I HATE frontend contractors
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If it was a small one-time product yes. Otherwise, that is HORRIBLE idea. You need them in-house, or you cannot shout at them
The one I interviewed once had offices at the USA for people to shout at. You can shout at the phone too, and send angry e-mails.
It will be more expensive
How the fuck can it be more expensive, with a 10X wage difference?
your outsourcing company changes their engineers like napkins
And that one was between the best companies to work for around here, I don't think they lose programmers very frequently. They are probably the exception, anyway, because all their clients were multi-national companies.
and you end up dealing with ghosts that you are not their boss.
I can't think in a good workaround for this.
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The one I interviewed once had offices at the USA for people to shout at.
How would it help if I shout at the secretary who is hired just to take the shit? Without access to engineers, you cannot really manage them.
How the fuck can it be more expensive, with a 10X wage difference?
By project taking 5X more time and with 2X shittier product.
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Can you see it?
ENHANCE
[spoiler][/spoiler]Impossible to miss!
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DISCOVER the way to navigate my shitty website!
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Given past experience with Enlightened and then discojuice, I guess the readership here is high enough that sooner or later she will come for a flamewar.
if I were @cartman82 I would move this to lounge
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How would it help if I shout at the secretary who is hired just to take the shit? Without access to engineers, you cannot really manage them.
Thats probably why they look more in their english-speaking skill than software developing. So you guys can shout at them by phone.
By project taking 5X more time and with 2X shittier product.
And that is how good that is working for them. If I search really hard I can get you a good developer here. But if you want an english-speaking good developer, I can't name you 3 of them.
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Hell, I'd pay for that job...
Hired to just take the shit over phone or in person? That is support job. Only in this case customers are companies outsourcing software.
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I'm looking in their website and there are positions open for developers, testers and QA in NY.
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Large companies may have already fixed outsourcing, by setting up a process they perfected over time. You cannot manage person X unless you pay him. If you pay his boss, then you can manage his boss, and should hope his boss will reflect your requirements. Large companies are too good a deal for any outsourcing company to piss off. If you can hire few people (or a department) to manage your outsourcing then yes it makes sense.
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Well, we were talking about jr. contractors here. You want quality? Thats different™
I will answer your serious and well thought arguments with another WTF:
A security check on a US company has reportedly revealed one of its staff was outsourcing his work to China. (link to BBC)
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jr. contractors
That is self contradictory. A contractor that I want to teach how to code does not make sense. I might teach a junior to be an asset for our company later on, that is different.
A security check on a US company has reportedly revealed one of its staff was outsourcing his work to China.
I liked that article :) I like lazy people who still deliver. If this was illegal for his case and he was caught, that is different story though.
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I liked that article I like lazy people who still deliver. If this was illegal for his case and he was caught, that is different story though.
He violated his NDA and the company security in that case. But I think he had good skills choosing and managing outsourcing contracts
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TIL my existence is contradictory.
What do you mean? Before writing at TDWTF you were writing WTF?
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Your title may have junior, but are you getting paid normally (like an actual contractor, not just some intern) while learning the ropes from experienced senior programmers? If that is the case, your company is they should just hire you.
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Junior in terms of experience. Can't really vouch for how WTF my code is...
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Nah, the companies I contracted for didn't really hand-hold me. But in case of the contract I was alluding to, I was specifically put out by my parent company as "junior .NET developer" - and I had like 3 months total of career experience. Right now, on another contract, I'm just "a dev", and it looks like there's no difference in workloads between me and the rest of the team.
My official job title is still "Trainee" due to some organizational/legal/insurance fuckery we've got.
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Titles do not matter, it matters how much you are worth and how much you get paid. My guess is you are underpaid, and your boss is trying to squeeze this situation for as long as possible. Unless you are waiting for some legal piece of document, or something that needs your continued cooperation you should ask for a raise or switch job. No one but you will want to change that.
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I'm paid rather well, doubt I'd get much better elsewhere. But I'm still amazed how a company can contract out to a big, UK client someone they a) barely know and b) know is fresh out of college.
It's just luck that they decided on someone as amazing and awesome as me. I could've easily burned the client for them if I turned out to be just a tad bit more of a WTF.
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I found it by hitting Ctrl + A.
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That is self contradictory. A contractor that I want to teach how to code does not make sense.
This may be so when you contract directly. But more generally companies hire "contracting firms", who employ junior devs. Those junior devs, when made to work on a project for a client of the contracting company, are junior contractors.
The contracting firm will likely inflate the worth of even the most junior devs, of course, and hope to hide their inexperience with the output of the rest of the team, if more than one dev is contracted.
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a button that only shows up when you hover over it?
What's worse is that (for me) it only appears when you mouse over a supposed "Private area", like they were trying to be suggestive when they command you "DISCOVER" it.
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While it's all smooth, scrolling on her site causes a ~15-20% spike in CPU activity on my Xeon W3520.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned the contact page. It's got a giant blank box like "About Me", with three items at the bottom:
E: [email address]
P:
A:There's nothing for either phone or (I assume) address, but the labels are still there. Clicking on the A reloads the contact page.
Also, I noticed the pages all have wonderfully descriptive urls like
?page_id=1730
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anyone has mentioned
Saw it. didn't think it remarkable that they didn't really want to be interacted with interactively, such as through vocal media.
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I think your boss played you big time.
From the small part of the programmer jargon Jeff pulled off SO that one time, I know that this is called a duck.
How do you say "*nix" in a conversation?
Starnix or Asternix. Obviously.
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The contracting firm will likely inflate the worth of even the most junior devs, of course, and hope to hide their inexperience with the output of the rest of the team, if more than one dev is contracted.
Oh yes.
Back when we were doing more outsourcing work, I remember Boss asking us to dredge every last project we ever even whiffed in passing, to pad up our resumes.
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mumble mumble starnixhole...
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If Unix are men who have had their balls removed at puberty, are *nix men who have had their star-holes plugged?
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I was technically a contractor at my first job before becoming permanent. It came with a nice clause that they could drop me like a hot snot at will with no notice. Not sure if that was legal but I wouldn't have the money to fight it so it effectively was. Is that what your junior is or are you being scammed by a contracting company. Just being nosy.
In relation to your post how long did your resume become? You strike me as the sort of person who wears competence on their sleeve and thus becomes embroiled in everything.
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I was technically a contractor at my first job before becoming permanent. It came with a nice clause that they could drop me like a hot snot at will with no notice. Not sure if that was legal but I wouldn't have the money to fight it so it effectively was. Is that what your junior is or are you being scammed by a contracting company. Just being nosy.
No idea. My guess is, whatever contracts and overhead you're imagining, the reality is much more like a handshake deal between my boss and this guy.
In relation to your post how long did your resume become? You strike me as the sort of person who wears competence on their sleeve and thus becomes embroiled in everything.
I was only doing outsourcing for a week or two, before being whisked away to work on company's own projects. So, I don't think it was very impressive at the time.
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ENHANCE
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Impossible to miss!Even the enhanced version, I had to stare at for a full minute before I could read the first half of the word. Horrible design.
Filed under: Ugly fashion, too.
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Ò_o
That was quick...
Yeah, you couldn't imagine the worse way to start a working relationship.
I'll try to give him a chance to actually code something, but since boss is open to kicking him out, it'll be difficult.
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Wasn't it the boss's idea to hire him...?
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Wasn't it the boss's idea to hire him...?
"See if you can work with him. If not, we'll find someone else."
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See if you can work with him.
But you knew the answer to that before he was hired, no?
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- We must hire someone.
- This is someone.
- Therefore, we must hire him.
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Even the enhanced version, I had to stare at for a full minute before I could read the first half of the word. Horrible design.
Interestingly, it highlights when the cursor goes over any part of the page at that level, not just where the text is. And it was a lot bigger in my browser than the screenshot. The highlight change kind of catches your eye, but of course, you have to do that to begin with and there's no clue that you even should.
@cartman82: was that her site for photography or a site she did for a photographer?
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@cartman82: was that her site for photography or a site she did for a photographer?
My understanding is, the first link is her site (or at least the site of her company), the second one is client work.
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The first site... isn't horrible. I don't like the way that it hijjacks the mouse scroll, but it's at least somewhat normal...ish...
The second one is downright mystery-meat hidden... and I love that the gallery lags on my gaming PC with an i7 and a GTX970...
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I was only doing outsourcing for a week or two, before being whisked away to work on company's own projects.
A week or two? That's hardly enough time to learn where the best coffee vendor nearby is…
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Polo: When I started the VM, all I got is a black console. I don't know what to do.
Me: Did you attach the disk I sent you? How much RAM?After some debugging, it turns out he picked Ubuntu 32 instead of 64, as I told him.
Why? It wasn't in the list.
Why? No VT-X on his laptop.Me: Looks like your laptop either doesn't support VT-X or is disabled in BIOS. IMO if you don't have support for it, you won't be able to use VM properly.
Polo: Can you tell me how can I check in BIOS if it supports "IMO"?
OMG, this guy is an idiot.
At least I don't have to fear he will find me on this or any other English speaking forum.
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I am somewhat waiting for a clientsfromhell entry that describes the whole thing from his perspective.
I am a cheap freelance front end contractor. At some point I was sent do a company. They said they picked me over some super graphic designer-person. So I was obviously very excited to work with them.
Only problem: I couldn't deliver any work.
I worked closely with a guy I will call Kenny82Me: I need access to your work
Kenny82: Download Ubuntu onto this our very own VM via BIOS and VT-X in x86-64 and get to work.
Me: I am a front end developer. What am I supposed to do here?
Kenny82: IMO if you don't have support.
Me: I don't even know what this is.OMG, this Kenny82 is an idiot.
Filed Under: All about perspective
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Hehehe, that Kenny guy is such a jerk.
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At least I don't have to fear he will find me on this or any other English speaking forum.
Hallo, Ich bin Hans. Ich suchte "VT-X + Ubuntu + BIOS" auf Google und dieses thread gefunden.
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Hallo, Ich bin Hans. Ich suchte "VT-X + Ubuntu + BIOS" auf Google und habe diese
sn thread gefunden.Filed Under: HDFDK
Also Filed Under: I don't have a good translation for thread, either...