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@TimeBandit Easy: all of them.
It's an interesting point, though. Is this going to be full Python or Python with special Excel-API? How are they going to integrate it?
That said, I think I can continue living happily without ever getting the answer to those questions.
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@cvi No matter how bad it is, it's gotta be better than VBA for Excel.
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra I've never looked at Eve closely, but it always felt a little lot like "having a day job: the game" to me.
Yes, that is what MMORPGs all are.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit Easy: all of them.
It's an interesting point, though. Is this going to be full Python or Python with special Excel-API? How are they going to integrate it?
That said, I think I can continue living happily without ever getting the answer to those questions.
The sorts of users this will be aimed at will want to have not too many restrictions, so things like Numpy, PyTorch and Pandas will definitely be on the radar; the point will be to do deep analysis and add in machine learning support. It's going to need to be in a VM; Python simply isn't designed to be secure (as it is very hard to prevent code from reaching the builtins, and they let you get to everything else).
But MS apparently have a plan to bill users for the privilege. Makes sense. And at least it will mean that there is, at last, a way to import CSV files into Excel correctly...
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
And at least it will mean that there is, at last, a way to import CSV files into Excel correctly...
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@Mason_Wheeler Yes, but Excel is the only one which is consistently badly wrong.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
there is, at last, a way to import CSV files into Excel correctly...
How do you define "correct" import when there is no definition of a "correct" CSV?
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
there is, at last, a way to import CSV files into Excel correctly...
How do you define "correct" import when there is no definition of a "correct" CSV?
Well, if it handles the one in the RFC without crapping out when the data was generated in a different locale and getting UTF-8 data right, that's a good start... and the CSV importer in Numpy is reasonably well tested as it is used a lot for scientific collaboration where all of these things matter a lot.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
And at least it will mean that there is, at last, a way to import CSV files into Excel correctly...
There already is a way
- Open the CSV file in LibreOffice
- Save it as an Excel file
ProfitOpen the file in Excel
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra I've never looked at Eve closely, but it always felt a little lot like "having a day job: the game" to me.
Yes, that is what MMORPGs all are.
FFXIV does a reasonable job of respecting your time. Though I suppose you could make an argument that the high-end raiding requirement of accruing 450 capped tomestones per week for high end gear is "day job: the game" content. But even the slowest way of getting those tomestones is a 15-30 minute investment once a day for 4 or 5 days a week (outside of the time you spend actually doing the high end raiding and getting to have fun )
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@Tsaukpaetra I've never looked at Eve closely, but it always felt a little lot like "having a day job: the game" to me.
Yes, that is what MMORPGs all are.
FFXIV does a reasonable job of respecting your time. Though I suppose you could make an argument that the high-end raiding requirement of accruing 450 capped tomestones per week for high end gear is "day job: the game" content. But even the slowest way of getting those tomestones is a 15-30 minute investment once a day for 4 or 5 days a week (outside of the time you spend actually doing the high end raiding and getting to have fun )
I’d argue that Guild Wars 2 does something similar - you absolutely do not need top tier gear in the game unless you are playing in the top tier raiding and even then you can get by with top tier-1 gear if you aren’t a complete drooling moron.
The progression to max level is “do the core story in the base game”, the progression beyond that is horizontal not vertical for the most part and once you’ve done the later expansions’ core story you can do all sorts of things super easily without having to regrind.
You can absolutely spend more time in the game doing whatever but it’s pretty good about that you don’t need to grind unless you want specific shiny things, you don’t need the top tiers to be competitive at all.
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
getting UTF-8 data right
That part seem to finally, after many many years, work now.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
@dkf said in In other news today...:
And at least it will mean that there is, at last, a way to import CSV files into Excel correctly...
And 420 standard pre/post processors to convert between them.
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@da-Doctah of course, the standard pre/post processing will nearly, but not quite, perfectly cromulent.
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@da-Doctah How are we supposed to interprete those
420
?High
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah How are we supposed to interprete those
420
?High
?Each of the 15 standards may need to be converted to any of the remaining 14. That's 210 pre-processors. Likewise each of the 15 standards may also need to be converted back to any of the 14 remaining for use on the back end, thus a need for 210 post-processors. 210 + 210 = 420. It's actual math, not a coded reference to some unrelated social effect.
No humor here, just "showing my work".
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@da-Doctah Nice.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
LibreOffice
Ewww
You're right. The spell and grammar checker works better in OpenOffice.
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
@da-Doctah How are we supposed to interprete those
420
?High
?Each of the 15 standards may need to be converted to any of the remaining 14. That's 210 pre-processors. Likewise each of the 15 standards may also need to be converted back to any of the 14 remaining for use on the back end, thus a need for 210 post-processors. 210 + 210 = 420. It's actual math, not a coded reference to some unrelated social effect.
No humor here, just "showing my work".
You're forgetting 30 pre- and post processors to convert standards to themselves.
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
You're forgetting 30 pre- and post processors to convert standards to themselves.
Let's pretend we conveniently skipped a ton of unmaintained repositories on gitbub and dead links to codeproject from old forum posts, and double-counted some forks which claim to fix them, but don't.
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
No humor here
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@da-Doctah said in In other news today...:
Each of the 15 standards may need to be converted to any of the remaining 14. That's 210 pre-processors. Likewise each of the 15 standards may also need to be converted back to any of the 14 remaining for use on the back end, thus a need for 210 post-processors. 210 + 210 = 420. It's actual math, not a coded reference to some unrelated social effect.
Three standards for the FAANG in the cloud,
Seven for the webdevs with their heads of bone,
Nine for the crypto bros committing fraud,
One for Elon Musk while he's huffing acetone,
As he reads his own Xtweets out aloud.Plz send help. My brain doesn't usually do this.
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@cvi part of me is insulted that my entire “profession” is being implied to be sub-normal droolies with solid heads of bone, but honestly, very well played.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
implied to be sub-normal droolies with solid heads of bone
They could have hollow heads of something-else!
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@Arantor I'm reminded of that grid picture which shows how every IT profession is seen by themselves and those in other professions.
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@jinpa to be fair, web dev is often derided and often for good reason.
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@Arantor It's on the long list of professions that don't really get any credit -or even noticed- for getting it right, but get shit on for getting it wrong.
It doesn't help that getting it right/wrong is highly subjective and varies from person to person.
It also involves design, which is as often about getting noticed in any way and/or trying to hard to stay relevant, as it is about creating a streamlined workflow. Reinventing wheels with non-circular shapes is basically a way of life in a lot of software dev, but the web takes it to the extreme and is very visible.
And since I'm already making myself popular with the webdevs around the world: there's a perception that a chunk of "webdevs" couldn't code their way out of a wet paper bag and probably need to ask on StackOverflow for how to write a Hello World program. (Though I think its safe to say that this isn't the case in the present company.)
Edit: Also, bone rhymed with the original stone, and that's what popped into my mind after thinking for a bit.
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@cvi where it gets murky is that there's actually a split in the web dev world; there's the frontend and the backend and the mythical full stack devs who are actually good at both.
I'm firmly in the backend dev camp, always have been - but all the frontend folks keep asserting how important they are.
Only today I saw a debate where a creator who pushes (actually quite good) tutorials on Laravel was derided for 'not teaching React/Vue' over 'Blade' (Laravel's default server-side rendering library)... and suggested that anyone who still renders pages on the server to send to the client is writing 'out of date' software and firmly should be ostracised.
There are plenty of web developers who couldn't write Hello World even if given StackOverflow.
The reality is that I'm slowly but surely becoming more and more jaded with web development and you just saw one of the fleeting sparks of me giving a shit about my industry
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If this prevents the great Meteor from fixing everything, I’m going to be very disappointed.
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(This might deserve its own topic for teh lulz but for now, here)
Yes, you too can buy a 100-year plan for a domain and hosting of your very own WordPress. Never mind that it's nearly 4x the lifespan of the language it's written in, and more than 4x the lifetime of the software to date, you can buy hosting for the next 100 years for $384/yr running a WordPress.
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@Arantor It would be a WTF if you had to buy it. I can see the appeal of being able to use legacy tech in the future. How long will the WordPress company be around to honor its obligation, and how many companies would be willing to shell out $40K for this is a different question.
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@jinpa said in In other news today...:
@Arantor It would be a WTF if you had to buy it. I can see the appeal of being able to use legacy tech in the future. How long will the WordPress company be around to honor its obligation, and how many companies would be willing to shell out $40K for this is a different question.
One-off upfront cost. Sounds ripe for tax chicanery. The question usually isn’t how much but how much can I write off against tax.
Might actually be a good deal depending on insurance costs.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
$384/yr running a WordPress
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@TimeBandit yes but that also allows for 100 years of inflation too, somehow...
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@Arantor the "preserve digital assets for future generations" may justify it as a valid idea, dunno what options someone has if they want something to be available for decades after they're dead
maybe there will be enough rich people that would buy it without worrying it's a waste of money, there is no competition for something similar. if it was 40usd I'd be interested, someone with 1000 times more $ than me could find it interesting
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@Arantor the "preserve digital assets for future generations" may justify it as a valid idea, dunno what options someone has if they want something to be available for decades after they're dead
maybe there will be enough rich people that would buy it without worrying it's a waste of money, there is no competition for something similar. if it was 40usd I'd be interested, someone with 1000 times more $ than me could find it interesting
The best part about selling long lived promises to people is that at some point they’ll be dead and you can rug pull in peace
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@izzion said in In other news today...:
@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@Arantor the "preserve digital assets for future generations" may justify it as a valid idea, dunno what options someone has if they want something to be available for decades after they're dead
maybe there will be enough rich people that would buy it without worrying it's a waste of money, there is no competition for something similar. if it was 40usd I'd be interested, someone with 1000 times more $ than me could find it interesting
The best part about selling long lived promises to people is that at some point they’ll be dead and you can rug pull in peace
You have to be careful with that. Some of your customers for that sort of thing are likely to be organisations with very long memories. Some parts of governments are like that for example; usually the bits with more bureaucracy and less direct political meddling. Older universities are another example, and those definitely think in those sorts of timescales.
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@dkf They might not be dead, but you (or your company) may be dead. In which case the promise will be unenforceable.
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@jinpa Long-term contracts are difficult to get right, yes. They have all sorts of clauses to do with what happens if one of the parties ceases to be or wants out.
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@dkf In this case, the contract would be written by WordPress.
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@jinpa They write the first version, the government's lawyers write the second version, and then negotiations proceed from there.
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WordPress already have government clients, interestingly. whitehouse.gov is a WordPress and I’m of the understanding that it’s on the VIP hosting end of the WordPress.com offering (as in, WP VIP)
So they already know what is required to win that level of contract. The question will be what protections are in place to guarantee the 100 years.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
WordPress already have government clients, interestingly.
I would have been surprised if they didn't.
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@jinpa sure, though the White House website is rather higher profile than I gave them credit for.
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@Arantor said in In other news today...:
The question will be what protections are in place to guarantee the 100 years.
Insurance. Contract clauses to ensure that if things go tits up, the customer can legally and quickly seize back control and get some other monkey to fix things.
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@dkf But the cost of doing so will no doubt exceed $384/year.
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@jinpa That's to be expected anyway, otherwise inflation risks dominate.
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@dkf No doubt the cost of doing so will exceed $384 in 2023 dollars.
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Air traffic chaos in the UK (maybe someone else but to check):
Nats chief executive Martin Rolfe said: "Initial investigations into the problem show it relates to some of the flight data we received. [...]
"We understand the way the system didn't handle the data… the way it failed, if you like.
Maybe someone submitted a flight plan between Fiji and Alaska, going over UK airspace at exactly 12:00?
(inb4: the bad jokes thread is )
a flight plan submitted by a French airline could be behind the problem
Well done.