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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
February flies by because it's 1/30th as long as January.
I can't fault your math.
Your body calculator doesn't support Leap Day either?
Off by error.
The best kind of error.
I wouldn't mind a bank error in my favor.
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@boomzilla Millions of what? One million ETB is only about 17600 USD.
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@HardwareGeek Only? First world problems
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@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
Belgian economist and Oxford professor Jan-Emmanuel De Neve, who collaborated on the report
Rigged.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
Belgian economist and Oxford professor Jan-Emmanuel De Neve, who collaborated on the report
Rigged.
Give that man a beer for spotting the trick!
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@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
Belgians happier than both Germans and Americans
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Flemish exorcists âcan barely keep up with demandâCan we get your exorcists in order to be luckier?
How good are they at driving out bad politicians?
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@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
How good are they at driving out bad politicians?
The EU Parliament meets in Brussels. The exorcists clearly have failed utterly at driving out bad politicians.
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@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
How good are they at driving out bad politicians?
The EU Parliament meets in Brussels. The exorcists clearly have failed utterly at driving out bad politicians.
Containment facilities need to be somewhere...
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@dkf said in In other news today...:
@HardwareGeek said in In other news today...:
@BernieTheBernie said in In other news today...:
How good are they at driving out bad politicians?
The EU Parliament meets in Brussels. The exorcists clearly have failed utterly at driving out bad politicians.
Containment facilities need to be somewhere...
Exorcists should be able to banish them back to the Draco constellation or Orion constellation or wherever they came from.
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Maybe should try an exorcism sometime. Feel bad for the devils and demons trapped here with me. Inhumane working conditions and all that.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
@Luhmann said in In other news today...:
Belgian economist and Oxford professor Jan-Emmanuel De Neve, who collaborated on the report
Rigged.
You're just bad at rigging ... don't blame us
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The important detail is, if you see this man near BrusselsâŚ
Do not under any circumstances let him or his goons near the containment unit.
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More attempts to get access to my meme collection.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Much of it may be shared with other KDE applications
until your distro put this on a docker/snap/flatpack
I couldn't find info if the os is able to share code if it's from the same base image, but the startup times of snaps on Ubuntu suggest me it doesn't
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@dkf It's all RAM associated with the process, including shared RAM, but not pages which are swapped out.
TIL, first time someone explained it in a way I understood
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Much of it may be shared with other KDE applications
until your distro put this on a docker/snap/flatpack
I couldn't find info if the os is able to share code if it's from the same base image, but the startup times of snaps on Ubuntu suggest me it doesn't
All three do share base images.
- Snap, and I believe Flatpack, can update the base image of existing application images. Docker depends on a specific checksum, so it can't, though there are tools that can assemble a new image from existing layers and can be used for building a version on new base that way.
- Subject to how much is actually provided in these base layers. Snap has a
core20
,core22
and so on, but I think it is a fairly base system, and I don't think I've seen bigger sharable images. Flatpack does have base Gnome images, I didn't look into it enough to know whether it has base KDE ones too. - Docker uses quite deep nesting, but given the frequency with which the bases are updated, the chance that two unrelated docker images will use really the same base is pretty slim.
- Either way, none of them shares anything with the host system.
- There are snaps for KDE applications, but the web doesn't give any technical information for them and I'm not at home to try to dig it up with the command-line.
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@Bulb the big question is, does sharing the base image means that the code loaded from libraries will be shared on memory?
the slowness I observed on Ubuntu could be that it was the first snap I was loading, if so it is still annoying
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@sockpuppet7 said in In other news today...:
@Bulb the big question is, does sharing the base image means that the code loaded from libraries will be shared on memory?
Yes. When the file is shared, so is the memory it gets mapped into.
the slowness I observed on Ubuntu could be that it was the first snap I was loading, if so it is still annoying
That's likely it, yes. The snaps share some base data between them, but they don't share any data with the host system, so the first snap app you open still has to load that.
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I have been slacking in my SCIENCE! duties:
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Piercing was likely used by ancient people already some 11,000 years ago:
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Anti-trust investigations on the right side of the pond: Apple is using its ecosystem to eliminate browser choice, extract unreasonable fees from their App Store, donât allow users to decide what they install, etc.
Anti-trust investigations on the wrong side of the pond: green bubbles for SMS are discriminatory and hurt mah feelings. Wheeeee
I propose they change the bubbles for SMS to pink with sparkles.
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@topspin On the other hand, if it gains traction, social media outrages for "hurt feefees" may be more difficult to explain to shareholders than all the pocket lint fines (aka cost of doing business).
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Apple Is Causing Android Users 'Social Stigma'
the experience of messaging friends and family who do not own iPhones is worse -- even though Apple, not the rival smartphone, is the cause of that degraded user experience
This part of the complaint is fair - it's stupid that iPhones still don't support RCS.
This social pressure reinforces switching costs and drives users to continue buying iPhones -- solidifying Apple's smartphone dominance not because Apple has made its smartphone better, but because it has made communicating with other smartphones worse.
But also because iPhones are better
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@loopback0 the actual issue is that messaging services are intentionally made to be non-interoperable. That is a problem across many services, not specific to Apple. ISTR Facebook messenger actually uses (or used to in the past) an open protocol but is closed anyway. Same with WhatsApp etc.
Deal with that problem, not green bubbles and âsocial stigmaâ. This is literally a non-issue. I couldnât care less that the rich kids with $1500 Androids donât get better treatment than the poor kids with $50 Androids.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
This part of the complaint is fair - it's stupid that iPhones still don't support RCS.
Does anybody actually use RCS? And ... should we care?
Practically, all my messaging is through some sort of combination of Signal, Discord, Whatsapp and Teams (though I don't have the last one on my phone). I only get SMS for the random notifications and some older 2FA things.
I don't see why RCS would be all that useful these days. It's bound to the phone number directly (and thus to the carrier). Some of the above use the phone number as an ID (which is annoying), but allow migration (and work with any carrier, basically). Others are completely decoupled from phone numbers and carrier specific things, which is even better.
Edit: What @topspin said. I don't think RCS is the solution (because it seems to be bound to carrier-level features). But some sort of open system instead of a lot of walled gardens would be nice.
Edit2: The one redeeming feature of SMS is that it's text-only. Especially for the random notifications, I can only see things get worse with "rich communications".
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
the actual issue is that messaging services are intentionally made to be non-interoperable.
I don't think that's an issue for third party services.
The Messages app is first party so it should support the one modern service that is intended to be interoperable.
@cvi said in In other news today...:
Does anybody actually use RCS? And ... should we care?
I didn't think anyone still used SMS for communicating between people but here we are.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
This part of the complaint is fair - it's stupid that iPhones still don't support RCS.
Does anybody actually use RCS? And ... should we care?
Practically, all my messaging is through some sort of combination of Signal, Discord, Whatsapp and Teams (though I don't have the last one on my phone). I only get SMS for the random notifications and some older 2FA things.
If the DOJ banned Teams for causing social stigma, Iâd be all for it.
I don't see why RCS would be all that useful these days. It's bound to the phone number directly (and thus to the carrier). Some of the above use the phone number as an ID (which is annoying), but allow migration (and work with any carrier, basically). Others are completely decoupled from phone numbers and carrier specific things, which is even better.
Edit: What @topspin said. I don't think RCS is the solution (because it seems to be bound to carrier-level features). But some sort of open system instead of a lot of walled gardens would be nice.
Edit2: The one redeeming feature of SMS is that it's text-only. Especially for the random notifications, I can only see things get worse with "rich communications".
I still send plain text emails, rich text mail should have never been a thing.
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@loopback0 maybe then the problem is that Apple doesnât allow third party apps to send SMS or implement RCS if Apple decides they donât want to implement it?
Although Iâm not sure Iâd even want third party apps to be able to do that.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
Anti-trust investigations on the right side of the pond: Apple is using its ecosystem to eliminate browser choice, extract unreasonable fees from their App Store, donât allow users to decide what they install, etc.
Anti-trust investigations on the wrong side of the pond: green bubbles for SMS are discriminatory and hurt mah feelings. Wheeeee
I propose they change the bubbles for SMS to pink with sparkles.
Toby as faire as I can without veering completely into the other garage...
That's all the adults that are in charge know how to consider
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 maybe then the problem is that Apple doesnât allow third party apps to send SMS or implement RCS if Apple decides they donât want to implement it?
Although Iâm not sure Iâd even want third party apps to be able to do that.
It most certainly is possible to engineer a system on a smartphone to work in a way that allows swapping what app handles such messages (after receipt). It would be odd if that were not so; you want to be able to roll out an update if a serious vulnerability is found, and the mechanisms for that are essentially the ones for doing third party apps handling the service (given that updates for other parts are done too).
The real problem is that this is antithetical to The Apple Way⢠and thus unthinkable.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
This part of the complaint is fair - it's stupid that iPhones still don't support RCS.
Does anybody actually use RCS?
Well, yes, it gets turned on by default in the Android messaging app.
And ... should we care?
Yes.
Practically, all my messaging is through some sort of combination of Signal, Discord, Whatsapp and Teams (though I don't have the last one on my phone).
All of which required setup on both your part and the part of the other person you communicate with. While SMS work with any phone number.
I only get SMS for the random notifications and some older 2FA things.
Random notificationsâe.g. your bike is fixed, you can pick it upâare quite important.
I don't see why RCS would be all that useful these days. It's bound to the phone number directly (and thus to the carrier).
Not here. In Europe you get to keep your number when changing carriers.
Some of the above use the phone number as an ID (which is annoying), but allow migration (and work with any carrier, basically). Others are completely decoupled from phone numbers and carrier specific things, which is even better.
It is better for people with whom you have established connection. For people who have your phone number just in case, to send you a notification once something is done and similar, using something that is a standard part of the telecom network is much easier than dealing with dozens of äpps.
Edit: What @topspin said. I don't think RCS is the solution (because it seems to be bound to carrier-level features). But some sort of open system instead of a lot of walled gardens would be nice.
RCS is a standard by the GSM Alliance. That is, it should be interoperable across all carriers (now, there were some early versions that were not), like SMS are.
Edit2: The one redeeming feature of SMS is that it's text-only. Especially for the random notifications, I can only see things get worse with "rich communications".
There's MMS. As far as I can tell, they do work by uploading the image or whatever to some server and sending a link via SMS. And they are also interoperable across all carriers.
Edit: wikipedia says:
[âŚ] noting limitations: such as its dependencies on phone numbers as the identity (whereas email-based accounts are telco-agnostic) [âŚ]
Email-based accounts may be telco-agnostic, but they are not email-provider-agnostic, and unlike phone numbers, which can be made transferable, email address can't be. Making email-based accounts strictly worse in this regard.
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@cvi said in In other news today...:
Does anybody actually use RCS? And ... should we care?
Practically, all my messaging is through some sort of combination of Signal, Discord, Whatsapp and Teams (though I don't have the last one on my phone). I only get SMS for the random notifications and some older 2FA things.I'm an Android user and...I don't even really know WTF RCS is. Most of my messaging goes through the default "Messages" app. Which I refer to as text messages (texting, etc), though of course I get pictures and videos there sometimes, too.
I've seen some stuff that whines about encryption or whatever. I know I'm in some group chats with some people who have iPhones. The only place I've ever heard anything about any of this is around here.
I guess some iLuser could try to socially shame me for not buying the same dumb phone as them. I enjoy shaming the Mac people at work when they run into shit, I guess it's only fair they get to pretend they can shame other people.
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
I guess some iLuser could try to socially shame me for not buying the same dumb phone as them. I enjoy shaming the Mac people at work when they run into shit, I guess it's only fair they get to pretend they can shame other people.
They donât. They donât care, nobody gives a shit.
Supposedly itâs the Android users who feel outcast because admittedly blue is a superior color to green1, but even that doesnât happen. Unless you look at my phone (why send me a message instead of talking to me?), you wonât even see that your SMS message is green on my phone. And then why the fuck would you care?
This is strictly a dumb-kids-who-are-apparently-too-immature-to-have-phones problem.1 Green is still a good color though, which is why Iâm proposing to change it to something way worse.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
it's stupid that iPhones still don't support RCS.
Revision Control System?
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
1 Green is still a good color though, which is why Iâm proposing to change it to something way worse.
Change blue to gold and green to brown
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@PleegWat said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
it's stupid that iPhones still don't support RCS.
Revision Control System?
It's why you won't see me an iPhone in space.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
I didn't think anyone still used SMS for communicating between people but here we are.
I do. Because it's what's behind the "Messages" button. And I'm too to go search for yet-another-messaging-app when one is right there.
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@Mason_Wheeler said in In other news today...:
I was struck by how quickly it all fell (the video in that article is sped up).
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@boomzilla said in In other news today...:
I know I'm in some group chats with some people who have iPhones.
Yeah, it's pretty obvious. Because we get an actual message from them:
Liked "whatever the message was..."
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@Zecc said in In other news today...:
It's why you won't see me an iPhone in space.
Looks like I a word.
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@loopback0 said in In other news today...:
I didn't think anyone still used SMS for communicating between people but here we are.
Why not? It's universal and doesn't require mobile data
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
@loopback0 maybe then the problem is that Apple doesnât allow third party apps to send SMS or implement RCS if Apple decides they donât want to implement it?
Although Iâm not sure Iâd even want third party apps to be able to do that.Third-party SMS apps work just fine on Android. There are even free open source ones without ads
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@hungrier On Android, third party apps can do it, subject to appropriate permission approval. On iPhone, as far as I remember, it is not allowed.
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@Bulb said in In other news today...:
Not here. In Europe you get to keep your number when changing carriers.
In the US, too, in many cases. There may be times you can't (say, if you weren't the primary account holder of the old number â e.g., you were on your parents' account â and you're establishing your own account; my son discovered this the hard way), but you usually can.
Email-based accounts may be telco-agnostic, but they are not email-provider-agnostic, and unlike phone numbers, which can be made transferable, email address can't be. Making email-based accounts strictly worse in this regard.
Unless you create you own domain. You should be able to get most any email provider to handle mail to/from your domain.
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@topspin said in In other news today...:
Green is still a good color though, which is why Iâm proposing to change it to something way worse.
Gamer Rainbow Clown Vomit message colour schemes? You terrible person...