Another SJW hoax.
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@xaade said in Another SJW hoax.:
But you can also think they are adorable, but not inferior.
Agreed. I was suggesting "inferior + adorable" as an alternative to "inferior and I hate them".
@xaade said in Another SJW hoax.:
At the point where you begin to suppose that motivation based solely on skin color
When did I do that? I said if someone adopts dreadlocks for that reason, they'd be racist. In my experience, people often claim that exact logic for wanting dreads. Not everyone, of course, but if they openly claim it, they're racist.
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
In my experience, people often claim that exact logic for wanting dreads.
You've had an experience where someone adopted dreads because they were adorable, as mimicry, while saying that black people are inferior?
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@xaade Adorable? No. Re-read my post.
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@Yamikuronue ???
Then the other option is that they literally hate black people but they like the hairstyle.
Unless there was another option you were thinking of when you said, "often claim that exact logic".
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
"It looks good on me" is not a racist reason, but "I want to look like a thug and black people are all thuggish brutes so I'll dress up like one of them to make me look tough" is.
Read the goddamn post.
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@Yamikuronue Sorry, I didn't reach back that far.
Ok, so they want to look like a thuggish brute, so they pick a hairstyle that makes them look like a thuggish brute.
The point where racism comes in, is where they say that they specifically chose that hairstyle because black people use it, and they believe ALL black people to be inferior in this manner.
I'd agree that this is racist.
However, I'd question whether they're choosing it specifically because of black people, or because of the sub-culture that specific blacks belong to.
A LOT of the time, it's not really racism, it's culturalism.
The distinction isn't really that important when discussion PROBLEMS, only when SOLUTIONS are discussed.
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
@xaade Also, look, I'm not getting into this with you. I'm arguing a very specific point here, and I'm not going to get dragged into a larger argument right now.
You want to keep things SMALL. So you're microaggressing him?
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I set up my Chrome to automagically replace 'sjw' with 'skeleton warrior'.
I love this thread a lot.
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@AyGeePlus said in Another SJW hoax.:
I set up my Chrome to automagically replace 'sjw' with 'skeleton warrior'.
I love this thread a lot.
I set up my Chrome to automagically replace "I use a Chrome plugin to" with "I'M A HUMORLESS FUCK WHO SAW THIS ON TUMBLR".
:/
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@Lorne-Kates said in Another SJW hoax.:
You want to keep things SMALL.
Use case is more important than the story points.
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
Dreads are not inherently racist, but you can adopt the hairstyle for racist reasons. "It looks good on me" is not a racist reason, but "I want to look like a thug and black people are all thuggish brutes so I'll dress up like one of them to make me look tough" is.
Sounds more like, "Some black people who look like thugs also have dreads. They're cool and I want to look like them."
Especially considering that there is a multi-million (billion?) dollar industry promoting that sort of image, it doesn't sound terribly racist to me to have fallen for that. I would call it poor judgment and hygiene to be sure, but not racist.
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@AyGeePlus said in Another SJW hoax.:
I set up my Chrome to automagically replace 'sjw' with 'skeleton warrior'.
What have you got against people with eating disorders you SHITLORD?
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@boomzilla said in Another SJW hoax.:
What have you got against people with eating disorders you SHITLORD?
Pictures from that night at the motel.
(replacing 'software' with 'chicanery' is endlessly amusing to me.)
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I reckon I could.
A lot of SJW crap involves racism and sexism ...
They hate white men for crimes their great - great - great - grandfathers apparently did, even though most white people were dirt poor throughout the 19th and 20th century.
They want women to be "more equal" than men, when young women in the UK are more likely to go to university than men.
When you question them they throw a fucking fit and got to their "safe space".
I fucking hate SJW because they are fucking cunts that want the lowest common denominator to be prevalent.
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@dkf said in Another SJW hoax.:
Or a general time-out for everyone. Go and do something useful for a while, folks.
Good news! The forum has general time-outs built in now!
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@lucas1 said in Another SJW hoax.:
want the lowest common denominator to be prevalent.
It already is prevalent. After all, you're allowed to post here.
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@loopback0 said in Another SJW hoax.:
The forum has general time-outs built in now!
Discourse had that too. BANHAMMER NO LONGER WELCOME HERE
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@tufty and by extension you would be included.
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@boomzilla said in Another SJW hoax.:
The "is wrong" is implied in the use of "cultural appropriation."
Maybe it shouldn't be?
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@Buddy said in Another SJW hoax.:
Maybe it shouldn't be?
Yes, we have a giant thread where a bunch of us try to explain that to people. Good luck.
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@boomzilla said in Another SJW hoax.:
@Buddy said in Another SJW hoax.:
Maybe it shouldn't be?
Yes, we have a giant thread where a bunch of us try to explain that to people. Good luck.
We had a news thing a couple years ago round here where someone from a local tourism company objected to an email they received from another company, calling it cultural appropriation. Everybody thought they were total racists, we had a spokesperson for the local peoples making a statement about “...how disappointing it is, after all the progress we've made, that there are still people who would reject our culture like that”. So the negative connotation of cultural appropriation can't be as universal as you're making out it is.
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@Buddy said in Another SJW hoax.:
So the negative connotation of cultural appropriation can't be as universal as you're making out it is.
Obviously @Yamikuronue wasn't meaning to use it. Even though her own link about it talked a lot about that.
I agree that people will use words differently. But when "cultural appropriation" is used by SJWs, there's definitely a lot of negativity, and that's the context of this thread.
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@lucas1 Nah, I'm worse than that.
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@boomzilla I had pagination on and I didn't realise it, so I missed almost all the posts between the one I originally replied to and here. Brb
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
Yoga's pretty much cool in my book, as it's usually just done for exercise
Ok, now I'm confused. I thought the issue with appropriation was when people took things out of context. Isn't actual yoga really spiritual? I would have thought doing it just for exercise would be more appropriative than going full hippie with it.
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@Buddy said in Another SJW hoax.:
I would have thought doing it just for exercise would be more appropriative than going full hippie with it.
Yeah, the arguments about cultural appropriation of yoga were pretty much exactly that: ignoring or at least downplaying all the associated spiritual stuff.
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@boomzilla ok, that doesn't seem to have cleared it up for me. A SJW is someone who who disapproves of cultural appropriation? Because I'm sure there's plenty of moderates who would disapprove of, say, the shroud of Turin being used as a tablecloth, or the flag as toilet paper.
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@Buddy said in Another SJW hoax.:
@boomzilla ok, that doesn't seem to have cleared it up for me. A SJW is someone who who disapproves of cultural appropriation? Because I'm sure there's plenty of moderates who would disapprove of, say, the shroud of Turin being used as a tablecloth, or the flag as toilet paper.
Those don't sound like cultural appropriation to me. I hesitate to have this argument again. The original thread is here (not that you can tell from the title any more):
You're leaving out the ridiculous thing. Doing offensive things is offensive. Like, I dunno, maybe a Borat style routine making fun of yoga in some ridiculous manner. As opposed to people doing something derived from "original" yoga as a fitness activity.
I believe we discussed that offensive things are offensive for reasons different than "cultural appropriation's" reasoning, which is that you aren't reverent enough and doing the cultural thing authentically enough (though talking about authenticity can get you into a whole 'nother ball of trouble).
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You know, this endless argument about SJWs would be more appropriate in the "something something hitler something" thread (find your own damn link), since that was kind of the whole point of that thread. This one's supposed to be about SJW hoaxes.
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@boomzilla fair enough. Iirc the point was to figure out the definition of SJW, not cultural appropriation, anyway.
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@Buddy We practically live in the weeds around here.
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@boomzilla I heard one guy made it on to the green a while ago, was never heard from again...
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@anotherusername The "cultural appropriation" stuff belongs in the thread with the original fox flamewar about it, though.
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Just don't call it yoga; then it's only "stretching".
Then if they insist on calling it appropriation, we can say it means we can't do a little dance when we stub our toe because we'll be misappropriating rain dances.
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@xaade Why is it that any time you try to defend things as not being racist you come off sounding more racist than the original thing? Seriously, from the sound of it you know jack shit about Native American spirituality, and you're coming off as very belittling of their culture. Many Native Americans are very closed-mouthed about their actual practices, not wanting the greater American culture to assimilate and basically yoga-fy their practices, so it's seriously not cool to stereotype like that.
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@Buddy said in Another SJW hoax.:
@boomzilla I heard one guy made it on to the green a while ago, was never heard from again...
Goddamn you play golf with some harsh rules.
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@Yamikuronue they do rain dances in lots of places. Why are you targeting just one of them?
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@boomzilla said in Another SJW hoax.:
We practically live in the weeds around here.
I didn't know you were based near Denver?
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
Why is it that any time you try to defend things as not being racist you come off sounding more racist than the original thing?
Because you see with racist lens.
I'm saying that progressive identity politics (especially white New England and California people who know nothing of native american culture) would misidentify a stubbed toe as a raindance in order to further their stupid arguments.
@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
Seriously, from the sound of it you know jack shit about Native American spirituality
Nice assumption.
Given that my sister participated in their dances, I probably know nothing of their culture, whatsoever.
Bet I know jack-shit about Creole African Americans either.
@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
you're coming off as very belittling of their culture
No, I'm belittling identity politics.
Native Americans are cool.
Progressive identity politics is stupid.
@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
Many Native Americans are very closed-mouthed about their actual practices
There you go with that "many" and "most" again. Arbitrary wild ass guesses.
@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
it's seriously not cool to stereotype like that
Again, I'm not stereotyping them.
I'm stereotyping illogical progressives.
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@xaade said in Another SJW hoax.:
Given that my sister participated in their dances
Which part involved stubbing her toe?
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You cannot possibly be that obstinately dense.
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@xaade I told you I don't want to get into an extended debate with you, and I still don't. You're arrogant, dismissive, and have trouble even sticking to a single topic. What's the point? So I went for a flippant reply instead.
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@Yamikuronue said in Another SJW hoax.:
You're arrogant, dismissive, and have trouble even sticking to a single topic.
Pot, meet kettle.
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I purposefully stopped replying to you.
Yet you insist that you don't want to get into a debate with me.
Are you going to follow me around to other topics and complain about how you don't want to argue with me?
It's very easy.
I'd venture that at least 80% of the screen isn't a reply button.
You can't defend the stupidity of identity politics, so you try to say I'm racist when I point that out with satirical examples of their tactics.
You don't know me. Please don't assume what I do and don't know about my own heritage.
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@xaade Fuck right off. You sit here antagonizing me in the same post you're claiming to have disengaged.
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@xaade said in Another SJW hoax.:
Just don't call it yoga; then it's only "stretching".
Then if they insist on calling it appropriation, we can say it means we can't do a little dance when we stub our toe because we'll be misappropriating rain dances.
Please show me in this quote where Yami or kuronue shows up.
At this point, it's not even worth it.
Not even debating the points anymore. Just debating about debating the points.