WTF Bites
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
you know, some program using a file in the temp directory. The nerve!
Like Explorer.
Or Disk Cleaner! (On my VMs, after I run cleaner, I reboot, then specifically go into %TEMP% and \windows\temp and shift+del almost everything)
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@Zerosquare said in WTF Bites:
The amount of sites and applications which do that is astoundingly high. I regularly scroll through to Gambia because I know that "Deutschland" won't be found under D.
I suddenly feel lucky to live in a country whose name is invariant by English translation.
Hey, so do I!
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What would you call the language used by Americans? You know, the one similar but not exactly equal to the language used in England?
A different flavo
ur of English
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@Applied-Mediocrity It also insists on doing this "contrast calibration" every. single. time.
Now you're making it sound like it doesn't save settings properly. Are you not logged in as admin?
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But backpedalling itself is pretty ordinary. Yeah, chipzilla screwed everyone over changing sockets again and again, because they could. Now that AMD can, did you expect AM4 to live forever? Anyway, is:
- We will develop and enable our motherboard partners with the code to support “Zen 3”-based processors in select beta BIOSes for AMD B450 and X470 motherboards.
- These optional BIOS updates will disable support for many existing AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor models to make the necessary ROM space available.
These boards come with 128 (a lot even 256 Mb) chips. Are they stuffing Electron in there these days to make all the pretty animations? Why not rip out all that crap before cutting hardware support?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
These boards come with 128 (a lot even 256 Mb) chips
Wait what, really? Are you sure that's not KB? When did BIOSs become so damn large?
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Wait what, really? Are you sure that's not KB? When did BIOSs become so damn large?
Does any of this shit...
look like it could fit in KB? Conquer the goddamn battlefield!!1
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@Applied-Mediocrity What The Fuck is even that? I'd have guessed that's some shitty graphic card drivers (cough Catalyst cough) running on Windows, not some on board menu.
Looks like I'm really far removed from current generation consumer hardware.
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@topspin Tbh, chip size is indicated in Mbits, which then gets us 16 to 32 MBytes for the boards in question. However, a / 8 = .
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@Applied-Mediocrity What The Fuck is even that? I'd have guessed that's some shitty graphic card drivers (cough Catalyst cough) running on Windows, not some on board menu.
Looks like I'm really far removed from current generation consumer hardware.They're not all fancy gamer graphics. Some just look a bit more modern while also actually working with the mouse and enabling online BIOS updates etc.
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
They're not all fancy gamer graphics. Some just look a bit more modern
EZ Mode
GG EZ.
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
They're not all fancy gamer graphics. Some just look a bit more modern
EZ Mode
GG EZ.
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@loopback0 True, Asus is pretty low-key compared to others. Look, I'm not even against fancy graphics. Overview is nice, fan and temp graphs are nice, mouse support... well, I guess. If they don't cannibalize hardware functionality.
Online updates? Eh, fuck that. If the net stack they used is small, why not. I've always been a little uneasy regarding how secure it is. Messing with proprietary firmware... well, I guess there are easier ways. Though once some time ago Ass-rock changed download servers and that shit didn't work anyway.
It's not even the first time. It was pretty much the same thing with Zen 2 last year, with bunch of first gen cut to make space for new stuff. And 500-series still have the same little chips. Lucky for us, 500-series is a dead-end anyway - Zen 4 will be completely different.
Then there's these gems:
- The select beta BIOSes will enable a one-way upgrade path for AMD Ryzen Processors with “Zen 3,” coming later this year. Flashing back to an older BIOS version will not be supported. <-- how? what's the fucking difference suddenly?
- To reduce the potential for confusion, our intent is to offer BIOS download only to verified customers of 400 Series motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that
customers have a bootable processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.we can monitor how many people didn't want to give us more money, and make a pie chart out of it <-- right, good luck with that verification-gated download on the internets
Also, Asus and Asrock used to have DIP8 (removable) chips in many models. I wonder if they couldn't probably fix this if they wanted to. Edit: not anymore they don't.
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Yeah... I guess I kinda went full @levicki about this, didn't I? After finally being burned by chipzilla (heh, burned) I've unfortunately found that the other side has been acting not a bit better.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
I've unfortunately found that the other side has been acting not a bit better.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
But backpedalling itself is pretty ordinary. Yeah, chipzilla screwed everyone over changing sockets again and again, because they could. Now that AMD can, did you expect AM4 to live forever?
Seriously, why does everyone immediately assume ill will? No, backpedaling isn't ordinary. Not even Intel has done that (whenever they've changed sockets, they were always clear right from the start that's the case). It's entirely possible that they genuinely wanted to provide first-party support for older motherboards, but the marketing was way ahead of engineering and it turned out too late that they cannot deliver. So they were forced to call off their promise. But then an engineering breakthrough happened, as often happens at random times, and they managed to get it working, but had to make tradeoffs that previously were out of question. Which sucks, because they tried their hardest but the media are still going to paint them as villains.
Yes, the BIOS and the chipset itself are definitely a huge pile of steaming - as all software and hardware is. But it's not like they can throw it all away and start from scratch - especially when we're talking about updates to products already on the market. In fact, it's quite possible that Ryzen 4000 incompatibility was caused by them cutting out WTFs!
Does any of this shit... look like it could fit in KB?
Honestly? Not kilobytes, but definitely a few megs would suffice. Nice UI doesn't cost that much space, and the graphics look easily compressible (and they're all low-res AFAIK, so even less space wasted).
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Seriously, why does everyone immediately assume ill will? No, backpedaling isn't ordinary. Not even Intel has done that (whenever they've changed sockets, they were always clear right from the start that's the case). It's entirely possible that they genuinely wanted to provide first-party support for older motherboards, but the marketing was way ahead of engineering and it turned out too late that they cannot deliver. So they were forced to call off their promise. But then an engineering breakthrough happened, as often happens at random times, and they managed to get it working, but had to make tradeoffs that previously were out of question. Which sucks, because they tried their hardest but the media are still going to paint them as villains.
I thought of a good analogy, for those familiar with House of Cards. Remember that episode where the president had to choose between pushing onward with his social reform funded by disaster relief fund, or canceling it and using the money to protect against the upcoming hurricane? That's AMD right now.
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why does everyone immediately assume ill will?
I don't. I'm assuming almost exactly what you say. Marketing promised something that engineers could not possibly deliver.
What I mean to say is - how is any of that shit my problem and why the solution looks like it's being cleverly made into my problem? Do they want another class action? Because this is how they get class action.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
why does everyone immediately assume ill will?
I don't. I'm assuming almost exactly what you say. Marketing promised something that engineers could not possibly deliver, but something must be done stat.
Not even that. It's entirely plausible that the engineering did say they're going to deliver, and it's only later that they realized they're screwed. Shit like this happens all the time. I've seen a project get cancelled after sinking thousands of man-hours into it, just because the management didn't like the total estimate of 100kmh and another division said they can deliver with half that, then some more thousand man-hours later they've got cancelled too because their estimates kept rising as the work went on.
What I mean to say is - how is any of that shit my problem
It's not. But a bit of sympathy can go a long way.
and why the solution looks like it's being cleverly made into my problem?
They're basically saying "we couldn't get this to work the normal way but we've got this super crazy hack working and it will work perfectly for that CPU+mobo combo, but breaks all other setups - so we want to make sure the update goes only to the people who know what they're doing, because we just know millions of dumb teenagers are going to smear us all over Twitter because they couldn't bother to RTFM."
Do they want another class action? Because this is how they get class action.
At this stage, class action is the least of their problems here. They've already screwed people up with their promises, people are already hating them for it, all they can do now is not make even more people hate them for bricking their currently working builds.
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@Applied-Mediocrity I assume the file name is the intended message.
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@Gąska You assume correctly. Clever you!
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
These boards come with 128 (a lot even 256 Mb) chips
Wait what, really? Are you sure that's not KB? When did BIOSs become so damn large?
From the linked article:
Most AMD motherboards are outfitted with 16 megabyte BIOS chips. The reason why this is the case is due to a limitation on some of AMD’s early AM4 processors – due to design, they can only ever address the first 16 megabytes of a BIOS chip. So even if a motherboard vendor had a larger BIOS chip, say MSI had a 32 megabyte chip, then it would actually operate like two partitioned BIOSes and it would get very complicated. There is no easy way to support every AM4 processor with a simple 16 megabyte BIOS.
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@El_Heffe ?! UEFI runs in long mode...
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@loopback0 said in WTF Bites:
I thought of a good analogy
Wrong. No cars involved.
Remember that episode where the president had to choose between pushing onward with his
socialcar reform funded bydisastercar relief fund, or canceling it and using the money to protect against the upcominghurricanecarnado? That's AMD right now.FTFY
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
@El_Heffe ?! UEFI runs in long mode...
So? You can't install terabytes of RAM either, even though it's way below the limits of 64-bit address space.
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@Gąska So? Ryzen has 48-bit address bus. Probably because it has a lot in common with Epyc, which in turn does in fact allow me to install terabytes of RAM.
How much RAM your contrarian strawman has?
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@Applied-Mediocrity are you even trying to make some point anymore, or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
Online updates? Eh, fuck that.
I actually found that useful. Tho in the end it didn't help my problem... My mobo has lost USB support - so I tried flashing in an updated bios - without the net option, that would have been impossible. (USB is still dead...)
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
@El_Heffe ?! UEFI runs in long mode...
So? You can't install terabytes of RAM either, even though it's way below the limits of 64-bit address space.
Really?
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@El_Heffe 256 TB should be enough for everyone.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
@El_Heffe ?! UEFI runs in long mode...
So? You can't install terabytes of RAM either, even though it's way below the limits of 64-bit address space.
Really?
Does it have gamer BIOS that conquers the battlefield, too? I was talking about the specific product category that's being complained about here, not all motherboards in general.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
Wait what, really? Are you sure that's not KB? When did BIOSs become so damn large?
Does any of this shit...
look like it could fit in KB? Conquer the goddamn battlefield!!1
Vector graphics are fucking awesome. Too bad that's one of the many things that were lost to time.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Vector graphics are fucking awesome. Too bad that's one of the many things that were lost to time.
There's a lot of detail / shading / glare. I kind of doubt if you faithfully recreated this with vector graphics the result would be much smaller in size.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Vector graphics are fucking awesome. Too bad that's one of the many things that were lost to time.
There's a lot of detail / shading / glare. I kind of doubt if you faithfully recreated this with vector graphics the result would be much smaller in size.
Gots an onboard gpu that's not legacy, Shirley some of that can be used?
Just get a demoscene guy on the case!
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There's something odd about this table zebra striping.
I think what's actually happening is they use 1 or 2
tr
elements to represent a single logical "row" depending on context. Which is still .
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Vector graphics are fucking awesome. Too bad that's one of the many things that were lost to time.
There's a lot of detail / shading / glare. I kind of doubt if you faithfully recreated this with vector graphics the result would be much smaller in size.
Gots an onboard gpu that's not legacy, Shirley some of that can be used?
Just get a demoscene guy on the case!
Or embed Unity in the BIOS, that's going to save you lots of bytes.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Just get a demoscene guy on the case!
Configuration, charts, mouse support, updates - but most importantly, Menger sponges and chipmuzak - all in 64k
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Vector graphics are fucking awesome. Too bad that's one of the many things that were lost to time.
There's a lot of detail / shading / glare. I kind of doubt if you faithfully recreated this with vector graphics the result would be much smaller in size.
Gots an onboard gpu that's not legacy, Shirley some of that can be used?
Just get a demoscene guy on the case!
Or embed Unity in the BIOS, that's going to save you lots of bytes.
I decided to look how Unity's web build works one time.
It's like this:
- compile C# to CIL
- decompile CIL to C++
- transpile C++ to JavaScript (asm.js via emscripten)
I was horrified but also impressed.
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@error needs more
layerswooden tables and indirections.CIL
Is that something else than MSIL or just a re-branding?
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@topspin The latter, before .NET Intermediate Language, Language 365 Intermediate and Intermediate Language for Business.
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@error needs more
layerswooden tables and indirections.CIL
Is that something else than MSIL or just a re-branding?
Common Intermediate Language (CIL), formerly called Microsoft Intermediate Language (MSIL) or Intermediate Language (IL),[1] is the intermediate language binary instruction set defined within the Common Language Infrastructure (CLI) specification.[2]
You're just ing.
I'm pretty sure they did it because they made it an open standard, and the branding makes it seem proprietary.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF Bites:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF Bites:
Just get a demoscene guy on the case!
Configuration, charts, mouse support, updates - but most importantly, Menger sponges and chipmuzak - all in 64k
I saw a game jam where entries had to be 1kb or less of JavaScript. And that's not much JavaScript (even when minified).
They were surprisingly complex. I remember a winner made some kind of first-person procedurally generated infinite minecart ride with like monochrome ray tracing.
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WTF of my day: So, I finally have enough empty one-way glass bottles around (normally I get the ones you return to the shop) that I had to look up where there's a glass collection station. I hadn't seen one on my various walks in the neighbourhood so I went to our city's website where they list the locations.
Next one is 5 km away - my whole neighbourhood does not have a single one of those. But, hey, at least there are two others only 200 meters away from the first one.
I'm not sure which idiot thinks that clustering such stations is a great idea.
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@error needs more
layerswooden tables and indirections.CIL
Is that something else than MSIL or just a re-branding?
Common Intermediate Language (CIL), formerly called Microsoft Intermediate Language (MSIL) or Intermediate Language (IL),[1] is the intermediate language binary instruction set defined within the Common Language Infrastructure (CLI) specification.[2]
You're just ing.
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Or embed Unity in the BIOS, that's going to save you lots of bytes.
Or just the drivers that allow you to use said GPU.
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Or embed Unity in the BIOS, that's going to save you lots of bytes.
Or just the drivers that allow you to use said GPU.
$ wget https://www2.ati.com/drivers/amd-catalyst-15.7.1-win10-64bit.exe Resolving www2.ati.com (www2.ati.com)... 92.123.229.3 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 227981256 (218M)
Side note: of course that's fake, you can't actually wget the file because they implemented some garbage that checks referrer.
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are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
Have you forgotten what forum you're on?