Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems
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@Lorne-Kates Hah no, I just want to play the AAA game for it.
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@Zecc said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
even without jellypotato.Sorry, I've been washing my fursuit. What's jellypotato?
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@drurowin said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
What's jellypotato?
https://what.thedailywtf.com/topic/19918/i-haz-important-questionz/
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@ben_lubar Now you remembered that, can you send a dozen cats from the shelter you work on to @blakeyrat? just to be sure
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@fbmac I'm not an adoption counselor, I just play with the cats.
You can look at them, but I'm not authorized to let you touch them. Ask at the front desk for that:
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@ben_lubar loved the way they described the cats personalities there
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@fbmac "Dumb animal." "Stupid as hell." "Licks his own balls."
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@PJH said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
Horzontal rules are WAY too faint:
Changed from
#eee
to#777
This fix is still broken. In addition to inside posts, it also applies to the
<hr>
in every topic under post 1, under the thread tools. Can you please either just make all horizontal rules the same style everywhere, or make the darker style only apply when they're inside posts?
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Sorry, I've been washing my fursuit. What's jellypotato?
As answered by aliceif.
To clarify, in this particular case I was referring to the effect of posts being pushed down by images loading late.
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@ben_lubar Now you remembered that, can you send a dozen cats from the shelter you work on to @blakeyrat? just to be sure
@ben_lubar how much does shipping cost? Do we get a bulk discount if we fill an entire shipping container?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@ben_lubar Now you remembered that, can you send a dozen cats from the shelter you work on to @blakeyrat? just to be sure
@ben_lubar how much does shipping cost? Do we get a bulk discount if we fill an entire shipping container?
shipping is free if you really believe it in your heart.
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@ben_lubar said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@Lorne-Kates said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@ben_lubar Now you remembered that, can you send a dozen cats from the shelter you work on to @blakeyrat? just to be sure
@ben_lubar how much does shipping cost? Do we get a bulk discount if we fill an entire shipping container?
shipping is free if you really believe it in your heart.
Jesus M. Christ, if that's shipping I don't wanna know what handling is
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I accidentally clicked "mark all notifications read" instead of "see all notifications".
It seems the number of notifications loaded on the notifications page when there are no unread notifications is just about right to fit my screen's height and avoid the need to scroll.
The only way I found to load my older notifications was to unmaximize the window and resize it to a smaller height so I could generate a scroll event.
And then as I was going through my old notifications figuring out whether I missed something, a new notification came up and refreshed the page.
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@Zecc said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
a new notification came up and refreshed the page.
That's still happening? I thought they fixed that...
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@ben_lubar said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
I'm not an adoption counselor, I just play with the cats.
So you're just there as practice for becoming a crazy cat lady?
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@FrostCat said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
crazy cat lady
Sometimes when I have my back to the door, someone will walk up to it and say "oh! I thought that was a cat, but it's a lady." This has happened several times.
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When filtering the Unread page to New Topics only, I see topics that are about as OLD AS IT'S POSSIBLE FOR A TOPIC TO BE!
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
New Topics
AKA topics that you haven't read at all. NodeBB doesn't know about Community Server's read tracking.
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
When filtering the Unread page to New Topics only, I see topics that are about as OLD AS IT'S POSSIBLE FOR A TOPIC TO BE!
The time that you circled is the creation date of the topic. Since it was necro'd (and apparently you haven't visited that particular topic since the import), NodeBB considers it "new". From that screenshot, you can tell that @arcanine replied 18 minutes ago, which is why it appears above the ASP.Net topic.
Not a bug.
Edit: And 'd because the composer covered up @ben_lubar's reply.
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"New topics" != "Topics I haven't read at all". Those are two entirely different things.
So either the code is a buggy broken pile of shit, or the phrase "new topics" needs to be replaced with one that actually says what the feature does. And then add a real working "new topics", because that's the fucking feature I wanted in the first place.
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@blakeyrat said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
"New topics" != "Topics I haven't read at all". Those are two entirely different things.
They sound very much the same to me.
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@boomzilla No, a new topic is a topic that was created less than 2 years ago.
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@fbmac LOL, exactly. Now...if there were some date or timeframe somewhere on there, blakey would certainly have a point.
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@boomzilla I agree with his point. You have "unread" to see old topics with new posts. When you ask for new topics you want newly created topics.
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
When you ask for new topics you want newly created topics.
What would you call "a topic I have never entered"?
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@Yamikuronue An old topic I didn't care last year and still didn't care now?
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
When you ask for new topics you want newly created topics.
When we were talking about this before, it was about new topics that you hadn't read yet. I still would like to get some sort of indicator there. Also something showing the difference between my bookmark and the last post, to get an idea of how many posts I have still to read.
Without an explicit date showing (because you guys would totally bitch about whatever date got chosen behind the scenes) you're just imagining stuff by saying that a new topic has to be defined temporally. The most important quality of it is that you haven't interacted with it.
Obviously, going through multiple imports has caused some weird side effects, but I have literally zero sympathy for this particular rant.
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@boomzilla users want it, why do you hate users?
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@boomzilla You might not, but others do.
This project lacks the basic indications that even the toxic hellstew forums have, viz:
- I have seen all new messages in this thread
- I have posted to this thread.
Nor does it have, as far as I can tell, a non-threaded "latest posts".
Approximately as much effort has been made on designing usability into this forum as Ben takes in testing his changes to it.
You may feel that "new" means "I have't interacted with it", but pretty much everyone else takes it as meaning, y'know, "new".
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@boomzilla users want it, why do you hate users?
Experience.
@tufty said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
You may feel that "new" means "I have't interacted with it", but pretty much everyone else takes it as meaning, y'know, "new".
I'm not getting it.
But seriously, that's fine as a feature request. But if it acted like some people here seem to think it should, I would call it terribly confusing by acting on unseen information instead of doing what it says it will do.
Like the date cutoff for unread stuff. That seems wrong to me, too, but I can understand why it's that way for performance reasons. Should be mentioned somewhere that it ignores topics that haven't had a new post in two weeks or whatever.
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@tufty said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
You may feel that "new" means "I have't interacted with it", but pretty much everyone else takes it as meaning, y'know, "new".
A thread I've never seen is new to me.
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@boomzilla the technical difference between a bug and a feature request is if it matches what was in the software requirements or specification or something.
as there is no requirements or specification for NodeBB, it's 100% bug-free
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@fbmac Meh...that's too philosophical for 8am. Human language is ambiguous and some of you are assuming additional information is available that actually isn't when you make your assumptions. I get how one could think the way you're thinking on first impression, but it clearly doesn't hold up without making additional assumptions.
Therefore @jaloopa and I are correct.
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@Jaloopa said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@tufty said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
You may feel that "new" means "I have't interacted with it", but pretty much everyone else takes it as meaning, y'know, "new".
A thread I've never seen is new to me.
But if you saw it's title listed, you seen it. If you choose to not enter it in the past 8 years, you can hardly claim it's new.
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
But if you saw it's title listed, you seen it. If you choose to not enter it in the past 8 years, you can hardly claim it's new.
And how should the software know you are ignoring that topic? Magic and wizardry? I might just be "meh ... read that later" and then it should stay on my "new" lists. I don't want topics gone from "new" just because I went on and read some other topics.
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@Luhmann the software know the topic creation date, so it knows when a topic is "new". Whatever you do to a topic doesn't affect it's state of being new.
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
If you choose to not enter it in the past 8 years, you can hardly claim it's new
I haven't seen it in the past 8 years. It was way down the list when I first started reading CS, wasn't imported by Discourse and only showed up when you necroed it. It would look pretty buggy if a thread I'd never seen didn't appear in new
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
the topic creation date
that has nothing to do with new to me or not. What if I come back after a few days? Or I might want to postpone reading a topic until tomorrow.
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@Luhmann I have a new car to sell to you. It's certainly new to you, as you never seen it, so I can charge the price of a brand new car.
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@fbmac it's not a new car therefore I can't drive it while my wife is driving the car I already have
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@Luhmann I have a new car to sell to you. It's certainly new to you, as you never seen it, so I can charge the price of a brand new car.
Based on what you've said, that means it rolled off the production line in the last week?
I think it's fine to propose a different definition and function than what we have. It's even fine to point out that perhaps things could be clearer. Just stop pretending that your shoulder aliens are necessarily the obvious interpretation.
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@fbmac
As usual the car analogy doesn't really hold up. So your topics are 'used' if you have entered them?
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@fbmac
How do/should new users get their "new topics" list filled?
Please think about that.
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@Luhmann Used and new are different unrelated concepts.
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@aliceif topics created in the last 72h?
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@fbmac what is so hard for you to understand the meaning of the word "new".
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@Luhmann said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
As usual the car analogy doesn't really hold up. So your topics are 'used' if you have entered them?
If someone else has seen the topic is it used? I'm not sure I want a topic with a hundred or so previous owners, let's remove topics from new as soon as anyone has read them. Including the OP
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@fbmac said in Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems:
@aliceif topics created in the last 72h?
What about low-traffic forums?
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@aliceif I would put it in a setting if I was developing it in a forum