'reasonably cold' to 'you are molten'. Which one is a better measuring system for human comfort? Obviously Fahrenheit.
I've given up arguing with Americans. You are all literally brain-wormed into stupidity.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Internet of shit:
I've given up arguing with Americans.
Thank fuck, I thought I was going to have to respond to your posts over