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@pjh said in In other news today...:
John Hennigan, 50, was handed an 18 month prison sentence after he breached an ASBO by using racist language towards a woman and her two young children.
Of course, TRWTF is that he was jailed for that.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@pjh said in In other news today...:
John Hennigan, 50, was handed an 18 month prison sentence after he breached an ASBO by using racist language towards a woman and her two young children.
Of course, TRWTF is that he was jailed for that.
An ASBO is basically a court-order to not be a complete asshole. So he persisted in being an asshole and got jailed for ignoring the court. I think it's a good idea, if you don't want to comply with the bare-minimum requirements for being part of our society then
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@pjh said in In other news today...:
John Hennigan, 50, was handed an 18 month prison sentence after he breached an ASBO by using racist language towards a woman and her two young children.
Of course, TRWTF is that he was jailed for that.
He has history. 4 years earlier:
Despite being barred from the premises twice before for making Nazi salutes, Hennigan, from Harlow, Essex, came into the pub around 5pm as workers flocked there to have a post-work tipple.
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He said: 'I saw the defendant who I previously barred from the pub on two previous occasions. He was making the Nazi salute to the bar.
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'At that stage I think he said something like "if I was a Jew or c*** you would not be doing this".'Mr MacCallion added: 'When I got him to the door, he said "so if my mum and dad came down, would they also be barred too? Or do you just let in blacks and Jews?"
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Hennigan, who had an Asbo placed on him at Harlow County Court in April 2005 [this report is from 2012] for seven years, denies breaching it on February 2 of this year.
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@pjh said in In other news today...:
@zecc said in In other news today...:
@pjh said in In other news today...:
"C**t" is racist? What's behind the asterisks then?
The U.N.
Illuminati Confirmed.
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@boomzilla I dunno, Contempt of Court seems pretty actionable to me.
He basically violated a standing restraining order. It isn't that he said it, it is that he kept saying it after a judge had ordered him not to.
It's no different from someone calling up their ex to harass them after the ex got a restraining order against them. It's just that here, it's the whole town that got the restraining order.
You might say it is going to far, but if the town government thought it bad enough to take him to court over it, he's probably a bit of a dick. And if he keeps doing it after he was told not to at the end of a hearing, then he's just fucking with them at that point.
So at this point, what you are objecting to is the ASBO law that let's them make such sweeping gag orders. However, that's a discussion for the Salon (or more likely, the Garage). Just keep in mind that the laws in the UK are strikingly different from those in the US.
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@scholrlea said in In other news today...:
So at this point, what you are objecting to is the ASBO law that let's them make such sweeping gag orders.
Yes, that was my original objection, in fact.
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@boomzilla Oops, another interleaved edit, sorry.
As I said, at this point you will want to take that to the Garage. Just keep in mind that the laws in the UK are very different in this regard from the US.
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@scholrlea said in In other news today...:
Just keep in mind that the laws in the UK are very different in this regard from the US.
Yes, that was my original objection, in fact.
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@boomzilla You'll be pleased to hear that the ASBO is no longer on the books as of 2015 then
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What I tell you three times is true; please take this to the Garage. They are better equipped for cleaning up the ashes of flame wars than General is (hard to believe, but they are).
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@boner said in In other news today...:
It is illegal to splash a pedestrian with water from the road while driving your car, and drivers could also face public order offences if they do so deliberately.
Instead of, you know, fixing the roads so that they drain properly...
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@anotherusername Wait, roads can be fixed? This new science astounds me!
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@mott555 said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername Wait, roads can be fixed? This new science astounds me!
Please tell my local council about this innovation. My commute to work is like the surface of the moon, and has been since the frosts started.
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@mott555 If my "fixing roads" technology interests you, perhaps you'd like to hear about my "don't walk on the pavement right next to a huge mess of water in the road when there's a car coming you nitwit" idea.
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@anotherusername
This happened in the UK, is there anytime in which the road is not wet?
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@dragoon said in In other news today...:
is there anytime in which the road is not wet?
June the 12th most years, for reasons as yet unknown to science
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@pjh This judge sounds awesome.
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@dragoon said in In other news today...:
This happened in the UK, is there anytime in which the road is not wet?
Winter.
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@dragoon "wet" and "
3 inches0.08 meters of water" are rather different things.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Instead of, you know, fixing the roads so that they drain properly...
At a local intersection, one corner is definitely the lowest. There is s storm drain on at least one of the corners across the street, but not the low corner. Instead they've got a sign post there where they put up a "High Water" sign. Though the timing on putting the sign in place and taking it down is often not very good.
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@mott555 said in In other news today...:
@anotherusername Wait, roads can be fixed? This new science astounds me!
Not according to California...
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
It is illegal to splash a pedestrian with water from the road while driving your car, and drivers could also face public order offences if they do so deliberately.
Instead of, you know, fixing the roads so that they drain properly...
While I agree that it is -worthy to have such a specific law, the "deliberately" bit (and the more generic "public order offences" part), for me, indicates that this is probably just a subset of a generic law of "if you are an ass and go out of your way to annoy others, you can get fined for it". Which, overall, does not seem outrageous.
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@remi no, it said that it's illegal to splash a pedestrian, and the driver can also be charged with public order offenses if they did so deliberately. So "splashing people deliberately" can violate the generic "don't be an ass" law, but "don't splash people with your car even accidentally" is its own separate law.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
Instead of, you know, fixing the roads so that they drain properly...
The article said it was caused by a blocked drain. So it would have drained properly if there hadn't been some sort of debris covering the stormdrain. That's hard to prevent, unfortunately.
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@masonwheeler if it happens often enough that you need a law that says vehicles must be extra cautious when driving to avoid splashing pedestrians adjacent to the roadway, then it indicates a more widespread problem than the occasional blocked storm drain.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@remi no, it said that it's illegal to splash a pedestrian, and the driver can also be charged with public order offenses if they did so deliberately. So "splashing people deliberately" can violate the generic "don't be an ass" law, but "don't splash people with your car even accidentally" is its own separate law.
Yes, that's why I said that it was indeed -worthy. My comment was more on the second part ("deliberately").
Although... playing devil's advocate, it might as well be that the first part also comes from some generic law about driving that would say that harming pedestrians in any way is illegal.
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@anotherusername said in In other news today...:
@masonwheeler if it happens often enough that you need a law that says vehicles must be extra cautious when driving to avoid splashing pedestrians adjacent to the roadway, then it indicates a more widespread problem than the occasional blocked storm drain.
If you think about it, if you're going fast enough to splash them, hydroplaning is a very likely outcome...
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I usually speed up for the puddles! I can get them to spray 15+ feet in the air if I go fast enough. :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_closed_eyes: (Helps that I have a ~7,000-pound curb weight).
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
hydroplaning is a very likely outcome...
Good, that way you'll hydroplane over any big potholes or open manholes that you can't see...
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
hydroplaning is a very likely outcome...
What's hydroplaning ?
Oh, you need a puddle of water that is NOT frozen
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@timebandit said in In other news today...:
Oh, you need a puddle of water that is NOT frozen
What's this frozen you speak of? I'm in the land of fruits&nuts where below 50F is deadly.
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
What's this frozen you speak of?
You're probably more familiar with this sort of frozen:
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@timebandit Isn't hydroplaning easier to do on frozen water?
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@boomzilla Let it go, guys, just let it go.
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@mott555 said in In other news today...:
@timebandit Isn't hydroplaning easier to do on frozen water?
I don't think it's called hydroplaning then.
Or... I've been doing a lot of it in my life
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@timebandit said in In other news today...:
What's hydroplaning ?
It's where your car suddenly decides to go water-skiing without your consent.
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@timebandit said in In other news today...:
@dcon said in In other news today...:
hydroplaning is a very likely outcome...
What's hydroplaning ?
Oh, you need a puddle of water that is NOT frozen
Hydroplaning is when you're moving fast enough that water acts sort of like warmish ice when you drive across it.
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@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
It's where your car suddenly decides to go water-skiing without your consent.
On a more serious note, hydroplaning is almost non-existent when you drive a Subaru.
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@timebandit How so? I was under the impression that it depends a lot more on the quality of the tires than the make of the car.
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@masonwheeler The Subaru symmetrical AWD is really amazing.
Good tires help also, but that AWD does an amazing job.
Edit: Ask any Subaru driver, they will confirm
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@mott555 said in In other news today...:
@timebandit Isn't hydroplaning easier to do on frozen water?
That depends at least partly on how smooth the top surface of the frozen water is. Packed snow is not too bad to drive on, though one can intentionally begin a slide on it without too much trouble (or unintentionally if one is driving too fast and tries to turn too sharply). Loose snow and smooth ice (e.g. a frozen puddle) are the worst/slipperiest. Rough ice would probably be the easiest to drive on (besides a dry road, but we're discussing driving on water in various states, so that's already excluded (pre- ) ), but it likely would be bad because it could chew up the tires.
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@timebandit said in In other news today...:
@masonwheeler said in In other news today...:
It's where your car suddenly decides to go water-skiing without your consent.
On a more serious note, hydroplaning is almost non-existent when you drive a Subaru.
Because you can't go fast enough for it?
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to joke
It doesn't take much speed to hydroplane if your tires are bad. Water is not very compressible, and a trapped layer of it under your tires can reduce your traction to almost zero, instantly.
Good, new tires which are meant for use in wet weather will have tread that is designed to slice through water and blast it out and away from the point of contact with the pavement, which is worse for pedestrians dumb enough to walk right next to the gutter, but good for keeping your tires in direct contact with the road surface.
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@ScholRLEA said in In other news today...:
@boomzilla Let it go, guys, just let it go.
Don't bring it up any moooore!
I don't care what you're trying to say!
Let the trolls flame ooooon!
{insert topic here} never bothered me anyway!
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
The Subaru symmetrical AWD is really amazing.
I would've thought that asymmetrical AWD would be more useful/stable, since each wheel would be independently monitored and powered.
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