In other news today...
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@Tsaukpaetra The Bad Ideas and Evil Ideas threads are
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@dkf
Sounds more like something for error's thread
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@Boner That's a bunch of carp. It was the otter killer.
Reading a statement from James Ritchie, Ms Hill said: ‘I feel complete shock this has happened. I would certainly not ever go back to the site again, I’d rather give up fishing, a sport I have done for 30 years.’
Ermahged, shooted furry amimal, waaargh!
Give it a rest, you twat. Your lured fish swallow metal hook (or several), you pull it with great force onto dry land where either you whack it dead or it slowly suffocates. Or perhaps you let it back to live in pain, disfigured - what a noble gesture! Fine by me, fishing is what it is, but don't come and tell me that shooting some animal in the head is in any way worse. Clean shot, that.
And fishing is about as much sport as e-athletes are athletes...
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@Boner You "made" me read Metro. I must retreat in shame.
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@boomzilla TIL that the faucets in Italy don't normally dispense wine.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
If it's anything like my water pipes from the city, that wine's under a lot of pressure to back it up.
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@jinpa
Normally it's bianco
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
Well that escalated quickly: Australia is apparently experiencing a shopping frenzy as people are buying all the toiletpaper:
NEWS UPDATE: We found where most of it went:
Guess they'll not run out until corona season is over...
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@JBert It's been done before:
After ordering a 40-year supply of typewriting paper and erasers (because of quantity rebate), his boss forces him to retire.
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@Rhywden Well, that's comedy, but there was a similar case from 2006-2019 which should be somewhere in this thread, showing that sometimes life imitates art:
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@dcon I read a Danish study back in the nineties about cannabis, it's good and bad parts. The study showed that THC is the bad and psychisis-driving compound, and modern strains that skewed the balance between the chemicals in cannabis that prevent it and promote calmness towards THC.
It's far better to smoke the old, weaker stuff because of a better balance. THC content shouldn't be what's being optimized. But it's gone the entirely opposite way, and instead of being the equivalent of having a few beers in the weekend, it's now more like having a bottle of Stroh a day.
People that do that also develop mental disorders with time.I am still for legalization and regulation of all recreational drugs, with exceptions for shit like krokodil. Simply because it at least makes it possible to have accurate strength measurements, research done of the full spectrum of users, and take away the money flow from crime cartels.
People will do things that are bad for them, and I think they should be allowed to. If not, where do we draw the line?
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
where do we draw the line?
Most societies draw the line at things that generate huge bills for the society.
If drugs (that are addictive) are legaliced, there will be situations where persons both a) need a hit to suppress withdrawal symptoms (missed a dose etc..) and b) need to do their job and/or drive a car, right now. Eventually someone decides they don't want to get fired for being unable to fly, so they decide to just jump to the cockpit a little buzzed. Or behind the wheel of a truck. And then, statistically, people get maimed or die in a rather expensive wreckage. Since the culprit tends to also wind up dead in this scenario, the society must foot the bill. Which gets untenable, since most people don't want to fund someone else's hobby.
The only alternative is to register drug-users and then deny them any kind of vehicle operating license. And then it's only a matter of time before every job posting lists a valid driver's license as a requirement.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
Most societies draw the line at things that generate huge bills for the society.
Most western societies allow alcohol (and prohibition didn't work too well in the US), which has dramatically high costs.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@acrow said in In other news today...:
Most societies draw the line at things that generate huge bills for the society.
Most western societies allow alcohol (and prohibition didn't work too well in the US), which has dramatically high costs.
They usually also tax it heavily enough to cover the expenses. Some also regulate the strength of alcohol on the market. And revoke driving licenses for DUI. Alcohol is also relatively non-addictive in the strictly chemical sense.
Complete prohibition has been demonstrated to be impossible anywhere, since alcohol is so easy to make. Minimizing the effects remains the only viable course. But for including the history of alcohol, it should remain the sole exception.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
@Carnage said in In other news today...:
where do we draw the line?
Most societies draw the line at things that generate huge bills for the society.
If drugs (that are addictive) are legaliced, there will be situations where persons both a) need a hit to suppress withdrawal symptoms (missed a dose etc..) and b) need to do their job and/or drive a car, right now. Eventually someone decides they don't want to get fired for being unable to fly, so they decide to just jump to the cockpit a little buzzed. Or behind the wheel of a truck. And then, statistically, people get maimed or die in a rather expensive wreckage. Since the culprit tends to also wind up dead in this scenario, the society must foot the bill. Which gets untenable, since most people don't want to fund someone else's hobby.
The only alternative is to register drug-users and then deny them any kind of vehicle operating license. And then it's only a matter of time before every job posting lists a valid driver's license as a requirement.
Alcohol is lega, and costs society lots.
And what about junk food, and not getting enough exercise?
The line is arbitrarily drawn in a dumb place right now.
The cost of the war on drugs is probably higher than what the price to society would be if the substances were legal, regulated and taxed.
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@Carnage said in In other news today...:
@acrow said in In other news today...:
@Carnage said in In other news today...:
where do we draw the line?
Most societies draw the line at things that generate huge bills for the society.
If drugs (that are addictive) are legaliced, there will be situations where persons both a) need a hit to suppress withdrawal symptoms (missed a dose etc..) and b) need to do their job and/or drive a car, right now. Eventually someone decides they don't want to get fired for being unable to fly, so they decide to just jump to the cockpit a little buzzed. Or behind the wheel of a truck. And then, statistically, people get maimed or die in a rather expensive wreckage. Since the culprit tends to also wind up dead in this scenario, the society must foot the bill. Which gets untenable, since most people don't want to fund someone else's hobby.
The only alternative is to register drug-users and then deny them any kind of vehicle operating license. And then it's only a matter of time before every job posting lists a valid driver's license as a requirement.
Alcohol is lega, and costs society lots.
Addressed in post above.
TL;DR: It's a persistent evil, not a poster boy.And what about junk food, and not getting enough exercise?
Those mostly harm the person consuming. And should propably not be covered by public healthcare.
The line is arbitrarily drawn in a dumb place right now.
Lines are drawn for and and . I have no problem where it's drawn now. I just hope it was better enforced; right now (in Finland) it's the worst of all worlds.
The cost of the war on drugs is probably higher than what the price to society would be if the substances were legal, regulated and taxed.
TFA seems to suggest the opposite. Also the war on drugs seems to me to be conducted like the war in Iraq was; too many lawyers, leading to a frustrated ground crew.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
Addressed in post above.
TL;DR: It's a persistent evil, not a poster boy.And what about junk food, and not getting enough exercise?
Those mostly harm the person consuming. And should propably not be covered by public healthcare.
If you go down that road, nothing (up to rounding error) will be covered by public healthcare.
Which may be something you want, but certainly not something I want.The line is arbitrarily drawn in a dumb place right now.
Lines are drawn for and and . I have no problem where it's drawn now. I just hope it was better enforced; right now (in Finland) it's the worst of all worlds.
The cost of the war on drugs is probably higher than what the price to society would be if the substances were legal, regulated and taxed.
TFA seems to suggest the opposite. Also the war on drugs seems to me to be conducted like the war in Iraq was; too many lawyers, leading to a frustrated ground crew.
The article doesn't suggest such, as it doesn't even address the war on drugs. And putting huge numbers of people in jail for minor offenses, and due to a fucked up justice system on a life-long path for worse crime, also has a pretty high cost.
I don't see The Netherlands bursting apart with violent murder.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
The article doesn't suggest such, as it doesn't even address the war on drugs. And putting huge numbers of people in jail for minor offenses, and due to a fucked up justice system on a life-long path for worse crime, also has a pretty high cost.
From the article:
But they accounted for eleven percent of all the psychosis cases in emergency rooms—90,000 cases, 250 a day, triple the number in 2006.
those four states had about 450 murders and 30,300 aggravated assaults in 2013. Last year, they had almost 620 murders and 38,000 aggravated assaults—an increase of 37 percent for murders and 25 percent for aggravated assaults
Funny enough, I couldn't find the statistics on death caused by war on drugs in the U.S. So you may be right.
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@dcon said in In other news today...:
I've read a few of the studies linking long-term marijuana use to violence, criminal behavior, and mental illness, and they all describe my father's behavior and history so well that I'm sure there's a link. I will never, ever touch the stuff as a result.
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@mott555 Yeah. If I didn't already have a strong aversion to recreational pharmaceuticals, I'd still avoid them. Just based on my fear of really bad reactions. I have relatively idiosyncratic reactions (either way too much or too little, mostly) to a bunch of regular drugs.
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@Benjamin-Hall said in In other news today...:
@mott555 Yeah. If I didn't already have a strong aversion to recreational pharmaceuticals, I'd still avoid them. Just based on my fear of really bad reactions. I have relatively idiosyncratic reactions (either way too much or too little, mostly) to a bunch of regular drugs.
The one time I've tried anything strong was when wisdom teeth removal turned into painful complications. The dentist prescribed Vicodin, and it did absolutely nothing at all. (And looking back now, I'm kinda glad it didn't.) So instead I tried some standard OTC ibuprofen, and that actually helped!
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
Vicodin
I had a post-surgery prescription for this. I didn't really need it (post-surgery pain was less than the pre-surgery pain, which I was managing without pain meds), but it was great at night because I'm an insomniac and it made me sleep better than I ever have in my life. It didn't make me high, though.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
So instead I tried some standard OTC ibuprofen, and that actually helped!
I remember being prescribed a cocktail of drugs in the lead up to getting a root canal done. There were two antibiotics and two painkillers, all at quite high concentrations. After the preceding pain from the toothache, I was high as a kite for several days. And my dentist managed to keep the outer part of the tooth too; I didn't need an extraction.
(In general my main recreational pharmaceuticals are methylxanthine, theobromine and, in limited quantities, ethanol.)
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
Nonononono. WHO is strictly against border quarantines because they might cause the problem to fester in the third world.
As someone in said 3rd world, I like when our diseases reach people that can pay for the research of a cure
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@mott555 said in In other news today...:
@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
Vicodin
I had a post-surgery prescription for this. I didn't really need it (post-surgery pain was less than the pre-surgery pain, which I was managing without pain meds), but it was great at night because I'm an insomniac and it made me sleep better than I ever have in my life. It didn't make me high, though.
I've only ever taken one once. My father had some from a post-surgery supply and I was at their house for a family gathering and ended up getting a migraine. After I took that, the pain went away, but I could still feel that there was a pressure in my temple (all my migraines feel like icepicks in my right temple). Oddly, though, I couldn't really care about it, and the Vicodin made me tired as hell.
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@JBert said in In other news today...:
While the town saved €1,000 with the bulk order,
How much did it cost to store it for all those years?
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@HardwareGeek I've known a lot of people who "saved" lots of money by keeping a bunch of stuff in storage when they were between houses and living with parents/moving across a country. Except that they spent way more money on storage fees than it would have cost to just dispose of all the furniture and replace it from scratch.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
Alcohol is also relatively non-addictive
Yeah, it's not like you can get sick when you stop drinking
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More Intel CPU vulnerability
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@JBert said in In other news today...:
While the town saved €1,000 with the bulk order,
How much did it cost to store it for all those years?
I've heard of a some part of the US Govt which, in order to not have a budget cut despite complexities with when the real spending was actually going to happen, bought a year's toilet paper in advance, with it being delivered by the supplier gradually throughout the year. Simple-minded budget management can be the cause of some truly stupid things.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
The one time I've tried anything strong was when wisdom teeth removal turned into painful complications. The dentist prescribed Vicodin, and it did absolutely nothing at all.
It sure did something for me. It put me to sleep. At times, I was worried I wouldn't wake up again, because when I did wake up, I woke up desperately gasping for air. Apparently, it was sedating me so deeply that I was having episodes of sleep apnea. It was scary. And I wasn't taking even close to the maximum dose.
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@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@acrow said in In other news today...:
Alcohol is also relatively non-addictive
Yeah, it's not like you can get sick when you stop drinking
I know. I said "relatively". As in, half the population drinks occasionally, and apparently they're still not hooked. Compared to most drugs, that's very non-addictive.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
@TimeBandit said in In other news today...:
@acrow said in In other news today...:
Alcohol is also relatively non-addictive
Yeah, it's not like you can get sick when you stop drinking
I know. I said "relatively". As in, half the population drinks occasionally, and apparently they're still not hooked. Compared to most drugs, that's very non-addictive.
That has a lot to do with the culture around it—where you have lot of examples of users who are not addicted—and around the other drugs—which you mostly only ever meet in a community where everybody is addicted. Physically IIRC it is more addictive than THC, though less than nicotine.
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@Bulb Most drugs are less addictive than nicotine.
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@dkf Yes, nicotine is on the extremely addictive end of the scale.
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I'm so glad I'm not addicted to anything.
sips coffee
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@Zecc said in In other news today...:
I'm so glad I'm not addicted to anything.
sips coffee
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@dkf
For toilet paper this is stupid but in manufacturing this is common practice. You actually buy raw materials from your supplier at the current price and spread out delivery as you need it. Even if the price drops slightly it's no big deal since simply having a fixed price for a specific period can be advantageous, after all you know your costs and can set the price of your product according.
For the supplier this can have advantages too. He can procure his supplies at bigger volume while being sure you'll buy a certain amount. Production can be scheduled and doesn't fluctuate.
It's also often done to shorten and sync production and storage cycles between factories.
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@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
For toilet paper this is stupid but in manufacturing this is common practice
Maybe they were manufacturing something out of toilet paper
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in In other news today...:
@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
For toilet paper this is stupid but in manufacturing this is common practice
Maybe they were manufacturing something out of toilet paper
The only things government offices manufacture is regulation and paper trails.
All the other outputs of the process (sewage, CO2, heat and dead rodents) are common waste byproducts, so they can't really be considered a target. Unless the office in question was useless government bloat, in which case the waste product is the only output.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Physically IIRC it is more addictive than THC, though less than nicotine.
Correct. THC is not physically addictive at all. Indeed, it is unusual in that it has a reverse tolerance - frequent use requires less for the same effect.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
@dkf Yes, nicotine is on the extremely addictive end of the scale.
Though the consequences are relatively mild - some drugs, such as alcohol and Valium - can result in death from withdrawal.
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@acrow said in In other news today...:
The only things government offices manufacture is regulation and paper trails.
I believe this case involved a US National Park Rangers office.
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