More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense
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@HardwareGeek Why don't you want to always be up-to-date with the latest Windows features and updates?
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@HardwareGeek Why don't you want to always be up-to-date with the latest Windows features and updates?
I live on that edge with my phone. I can't accept that risk with my PC.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Why don't you want to always be up-to-date with the latest Windows features and updates?
Because I depend on the context of having all the stuff I'm working on in open windows. Rebooting destroys that context. It's important to me that that happen when it's convenient for me, not at some arbitrary time decided by the OS.
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@HardwareGeek No it doesn't. Your files will be right where you left them.
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@Tsaukpaetra You're the reason we have botnets. :(
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@HardwareGeek No it doesn't. Your files will be right where you left them.
@drurowin obviously didn't read...
@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra You're the reason we have botnets. :(
Literally one of all of the computers in my fleet have ever participated in a botnet, and that's because poor firewall combined with a dumb user who had his password the same as their username.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
No it doesn't. Your files will be right where you left them.
Yes, it does. My files will be right where I left them, but I won't remember which files I left where.
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@Tsaukpaetra You just don't know. With all the zero-day exploits in the wild, your PC is probably not under your control any more unless you update immediately when new updates are available. It takes a trained specialist and expensive software to determine if your PC's infected.
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@HardwareGeek Just open Excel or Word or whatever you were using and do File > Open Recent, and your documents will be right at the top of that list. :)
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
the option I was trying to find (that I remember from older versions of Windows but doesn't seem to exist in Win10).
You mean this window?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
You mean this window?
Yeah, that one.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It takes a trained specialist and expensive software to determine if your PC's infected.
.... I'm going to go with: No.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
You mean this window?
Yeah, that one.
Yeah, that's well and truly gone I think. Might be able to find it with special registry fiddling and DLLs, but the screen I showed is what replaced it.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
File > Open Recent, and your documents will be right at the top of that list.
In some cases, context will still be lost, for example, that I had a specification document scrolled to page 647 (of 892) to a piece of information whose only distinguishing characteristic is that an hour and a half of searching found it at the 1237th occurrence of the word "frobnicate" in the WTFrobnicator Model 3 spec. (Ok, that was my previous job a lot more this one, but yeah, BTDT.)
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@Tsaukpaetra I'm sorry you feel that way.
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@HardwareGeek Your problem is with your workflow, not with Windows in that case. I'd suggest checking with your ISV for a fix.
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra I'm sorry you feel that way.
Awe, thanks, you do care!
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
scrolled to page 647 (of 892)
Something like this ...
I cut the dialog because it was giving the page & chapter. It works the same in Word & PowerPoint since at least 2013.
It folds down to an icon after a few seconds but hoovering shows the details again.
It goes away if you start working in the document like scrolling, start typing, ...
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Outdated:
Wow, nearly 1600 versions old
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
With all the zero-day exploits in the wild
Most of which seem to be for AV products.
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@dkf Low-hanging fruit is low-hanging.
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@Jaloopa Humm...
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@flabdablet said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Low-hanging fruit
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
pick "select which icons appear on the taskbar".
I see nothing there about reboot notifications.
Maybe someone has neutered this stuff via group policy?
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@drurowin the convention here for sarcastic or facetious posts is to tack a
:trolleybus:
to the end
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@bb36e said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@drurowin the convention here for sarcastic or facetious posts is to tack a
:trolleybus:
to the endBad advice, I wouldn't recommend this. Now there are tack holes in my screen and the bus company is pressing charges.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
It's important to me that that happen when it's convenient for me, not at some arbitrary time decided by the OS.
Heretic !!!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Well aren't you special!
I"m not using Lunix hardware, so I guess so!
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@HardwareGeek Upgrade? I just got this:
After clicking hte sidebar button, I got this, which stick around until you clear it:
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@drurowin said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra You just don't know. With all the zero-day exploits in the wild, your PC is probably not under your control any more unless you update immediately when new updates are available.
So, Windows is so insecure that when there is an update, you just can't stand there shooting aliens, you have to stop everything, apply them and reboot ASAP ?
I think I've read that before.
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So the recent updates did require a restart. Let's see if that magical icon appeared!
@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I finally got it again:
I have never seen any icon like this in my life. It doesn't even match the theme of actual Windows 10 icons. Maybe it's enterprise edition only? It's too small for tineye or google search by image. Also, in the future use WinKey+PrintScreen to avoid JPEG quality. You can crop it later.
@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@HardwareGeek Upgrade? I just got this:
After clicking hte sidebar button, I got this, which stick around until you clear it:
"Active hours" is only available in insider preview. We mere mortals won't get it until August 2nd.
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
"Active hours" is only available in insider preview. We mere mortals won't get it until August 2nd.
Yes, I know. And Insider previews are free. If "unexpected" reboots are a problem, you should probably get on the slow ring, so you can have this feature that warns you that it'll do a reboot and when.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I finally got it again:
Aha, found it!! Microsoft Software Center
NOT part of Windows 10, but a tool used for Windows Enterprise.
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@boomzilla said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Maybe someone has neutered this stuff via group policy?
Perhaps, but that seems like an odd thing to disable. Of course, we've all seen IT do odd things...
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@LB_ said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Maybe it's enterprise edition only?
I'm on Enterprise and have never seen that...
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@FrostCat said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Looks like you're on an outdated version! 14388 is available. (Yeah, wait 1 or 2 days and a new one appears)
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I'm on Enterprise and have never seen that...
Maybe you haven't yet boldly gone where no one has gone before.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
I'm on Enterprise and have never seen that...
Maybe you haven't yet boldly gone where no one has gone before.
Not on this machine!
14388 is available.
That machine is a different story...
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@dcon said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
Looks like you're on an outdated version! 14388 is available.
Yup, Windows hadn't offered it yet when I took that screenshot..
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So, I finally decided to allow Win10 to reboot. 16:30 Friday afternoon, with nothing else I could do productive, I decided it was better to reboot manually and reopen all the windows I was using while I remembered what I had open rather than risk an automatic reboot while I wasn't paying attention over the weekend.
- Update and reboot takes > 20 minutes
- Outlook opens automatically, which is fine; it's supposed to do that. Then, within one minute of opening, without so much as touching the window, "Outlook has stopped working."
- Open assorted other windows I had open before rebooting: Word, Excel, OneNote, VNC, etc.
- Open Edge. (INB4: TRWTF) Usually, Edge opens a random subset of windows that were open when it closed, occasionally tossing in a window or two from a previous session. This time, at first, it opened only a single window. Plus two audio streams from the same radio station, identical, except for being slightly out of sync, and with no windows to interact with the stream. I opened Task Manager to see how many Edge background processes were running; before I could count them, Edge started opening more windows — every window I'd ever had open in Edge, AFAICT. By the time it was done, I had 37 Edge windows, many with multiple tabs. Many of those duplicates, because of many instances of "I know I had a window for
example.com
, but it's gone, so open it again."
All told, 30 minutes from start of reboot to being able to resume working, assuming you call having 37 Edge windows usable.
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@HardwareGeek said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
All told, 30 minutes from start of reboot to being able to resume working, assuming you call having 37 Edge windows usable.
That's not bad at all, I'm getting about double that with my broken hard drive!
Oh wait, less time is better? Well then...
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@Tsaukpaetra Yeah with an SSD it takes like 5 minutes from start to finish.
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@HardwareGeek
Also, reboot couldn't proceed without manual intervention, because Bitlocker PIN.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
That's not bad at all, I'm getting about double that with my broken hard drive!
Haven't you got something better than that yet? There's literally no reason to rely on a bust drive for anything; they're nothing but trouble. They also don't cost much to replace.
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
That's not bad at all, I'm getting about double that with my broken hard drive!
Haven't you got something better than that yet? There's literally no reason to rely on a bust drive for anything; they're nothing but trouble. They also don't cost much to replace.
I'm not relying on it, I just ha
sdn't realized that was the core of my slowness until very recently.Edit: wow autocorrect...
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@LB_
30 seconds or so.
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@Luhmann That's only if there are no updates.
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@Tsaukpaetra Well, Amazon's right over there. Their prices are pretty keen, and they ship promptly. Treat yourself.
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@dkf said in More Windows 10 auto-update auto-reboot nonsense:
@Tsaukpaetra Well, Amazon's right over there. Their prices are pretty keen, and they ship promptly. Treat yourself.
Yeah, I'm also sourcing for a memory upgrade, I'm pretty sure it's DDR3L but not so sure about speeds, and the specs sheet is extremely unhelpful (Mac memor: Fixed?!? Wtf does that even mean???)
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Though I’d post this here:
Here’s the (slightly formatted by me) Google Translate version of that page:
What do you want - as a minister - not seen on the presentation laptop just before you start a Christmas service?
http://kerkwell.nl/sites/kerkwell.nl/bestanden/media/admin/IMG_20161225_094028.jpg
Windows 10 updates itself. The process logs, start and do not interrupt. In Window 7 you could postpone it. But no, not in Windows 10. And it does not take a minute, no, it lasted from the end start a half hour ..
Why forcing Windows updates? And: are Windows users on the same way once or twice a week turn a PC for a presentation at the height of this compelling way of working?
When I walked to the service in the beam team, the PC indicated that it would be 10 to 10 finished. Well ahead .. but of all the people you DO NOT want to see walking through the church during the Christmas service, is that the technician .. And who runs at 5 to 10 to me? "This is going to take longer .." During the service would be kept informed through the app. It went as follows:
http://kerkwell.nl/sites/kerkwell.nl/bestanden/media/admin/Screenshot_2016-12-25-14-45-37.jpeg
In other words, we could not just stop the process of updating and had nothing to voro well-prepared presentation. Day work is managed to get everything right: songs with notes, lectures intent. Yes, we have alternative scenarios. The songs are like images in a folder. With some creativity to get that on the screen with the cuff.But then the laptop should do it.
How have we celebrated Christmas?
Even in a crowded church appeared well-known songs to live here and there to murmur. As good and as bad as it went we sang a few songs. Pity because this service the organist had practiced with two blowers for some songs. Fortunately, the choir sang in these rampant day. They took care of the necessary musical accompaniment and gave a spontaneous encore after the blessing of the Christmas song "Gloria, God be the glory.”As we left the church appeared the first sheet with messages on the screen.
What can we learn from them?
All hindsight, of course, but you have to learn from mistakes.- Instead of the normal Windows 10 to buy the Pro version. Apparently, can you postpone updating automatically.
- All backup scenarios we were not so far that we have alternative physical systems. Math but yes that's thought out in no time.
- These backup systems must then be tested. A simple "I also have a laptop ', is not enough. What if the system fails 5 minutes for the service? Do you have the device quickly enough? And does it work?
- In addition, the chain must work on the alternative system. We work with DropBox containing all the files. There are not a few files, but more than 5000. If that still need to be synchronized in an emergency, then it will take at least a hour.