Necros
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@ben_lubar
he was deleting his posts?
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Necroing the necro thread
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@Tsaukpaetra I didn't want to wait
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@Tsaukpaetra I didn't want to wait
See, this is why wallets get stolen and hearts impregnate!
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Alex was seeing the bullshit behind agile before it was cool
@apapadimoulis said in Agile != cowboy:
Unlike the term "agile", there is no society/association/manifesto providing a definition of "cowboy coding". It's therefore difficult to say that "agile != cowboy" because we really can't define what cowboy coding is; I say "agile" is a new word for it, you say it isn't. What I can do, however, is demonstrate that the Agile Methodology is (and will continue to be) a failure.
First and foremost, it goes against basic common sense -- time passed is exponentially proportional to cost of change. Be it a skyscraper or a novel, it's ridiculous to believe that some magical process will make this go away. The *only* way we can reduce this cost is by sacrificing on the quality of the product.
Your skyscraper will need to be built with Legos and your novel will need to work with a protagonist who is either a lonely old man seeking one last adventure or a college graduate with the aspiration to take on the world. Your software will need to be generic to the point of uselessness. It all ads up to a crappy building, a crappy book, and a crappy application.
The second main failing of Agile is that it ignores the most expensive part of software: maintenance. Sure, a barrage of automated unit tests is great and all, but three years down the line when all the original coders left, you're going to be facing a new team of clueless coders. Not only will the new guys have no comprehensive documentation, but after the hackfest known as "initial development," the system will be too complicated to understand from the source code alone. This will lead to bugs, bugs, and more bugs, and you'll be left with a very expensive system to maintain.
I consider this cowboy coding. Sure, it's all "cleaned up" and has a few books written on it, but the utter disregard for the quality and maintainability of the product, all while ignoring forty years of tried-and-true software development methodology sure seems pretty "yeeeeee-haaaaawww" to me.
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@fbmac you're back!
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@clippy The whole point of agile is avoiding locks, though. You try to identify roadblocks as soon as possible and keep the work going, rather than having constant meetings on every detail before the implementation starts and getting it wrong anyway. As long as you don't try to 'implement' agile, or 'agile processes', you can get benefit from trying to be agile. My company has decided that 'agile' is its new catchphrase for everything, which is disastrous, because at this point they're turning it as quickly as possible into waterfall again.
As long as you don't put too much meaning behind the word, it can help get things done.
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@Magus In my current job as a cowboy coder I have to do trial and error because nobody specified a fucking api with a fucking server.
Shit that should be done in a day take forever and is so frustrating
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@Magus In my current job as a cowboy coder I have to do trial and error because nobody specified a fucking api with a fucking server.
Shit that should be done in a day take forever and is so frustratingAgreed.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Necros:
denied
@fbmac'd, actually.
In the end, it doesn't even matter..
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@sloosecannon said in Necros:
I've got enough unread posts without some idiot coming in here and bumping some discussion from 10 years ago...
This one didn't rich 10 years yet, so it's okay
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@wharrgarbl GODDAMNIT FBMAC!
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Why is it we only complain about necromancers? Why not rangers, warriors, guardians, revenants, mesmers, engineers, thieves or elementalists?
This joke was brought to you from the comedy circuit of Lion's Arch, Tyria, for more information see guildwars2.com
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@arantor It's way harder to spot the other professions on the Internet, whereas being a necromancer is a dead giveaway.
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@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
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@arantor It's way harder to spot the other professions on the Internet, whereas being a necromancer is a dead giveaway.
Paging @groaner
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Why is it we only complain about necromancers?
We also complain about Ben's dwarves ...
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@arantor It's way harder to spot the other professions on the Internet, whereas being a necromancer is a dead giveaway.
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@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
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@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
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@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
Likes are a potentially doxing metadata! :D
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@tsaukpaetra said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
Likes are a potentially doxing metadata! :D
That's why they're displayed publicly!
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@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@tsaukpaetra said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
Likes are a potentially doxing metadata! :D
That's why they're displayed publicly!
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@ben_lubar I prefer to think of channelling the legacy Morbs stance as more of a set of condition damage skills that get inflicted with no easy way to avoid.
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@ben_lubar I prefer to think of channelling the legacy Morbs stance as more of a set of condition damage skills that get inflicted with no easy way to avoid.
So basically 10 copies of Embrace the Darkness?
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@ben_lubar I imagine 6-10 are different condition damage effects, not just based off torment.
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@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@tsaukpaetra said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
Likes are a potentially doxing metadata! :D
That's why they're displayed publicly!
Unless there are more than 6 of them. Because raisins.
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@polygeekery said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@tsaukpaetra said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
Likes are a potentially doxing metadata! :D
That's why they're displayed publicly!
Unless there are more than 6 of them. Because raisins.
and when there are more than six the sixth one is hidden again
unless you are an admin/moderator (delete whichever is inappropirate)
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@polygeekery said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@tsaukpaetra said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
@jbert I dunno, someone channelling the spirits of legendary figures, a la the revenant would be fairly easy to spot. Here for example, it'd be someone channelling the spirit of @morbiuswilters
What would a @morbiuswilters revenant specialize in? Crowd control from snarky remarks catching people off guard?
A @dhromed revenant would be weird, since @dhromed actually plays GW2, so it'd be like if Herald invoked Aurene instead of Glint.
@Tsaukpaetra liked this post but I have a feeling he has no idea what I'm talking about.
Likes are a potentially doxing metadata! :D
That's why they're displayed publicly!
Unless there are more than 6 of them. Because raisins.
and when there are more than six the sixth one is hidden again
unless you are an admin/moderator (delete whichever is inappropirate)
Should I program something to make it show the upvotes/downvotes thing for non-mods and just replace all the downvoters with shadowmod or whatever until we figure out if downvotes are PII?
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@ben_lubar said in Necros:
if downvotes are PII?
uhhhhh..... the actual fuck?
for serious?
I could get "shouldn't be public." I'd even agree with it, but PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION, fuck that noise. downboats aren't PII. They shouldn't be public, sure but they ain't PII.
@ben_lubar said in Necros:
Should I program something to make it show the upvotes/downvotes thing for non-mods and just replace all the downvoters with shadowmod
Would you?
though if you do could you use @zoidberg instead of shadowmod?
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Yeah, but did you ever play Jenga? Sometimes you take out one and... [imitates crashing]
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@ben_lubar said in Necros:
So basically 10 copies of Embrace the Darkness?
Since it's @morbiuswilters I think it's closer to 10 copies of Vengeance is Ours. With a
/dance
for good measure.
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