Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.
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I wonder what I've been viewing PDFs in with Edge since I upgraded, then?
it's my character sheet for the sekret PM club. it's an editable form that i need to edit and save between sessions.
Edge does not handle it gracefully.
though to be honest with my skills of PDF creation it's probably it takes a look at the PDF and goes "i ain't touching that"
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PDF editable forms
they are magic demon jizz on toast
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magic demon jizz on toast
That sounds kinda scary, but just enough exciting to want to research more...
Filed under: Engine, since when has the word "Research" been
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Yeah, I'm torn between "It's a good thing that people get upgrades/updates" and "WTF why are you forcing me to do things???"
I do kinda wish they would back off a little bit though - if only because it makes all my IT friends hate the OS and put me in the awkward position of having to defend it. The question is how much should they back off - they definitely don't want another Windows XP....
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I no longer remember how to do it, but that's not true--Sony requested AMD write their installer to block it for you, but there's a way to unpack the installer and run it anyway
I seem to remember that the driver installed (I tried to upgrade to Win8 some time ago), but hardware acceleration was completely fucked up. Either way upgrading is not that huge of a benefit to warrant effort.
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Javascript-based forms
I mean, IIRC, they all are js based. It's horrifying, but I think that's how the forms work behind-the-scenes
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it's my character sheet for the sekret PM club. it's an editable form that i need to edit and save between sessions.
Why use an editable PDF when you have Excel? Even if editable PDFs are
@accalia said:magic demon jizz on toast
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Hmm… the update is in the list on Windows 8.1 as well…
/me unchecks the checkbox and clicks OK (something a certain article writer probably didn't do), and Windows Update is currently not installing Windows 10
/me would also like to point out that this particular Windows 8.1 machine has already been registered for the Windows 10 upgrade, and has been for months, and she simply hasn't got around to actually applying the upgrade yet
/me is willing to bet a certain article writer also registered their machine for the update, then forgot they did it
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They will soon be back, and in greater numbers.
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They will soon be back, and in greater numbers.
Funny enough, I fresh installed Windows 7 SP0. There were only about 15 updates until SP1, then another 12 after that.
It seems the patches to fix the patches run around the block...
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Certain patches have to be installed in a specific order as well, so it does take a few rounds to get all of them
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Windows Update is weird. Sometimes it's like "Update for Internet Explorer 8, Update for Internet Explorer 8, Update for Internet Explorer 8", then at the end... "Internet Explorer 11".
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Update or not - I would be happy if that was the dilemma.
I wanted to make the update from Win8.1 to Win10...First attempt: after installation reboots to black screen, does not accept any inputs
With some tricks like safe mode or recovery disk I book Win8.1 again.Second attempt: idiotic message "something went wrong", after reboot the whole extended parition which contained the windows installation is corrupted.
(Fortunately it did not corrupt the whole disk and that I don't have anything important on windows)I don't have time to try again.
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disabled Cortana
Wasn't working for me either way, apparently my region isn't supported. And my language settings don't match the region, so apparently I'm doubly unsupported.
Weird thing is, I tried the Cortana app on my android phone for fun, and there it works. No complaints about region or other stuff.
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GWX Control Panel still works AFAIK.
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@anonymous234 said:
You don't need your scanning tunneling microscope to be able to run Microsoft Word.
But it needs Solitaire, how else are you supposed to spend time while it scan the patient ?
You really shouldn't be using that on a patient…
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I really really doubt Microsoft wants you to use Windows on a machine that will kill someone if it stops working.
Chances are the EULA will protect them from legal problems if someone does.See, Apple doesn't have these problems. They don't have to pretend they're giving you a choice. They'd just say "you'll install the new OS X, and you'll LIKE IT".
With the difference that OS X doesn’t simply install it without asking:
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Last week my 8.1 work PC popped up a dialogue something about thanking me for choosing to install windows 10. I had done no such thing because workmates were having all kinds of issues with it so I am delaying as long as possible.
I had already tried removing the task that steals focus every time I unlock it. This was successful until another auto update reinstalled the focus stealing pop-up.
Interestingly my home windows 7 PC has been silent about the subject of windows 10, except when I have to go into Internet Explorer.
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You really shouldn't be using that on a patient…
So, doctor, what does my scan look like?
Jack of Spades.
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@CatPlusPlus said:
My laptop (fucking VAIO) can't be upgraded from Win7, because the GPU is special and AMD drivers don't work with it
I no longer remember how to do it, but that's not true--Sony requested AMD write their installer to block it for you, but there's a way to unpack the installer and run it anyway. I had to do it with a Dell years ago.
I remember having a possibly similar adventure fighting with Windows and AMD:
https://what.thedailywtf.com/t/seriously-guyz/4894/159?u=boomzilla
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"Update for Internet Explorer X" can frequently actually mean "Update to MSHTML.DLL". Despite being a core part of the OS, Microsoft generally considers MSHTML.DLL as "Internet Explorer". (IE itself is a rather tiny application.)
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W10 has some good points, but whoever is pushing their business side.... seriously dude, you need to stop. You're not doing MS any favors. Also, we are entering the lawsuit territory here, with some of these small business who couldn't get their work done because of this.
You can have my Win7 when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.
I have it on my portable mini-pc, and while I don't think it is BAD (per se), I see zero compelling reason to get rid of 7 on my main, until I am good and ready, and/or they present a compelling reason to do so (and no, DX12 isn't a compelling reason for me).
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portable
this should be a compelling reason. Supposedly 8 and later did a lot of work around timer/interrupt processing to coalesce multiple events down to one, with the goal of letting the CPU sleep more of each second.
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[shrug]
It's on my portable mini laptop.
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Oh, got it--I misunderstood.
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no problemo ;)
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Yeah, like @FrostCat said, the biggest compelling reason is better performance......
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My main is screaming fast. It is running on an SSD, has max RAM, and a dedicated GPU. I NEVER have to wait for the operating system or the application layer. Usually the bottleneck is internet speeds. Zero incentive, my friend ;)
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There's also the security improvements ;)
Though admittedly a lot of them will have been backported to 7 as well. The hotfixes, anyway.
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Until 7 reaches end-of-life, like XP did recently, and they stop putting out security patches to the unwashed masses entirely, imma go ahead and say I am OK with getting my plebeian, hand-me-down hotfix security patches in 7 for now ;)
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Well, how else are viruses supposed to infect them?
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Same way viruses spread on any other machine: idiot users running as Admin, opening strange e-mail attachments and clicking 'OK' and 'Yes' on every popup without reading anything. Because dammit, they want to see the dancing kittens!
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But UAC sucks and ruins my workflow so I'm disabling it because m$ is stupid. And also m$ sucks
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I call BS on this.
I installed Windows 7 SP1 a few weeks ago and had 220ish updates to install.
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I call BS on this.
You have Bob Saget's number? ;)
I installed Windows 7 SP1 a few weeks ago and had 220ish updates to install.
Maybe I just didn't wait long enough? I'll turn it on again tonight and check again, maybe (I think @RaceProUK suggested it above) it just needed to do pre-requisites first and then think about it for a few days (taking up all 512 Mb of RAM plus pagefile space and CPU time) and then come up with my magic hundreds-long list?
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To be fair, I did install the Update to Windows Update in advance because the version in Windows 7 SP1 tends to have issues.
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Windows Update is optimized for the most number of reboots.
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the version in Windows 7 SP1 tends to have issues.
Need to find a way to slipstream that into the distribution image. It fscking nuts I have to babysit it to make sure that doesn't happen (multiple times in a row).
Windows Update is optimized for the most number of reboots.
Credit where credit is due: It does try to install everything without rebooting, but since so many packages say "Um, yeah, updating system file that is probably in use, add it to the on-reboot-tasks queue" it doesn't want to continue and check again for new updates afterward because stacked updates are .
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Credit where credit is due: It does try to install everything without rebooting, but...
...it fails miserably!
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Actually, a single reboot is fine. I get the need for that. It's not being able to figure how how to update it all in one go that's annoying. Especially since every iteration takes so damn long.
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figure how how to update it all in one go that's annoying
Yeah. Dependencies are a bodge in Windows Update.
Once upon a time, I thought that the reason Windows Update was eating up all the RAM and CPU was that it was walking the update catalog and checking dependencies and re-dependencies for each needed update, but now I'm convinced it's just a memory leak that fails to return the correct value from an soft-infinite loop.
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Windows Update is optimized for the most number of reboots.
and this is why i have slipstreamed most of the windows 7 updates into my install media.... actually it's been about 9 months, probably time to apply the next set of patches to the base install media....
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Windows does have embedded editions, with lots of features and stuff, and it seems to me that if you only need to run a single Windows program on a computer forever then that's the best choice, but apparently no one ever uses them.
Well, kinda, because the CE/EC kernel is independent development. They are intended even for safety-oriented systems. Hell, every VW car contains dozens of them. They are also still used for various single-purpose handheld devices like PND.
Of course, the don't have automatic upgrades.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Meanwhile I'm sitting on my Windows 10 LTSB version that doesn't upgrade anything ever. Sure it has the same bugs as it ever had in he beginning, but nothing new like this has happened.
Then again, It also never had Cortana or Edge either...
I was thinking of trying to convince IT give me a copy of ltsb. How is it working out for you. Do you game on it by any chance?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Yeah. Dependencies are a bodge in Windows Update.
Windows Update is a bodge, but the bodgiest bit of the bodge is that it takes a stupendous amount of resources to figure out what it is doing. WHY? I shouldn't need a supercomputer just to keep an OS up to date. Neither OSX nor any of the Linux variants have this sort of problem, so it can't be insurmountable…
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@dkf said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
Neither OSX nor any of the Linux variants have this sort of problem
They also have proper package managers; Windows doesn't.
Well, OK, Windows has MSI, but that's not really the same sort of thing. And Chocolatey is a long way from being viable, even if only from a market-penetration POV.
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@RaceProUK said in Pressure to upgrade to Windows 10 ratchets up. AGAIN.:
They also have proper package managers; Windows doesn't.
Right, but those also handle any arbitrary thing. Windows updates is just supposed to keep the OS up to fucking date and it fucking sucks. It's worse than the java updater.