Discussion of NodeBB Updates
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
banned user so far today
So there will be more bannings, and that's only "until now", indicating intent for more.
The bannings will continue until morale improves.
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I don't think we should have this sort of debate in the public area...
Dammit As you were then...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
banned user so far today
So there will be more bannings, and that's only "until now", indicating intent for more.
I can't make statements about the future. There are no plans to ban users, but who knows when the next spam bot will try to make a post?
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
Just a quick reminder that bigotry is not tolerated on this site, and using the same tactics that neo-nazis try to use when I say this on other sites will work about as poorly here as it does there.
What fuckery has gone on?
Autism speaks.
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Also, just to be sure it's clear: I'm not using the Jeff Atwood definition of "temporary ban" here. The ban durations (apart from the aforementioned spam bot) are 6 hours, 6 hours, and 7 days.
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@SlackerD said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
Because there's been some confusion, I'd like to clarify that the only permanently banned user so far today was @Pakistaniescorts69.
How about you clarify why boomzilla had his admin status removed?
Because everyone is a Nazi. Jeez. Try to keep up.
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@Polygeekery said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in NodeBB Updates:
Just a quick reminder that bigotry is not tolerated on this site, and using the same tactics that neo-nazis try to use when I say this on other sites will work about as poorly here as it does there.
What fuckery has gone on?
Autism speaks.
I'm not a huge fan of eugenics-based autism charities.
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@ben_lubar not a big fan of free speech either, eh?
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I'm not a huge fan of eugenics-based autism charities.
I didn't think I was either......but they're growing on me.
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WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
And now Ben temp-bans people for asking questions, apparently.
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@SlackerD said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
And now Ben temp-bans people for asking questions, apparently.
I permanently ban people for saying that they would like to commit genocide.
Bare minimum, really.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@SlackerD said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
And now Ben temp-bans people for asking questions, apparently.
I permanently ban people for saying that they would like to commit genocide.
Bare minimum, really.
Good thing he never said that, then.
Edit: Unless you're going to claim he was dog-whistling.
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
Well, shit. I was avoiding that thread (and category, usually) but now I have to read it to find out what happened.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Also, just to be sure it's clear: I'm not using the Jeff Atwood definition of "temporary ban" here. The ban durations (apart from the aforementioned spam bot) are 6 hours, 6 hours, and 7 days.
Based on what I see in the Let's fix police brutality thread, those are some combination of @GuyWhoKilledBear, @HardwareGeek, and @GÄ…ska. Based on that thread and their recent post history, it also seems that you took issue with something they said in that thread. I assume that @boomzilla's demotion is related. Regardless, I don't really see anything worthy of the punishments being handed out.
Combine all that with @boomzilla's comment:
Could you be more specific please? I see that you've removed me as an administrator, which implies that I've done something here but I'm not sure what it is that I've done.
and it seems like there was no warning or explanation given to the affected people.
Quick tip @ben_lubar: if you're going to deal out punishments, you need to clearly communicate to the affected people what they did wrong. Failing to do so often leads to worse behavior, otherwise they might start acting out to feel like they deserved the punishment. That's probably the biggest thing I've learned from raising 4 kids.
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
Well, shit. I was avoiding that thread (and category, usually) but now I have to read it to find out what happened.
You know what they say about curiosity.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@SlackerD said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
WAITAMINUTE....
This is because of the topic in the Salon? Seriously?
And now Ben temp-bans people for asking questions, apparently.
I permanently ban people for saying that they would like to commit genocide.
Bare minimum, really.
That seems sensible. I don't recall anyone doing that, though. Not even @TunnelRat.
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Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
Edit: of course, you're not actually having trouble finding it. you're just trying to muddy the waters. the exact way I told you wouldn't work.
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I was avoiding that thread
#metoo until I saw it was the last topic two of the ban victims posted in and caught up.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
Yes, and he didn't say that he would like to commit genocide . I can read just fine.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
This tells me less than nothing.
Can you go back to using vague pictures please?
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@abarker said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Also, just to be sure it's clear: I'm not using the Jeff Atwood definition of "temporary ban" here. The ban durations (apart from the aforementioned spam bot) are 6 hours, 6 hours, and 7 days.
Based on what I see in the Let's fix police brutality thread, those are some combination of @GuyWhoKilledBear, @HardwareGeek, and @GÄ…ska. Based on that thread and their recent post history, it also seems that you took issue with something they said in that thread. I assume that @boomzilla's demotion is related. Regardless, I don't really see anything worthy of the punishments being handed out.
Combine all that with @boomzilla's comment:
Could you be more specific please? I see that you've removed me as an administrator, which implies that I've done something here but I'm not sure what it is that I've done.
and it seems like there was no warning or explanation given to the affected people.
Quick tip @ben_lubar: if you're going to deal out punishments, you need to clearly communicate to the affected people what they did wrong. Failing to do so often leads to worse behavior, otherwise they might start acting out to feel like they deserved the punishment. That's probably the biggest thing I've learned from raising 4 kids.
Yeah. I'm guessing that @ben_lubar was talking about me asking for clarification when he talked about neo-nazi techniques because I think I was pretty much the only person talking to him.
Which is weird, because no one has ever read a @ben_lubar post before and not known what he was talking about.
I mean...I'm just getting my on even more now, but actually banning people for no apparent reason? Seriously, genocide?!? This makes @end look pretty sane.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
This tells me less than nothing.
Can you go back to using vague pictures please?
It tells us which post just got @Polygeekery banned.
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@abarker said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
This tells me less than nothing.
Can you go back to using vague pictures please?
It tells us which post just got @Polygeekery banned.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
Oh I see. A new ban that's clearly as bullshit as the others.
That's clearly not what he said, even taken out of context.Ben - stop while you're ahead. You've demoted the one admin who's actually here regularly, you've banned several regulars for basically nothing like what they've been accused of. Undo the idiotic choices you've made. Go back to posting Mastodon poops and vague images.
edit: Another one bites the dust.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Since you all seem to be having trouble finding it, here's a link directly to the post: https://what.thedailywtf.com/post/1698393
This tells me less than nothing.
Can you go back to using vague pictures please?
This should clear things up:
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
Oh I see. A new ban that's clearly as bullshit as the others.
Yeah, more bans that I flat out disagree with. WHEEE!
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@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
edit: Another one bites the dust.
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations. That one's 6 hours.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
edit: Another one bites the dust.
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations.
Just stop banning people for no good reason and we'll assume the ban duration is null.
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Status: Oh. The
topicany infiniscroll page is still fucked up if for some reason your screen is too yuuge to let you scroll.I wonder if I should Bug Bites this...
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations.
@julianlam @barisu why is that even hidden anyways? Sensitive private information of some kind?
Probably even less harmful than knowing the downvoters...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations.
@julianlam @barisu why is that even hidden anyways? Sensitive private information of some kind?
Probably even less harmful than knowing the downvoters...
While you're making it visible, also maybe don't show temporary bans in millisecond-precision ISO-8601 form to humans.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@Tsaukpaetra said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations.
@julianlam @barisu why is that even hidden anyways? Sensitive private information of some kind?
Probably even less harmful than knowing the downvoters...
While you're making it visible, also maybe don't show temporary bans in millisecond-precision ISO-8601 form to humans.
Eh. That's just printing datetimes in general. Nowhere should that be raw-printed anyways...
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
edit: Another one bites the dust.
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations. That one's 6 hours.
Bans have not been a common thing at TDWTF (other than for spam). They have usually been the subject of much discussion (publicly and among staff) and have certainly followed warnings that were ignored.
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Oh hey look, it's a rogue admin throwing a temper tantrum over muh natzees! Make a wish!
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@loopback0 said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
edit: Another one bites the dust.
I really need to set up some way to allow non-staff to see ban durations. That one's 6 hours.
Also: add a "ban reason" field that has a minimum character count and is publicly visible
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@error there is a "ban reason" field but I'm not sure where it goes other than the audit log
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O_o
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I feel like the ideological clashes between the left and right are so vitriolic because both sides feel like they're defending what is morally right, but their morals are diametrically opposed.
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@error Vitriolic does describe it, but the vitriol is only coming from one side. Only one side here is banning and removing admin status from people who have been here for years for what seem to be mildly off-color jokes. The other side is just staring in disbelief and complaining. And getting banned.
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@blek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error Vitriolic does describe it, but the vitriol is only coming from one side. Only one side here is banning and removing admin status from people who have been here for years for what seem to be mildly off-color jokes. The other side is just staring in disbelief and complaining. And getting banned.
So your argument is that the bigotry is too polite for anyone to take action against it?
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@blek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error Vitriolic does describe it, but the vitriol is only coming from one side. Only one side here is banning and removing admin status from people who have been here for years for what seem to be mildly off-color jokes. The other side is just staring in disbelief and complaining. And getting banned.
So your argument is that the bigotry is too polite for anyone to take action against it?
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@error said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
now I have to read it to find out what happened
You could also do like me
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@ben_lubar I'm not making any argument, I've seen this exact same thing happen too many times to bother trying. There's no argument anyone could make to change your mind. The best I can do is ask you to please go do something else and don't think about the forum for at least 12 hours, so you can simmer down a bit, but I have a feeling you won't do that either because you can't abandon your righteous crusade against those omnipresent neo-nazis - so I'll just sit here and watch the forums explode like so many before them. It's a tale as old as the internet, really.
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@blek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@ben_lubar I'm not making any argument, I've seen this exact same thing happen too many times to bother trying. There's no argument anyone could make to change your mind. The best I can do is ask you to please go do something else and don't think about the forum for at least 12 hours, so you can simmer down a bit, but I have a feeling you won't do that either because you can't abandon your righteous crusade against those omnipresent neo-nazis - so I'll just sit here and watch the forums explode like so many before them. It's a tale as old as the internet, really.
Too bad it had to happen to a hive of scum and villainy like this one.
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@ben_lubar said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@blek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error Vitriolic does describe it, but the vitriol is only coming from one side. Only one side here is banning and removing admin status from people who have been here for years for what seem to be mildly off-color jokes. The other side is just staring in disbelief and complaining. And getting banned.
So your argument is that the bigotry is too polite for anyone to take action against it?
I think people are confused about your repeated claims of bigotry. (I know I sure am.) You never did explain your actions in the police thread, for instance. And you seem to be mistaking criticism of your actions for bigotry here in this thread.
Likening people to neo-nazis seems more bigoted to me than anything anyone else has said. But I'm still not really sure if you were talking about me with that. Seriously, could you please clarify?
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@blek said in Discussion of NodeBB Updates:
@error Vitriolic does describe it, but the vitriol is only coming from one side. Only one side here is banning and removing admin status from people who have been here for years for what seem to be mildly off-color jokes. The other side is just staring in disbelief and complaining. And getting banned.
Eh, there's always been wars going on here, but we seem to have come to the policy that that's fine, within designated areas. (The Salon had the explicit goal of avoiding , but it just seems to be the same fighting with nicer language.)
No, the difference is that there is a power imbalance between the people following the rules and those enforcing them, and I don't think I need to point out the irony in that.
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@abarker Well, I don't think this will actually kill the forums. It might make some of the regulars leave for good, but hopefully they'll swing by one more time so we can establish some other line of communication.