Blakeyrat pointing out NodeBB problems
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@fbmac said:
But I too expected less complains that what we have here, all comments seemed pretty happy with the nodebb choice.
Oh, no. I fully expected a zillion complaints. This group will complain about just about anything. I knew that Discourse had a lot of really cool features. Largely at the expense of performance.
It will be interesting to see what happens here.
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@PJH I had that feeling, but don't worry, as @boomzilla just said, there would be a zillion complaints about anything.
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@aliceif So... you just have to telepathically know those URLs? Or...?
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They're on the menu that appears when you click the circle with the three stacked dots on your profile page
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@cartman82 said:
That top bar is too busy. Since they already decided to stuff the pager in there,
Only if your browser window is 920 * your zoom level pixels wide!!!!! Otherwise it shows at the bottom.
@cartman82 said:
IMO once you scroll away from the top of page, all these little icons should compress into a single hamburger menu. The top bar should be forum logo, topic title, pager and notification widgets. Everything else should be in the hamburger menu.
If by "topic title" you mean "breadcrumb", then yes. IMO the breadcrumb should always be visible on a site. It's stupid to bother to generate one, but then only show it a tiny fraction of the time.
@cartman82 said:
That's not a bug, it's just standard responsive design. And I agree with it.
Yeah, well, you're wrong.
@cartman82 said:
It makes sense to mutate the layout based on your document size, not the device. Browser and device sniffing is what was done before and it sucked.
THIS SUCKS TOO!
@cartman82 said:
That said, your experience definitely sucked and they need to work at making this mobile layout more usable.
Just tell me how to turn it off. Oh wait, you fucking can't.
Because a developer who is so incompetent he can't even ensure all his widgets appear entirely inside his window, he's DICTATING to me what interface I want to use based on a purely bullshit arbitrary number. FUCK HIM.
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@boomzilla said:
Where were you when we were looking for a forum use instead of discourse?
Like I said a billion times, last time my opinion was sought it was entirely ignored. This time I didn't waste the effort in providing one.
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@RaceProUK said:
They're on the menu that appears when you click the circle with the three stacked dots on your profile page
WTF?! Seriously? I didn't even realize that was a widget, much less a menu. Christ.
Are we the first human beings to use this software?
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@blakeyrat Yeah, but why didn't you help out and complain about stuff then?
BTW, I hear the Chevy Volt is a thing.
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@boomzilla Fuck off.
This is all obvious shit that ANYBODY who claims to be a software developer should have noticed in less than 5 minutes. It's not my fault open source developers are idiots who don't know how to write usable software. I just get subjected to their lame misguided attempts to.
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@blakeyrat said:
@boomzilla Fuck off.
This is all obvious shit that ANYBODY who claims to be a software developer should have noticed in less than 5 minutes.
Fuck off.
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@boomzilla said:
Fuck off.
You know what? I will. Since this forum software's unusable right now.
Someone ping me with I can use the zoom feature of my browser without fucking up basically EVERYTHING on this shitty broken forum UI.
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@blakeyrat said:
You know what? I will. Since this forum software's unusable right now.
Someone ping me with I can use the zoom feature of my browser without fucking up basically EVERYTHING on this shitty broken forum UI.
Wanna go back to Discourse?
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@cartman82 said:
@blakeyrat said:
You know what? I will. Since this forum software's unusable right now.
Someone ping me with I can use the zoom feature of my browser without fucking up basically EVERYTHING on this shitty broken forum UI.
Wanna go back to Discourse?
I do.
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@cartman82 said:
Wanna go back to Discourse?
When we started looking at other options, it was clear that there's a lot of nice stuff on Discourse that doesn't exist on other forums.
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@boomzilla said:
@cartman82 said:
Wanna go back to Discourse?
When we started looking at other options, it was clear that there's a lot of nice stuff on Discourse that doesn't exist on other forums.
Like having been used on an actual forum before?
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@boomzilla said:
When we started looking at other options, it was clear that there's a lot of nice stuff on Discourse that doesn't exist on other forums.
Honestly, this software is workable for me. It's about as buggy as Discourse was when we first started using it. Not a catastrophe.
These high strung whiners will have their meltdowns and so long threads, then be back once they cool off. As usual.
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@cartman82 said:
These high strung whiners will have their meltdowns and so long threads, then be back once they cool off. As usual.
Agreed. I'm going to miss some of the things discourse did for a while, but I guess I'll get over them. It's the hysterics that mostly annoy me. Like showing a different editor based on their window size is giving people cancer or something.
Maybe I should move some of these topics to the "Look at Me!" category.
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@boomzilla said:
Maybe I should move some of these topics to the "Look at Me!" category.
Do that, then I can mute that category and not have to read the toxic waste
Edit: Except @blakeyrat's post about testing with different browser zooms; that's actually good advice.
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@RaceProUK said:
Do that, then I can mute that category and not have to read the toxic waste
Just let "Meta" on mute this week. I consider this first week as the admins will be messing with the server a lot week.
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There are three plans of action:
- Stay on NodeBB and report bugs/submit PRs. This gives us more bugs in the short term but less bugs in the long term.
- Go back to Discourse and pretend this import never happened. This gives us more bugs in the short term and no bug fixes ever in the long term.
- Start another migration to yet another forum software. From past experience, I can guarantee that we will find thousands of bugs in the first day no matter what software we switch to. Also I'll probably die if I try to do another migration that soon.
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@ben_lubar you did a great job on migration, and I doubt a significant amount of users would really wan't to undo it.
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@fbmac I'm sure a significant number of users want to unbreak it, though.
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@blakeyrat said:
This is all obvious shit that ANYBODY who claims to be a software developer should have noticed in less than 5 minutes.
Not even you, closed-source God (in his own mind) would be able to do that, you cranky Internet troll. Why don't you get out of your basement and go do the stuff you do when you're not here, poison the neighbor's cats or whatever.
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I know @boomzilla and @accalia are both willing to unbreak NodeBB; @boomzilla's fixing his addition, and there's some of @accalia's code somewhere in this system too
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The Unread Topics view doesn't have a New Topic button.
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@fbmac said:
@ben_lubar you did a great job on migration, and I doubt a significant amount of users would really wan't to undo it.
It's true, migration has worked, we appear to have pretty much all our content intact. For that, bravo.
On the other hand, I'd really like to be / to have been migrated to a tried and tested (and, frankly, boring) "classic" forum system, rather than someone's idea of what a forum system for the future should be. 'cause, far as I can tell, "X for the future" in web design terms appears to be "fuck loads of stupid wasted white space interspersed with cryptic icons conveying no meaning". And bugs.
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There was a long discussion, and online test instances for months before they even started working on it.
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@asdf said:
And since we chose NodeBB because it's more mature than Flarum, I'm glad I never used Flarum.
Then again, it might be that it's actually better but the devs didn't feel as confident?
I'd install flarum and check, but I'm too lazy.
@RaceProUK said:
I know @boomzilla and @accalia are both willing to unbreak NodeBB; @boomzilla's fixing his addition, and there's some of @accalia's code somewhere in this system too
I'd say I'm in as well but... well, you know how my free time when I can concentrate on coding is working out lately from... other projects (yes, I feel like shit for not contributing there).
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@Onyx said:
Then again, it might be that it's actually better but the devs didn't feel as confident?
Yeah that. We liked flarum a little more but the devs flat out said "no, we aren't ready"
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@sloosecannon said:
@Onyx said:
Then again, it might be that it's actually better but the devs didn't feel as confident?
Yeah that. We liked flarum a little more but the devs flat out said "no, we aren't ready"
They took one look at the meta rants against Discourse and hightailed away from us.
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@Onyx said:
Then again, it might be that it's actually better but the devs didn't feel as confident?
Nah, we tried it and it wasn't ready (IMO).
I might update the test instance, see if it got any better.
edit: it's only gone from 0.10.0-beta2 to 0.10.0-beta4.
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@Onyx said:
Then again, it might be that it's actually better but the devs didn't feel as confident?
I'd install flarum and check, but I'm too lazy.
Eh...I remember there being some pretty big things missing. Dig around in the meta / migration category for the flarum topic if you really want details. I have no idea how things have matured over there since we first looked at it.
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@Yamikuronue said:
Yeah, most of them use window-width queries as a proxy for screen size:
Well, it makes sense to test window size. After all, it is the window that the UI must fit in. However, IMNSHO, the size in ems should be used. Because, with the large variation of pixel densities, especially on mobiles, that is the actual measure how much space is available.
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If you have
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1.0">
in the<head>
, the browser corrects for pixel density
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I can see landscape mode is still broken beyond belief on mobile...
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@Tsaukpaetra That's desktop mode on a phone.
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@RaceProUK said:
I know @boomzilla and @accalia are both willing to unbreak NodeBB; @boomzilla's fixing his addition, and there's some of @accalia's code somewhere in this system too
I might be willing to work on some frontend bugs, if they're easy to fix. I really don't want to touch node.js, though.
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@Onyx said:
I'd install flarum and check, but I'm too lazy.
I just tried to do that, but the download link is broken.
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@blakeyrat said:
You know what? I will. Since this forum software's unusable right now.
Do we have another rage quit?
If so, many InternetPointzzzzz to NodeBB.
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Maybe this time it'll be permanent?
And maybe pigs will be the first to land on Mars…
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OK, I just set up a Flarum test instance to check. Looks nice, but really isn't ready for a big forum yet. It already has a few essential features that NodeBB still inexplicably lacks, though, like notification settings (I don't give a shit about likes) and the ability to mute a topic.
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@Onyx said:
Then again, it might be that it's actually better but the devs didn't feel as confident?
I'd install flarum and check, but I'm too lazy.
I tested flarum. everything implemented looks good, but there's a ton of basic things missing.
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So... the ONLY time the stupid "jump to last unread message" toaster appears for me is when I mark this thread as unread (and it says "marked successfully as unread" right there), go back to the unread page, wonder why this fucking thread is still there and still top of the list, and click on it. I.e. when there is no unread post.
Edit: Nevermind, I should read what the button says.
Who the fuck needs a big "Mark as unread" button? And why is there no equally big "mark as read" button?
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Two this morning:
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Every time there's a new post, the link on the "Unread" page slides out from underneath my mouse , causing me to click on the wrong link. MOVING UI ELEMENTS OUT FROM UNDER THE MOUSE AGAIN! Are... are mouses brand-new to these developers? Like brand new mystery devices they have no idea how to deal with?
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Notification "bell" think says I have 5 unread notifications. Only three are shown when I pull down the menu. So if you "notified" me of something this morning, there's a 40% chance I didn't see it.
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