The Backup Likes Thread - Just for @HardwareGeek and @Luhmann, now with extra 😽🐈
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Because that's no name for a metal band?
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Not in my country
Yet. It sure looks like it's heading that way, in your country faster than some other ones.
Not in my TDWTF
That's true and hopefully will remain so.
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Yet. It sure looks like it's heading that way, in your country faster than some other ones.
A lot of other countries already have them. And yes, it's sad that we're following suit.
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A lot of other countries already have them.
Nah, the thought crime/excessive SJW'ing thing isn't as bad in Europe as it is in the US, at least from my experience. In Europe, we don't fire people for whispering dick jokes at conferences, for example. I agree that it's getting worse everywhere, though.
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Nah, the thought crime/excessive SJW'ing thing isn't as bad in Europe as it is in the US
But they already literally criminalize things like Holocaust Denial. Some other guy was saying that you can't even speak the truth if it harms someone unless you have "a good reason!" I'm not sure where he's from, but I'm assuming Europe.
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In Europe, we don't fire people for whispering dick jokes at conferences, for example.
Sure, they're more concerned about shirts with women on them. Or self deprecating jokes by venerated scientists that can be misinterpreted to get him fired.
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Holocaust Denial
There probably are countries that do criminalise it.
We over here are not that concerned with holocaust although it happened here and a lot of local jews were affected.The more pressing issue is approval of communist occupation (and whether it was an occupation).
If you areinsaneinclined that particular way you can spout how good it was during Soviet times and deny occupation all you like but if you were to campaign for the return of Good Times you'd be facing criminal charges.
Seems to me like a good compromise between freedom of speech and protecting citizens from objectively harmful ideas.And it's the same with holocaust. You can deny it if that's your thing, but expressing your desire to execute similar ideas now is criminalised.
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shirts with women on them
self deprecating jokes by venerated scientists
It's a really sad state of affairs when innocuous things like these can ruin one's career or life.
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And it's the same with holocaust. You can deny it if that's your thing, but expressing your desire to execute similar ideas now is criminalised.
Thoughtcrime.
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Thoughtcrime.
Explain.
It's not illegal to deny holocaust, it's not illegal to be anti-semitic.
It is illegal to go out in the street with a sign "Kill all the jews!". Are you saying it shouldn't be?
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It is illegal to go out in the street with a sign "Kill all the jews!". Are you saying it shouldn't be?
As with any potential, threat, it depends. The US standard is something like instigating immediate unlawful acts or something. IANAL, but not all threats should be illegal. I was also thinking about stuff like criminalizing a political campaign encouraging communism. I mean, we're coming from vastly different places, and I can see why you would do that, but I don't want anything like that here, even though I personally think people advocating stuff like that deserve to be shot.
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There probably are countries that do criminalise it.
The country that popularized it now criminalizes it.
Most famous because it requires WOII shooters to be adapted. E.g. the German version can't show any nazi symbols.
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not all threats should be illegal
I'm not disagreeing but could you provide an example of a threat you think should be legal.
I was also thinking about stuff like criminalizing a political campaign encouraging communism.
Yeah, it's our local specific oddness. The Communist party is banned from registering as a political party forever and ever. I'm not sure how it is enforced, I mean I don't know whether one could register "Occupation party" or "Good old times party" and have a communist agenda, but even if it was possible communist propaganda laws would hopefully take care of any follow-up actions.
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I'm not disagreeing but could you provide an example of a threat you think should be legal.
I literally posted a picture of a guy in the street with a sign advocating killing Jews.
But here are some thoughts from a lawyer with experience dealing with American free speech jurisprudence and threats:
https://popehat.com/2009/09/29/hello-secret-service-i-want-to-report-the-internet/
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https://popehat.com/2013/06/24/whats-the-line-between-ill-wishes-and-threats/
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The country that popularized it now criminalizes it.
I can understand their reasoning but it's still stupid. Same with recent confederate flag stuff.
Most famous because it requires WOII shooters to be adapted. E.g. the German version can't show any nazi symbols.
That's seriously retarded.
The most rational thing to do with controversial symbols would be banning them from current use (if banning is really necessary, I personally don't care but I can see how seeing such symbols would be painful to victims of those regimes).
But every such law I previously encountered provides exemptions for historical stuff - movies, games, re-enactments, collectors etc.
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re-enactments, collectors
that are the groups they where trying to hit the most.
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I literally posted a picture of a guy in the street with a sign advocating killing Jews.
Yeah, I didn't think you meant that as an example of a threat that should be allowed. In my opinion that is crossing the line where it's not okay.
Also I thought that was a guy parodying antisemites.
If I squint it looks like it says "DEATH TO ALL (ZIONIST) JUICE". I cannot believe in the existence of a person who knows the word 'zionist' and simultaneously thinks 'juice' is the correct spelling.
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But here are some thoughts from a lawyer with experience dealing with American free speech jurisprudence and threats:
Makes sense. In that case, I agree.
Then it depends on whether you consider marching nazis in the street with anti-jew signs an ill-wish or a real threat.
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Yeah, I didn't think you meant that as an example of a threat that should be allowed. In my opinion that is crossing the line where it's not okay.
Yes, you're more tolerant of thoughtcrime laws than I am.
If I squint it looks like it says "DEATH TO ALL (ZIONIST) JUICE". I cannot believe in the existence of a person who knows the word 'zionist' and simultaneously thinks 'juice' is the correct spelling.
Say hello to Carlos Almonte.
Mohamed Hamoud Alessa, 23, of North Bergen, who was sentenced to 264 months in prison, and Carlos Eduardo Almonte, a/k/a “Omar,” 27, of Elmwood Park, who was sentenced to 240 months in prison, previously pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to murder persons outside the United States on behalf of designated Foreign Terrorist Organization Al Shabaab.
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@obeselymorbid said:
I cannot believe in the existence of a person who knows the word 'zionist' and simultaneously thinks 'juice' is the correct spelling.
Say hello to Carlos Almonte.
There you go shattering what little was left of my faith in the humanity.
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that are the groups they where trying to hit the most.
I can understand wishing to cause trouble to neo-nazis and the like.
But seriously, historical use of nazi symbols? Where the fuck is logic in that?
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You'll have to ask the germans that ...
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I hesitate. What if they throw me in jail just for questioning anti-nazi measures they've put in place?
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you can't be sure until you ask the questions, can you?
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you can't be sure until you ask the questions, can you?
Sounds reasonable. ...Wait, you are just trying to get rid of me, aren't you?
Do German prisons have internet access?
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What if they throw me in jail just for questioning anti-nazi measures they've put in place?
If you ask on a webpage hosted in the US you should be OK.
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I don't know if this anecdote is true, but it is usually told as something that happened to a personal acquaintance of the speaker.
When times here were very rough in the '90s there were people who spent all their life savings on a ticket to Sweden (Norway/Denmark/etc.) Once there they would smash the window of the nearest shop, grab something valuable and then wait for the police to arrive.
That way they could happily spend a couple next years well-fed and generally living to the standard of life affordable to only affluent people back at home.
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IANAL, but AFAIK the law disallows any use that might be seen as glorifying. You may not use it as a symbol for a group, you cannot pose with Nazi symbols, etc. What you're allowed to do is showing them in their historical context. So AFAIK, the use in computer games is OK (as long as you don't play the Nazis), game studios just avoid it to make sure they can sell it normally. (If a game or movie is considered particularly harmful for children/teens, it cannot be advertised or sold openly, only on request.)
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as long as you don't play the Nazis
WTF? There are games where you play as a serial killer, psycho murderer etc. and it's okay (and I believe that is fine, just in case it's not clear. People who have trouble distinguishing videogames from reality have mental issues regardless of their access to violent videogames) but you can't play as a nazi?
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but you can't play as a nazi?
You can. But then you would probably - depending on the context - have to remove all "forbidden" Nazi symbols from the game, which kinda defeats the whole point if it's a historical game. ;) Again, IANAL and especially not an expert in German law, so what I say might not be 100% accurate, but that's how it works AFAIK.
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There are games where you play as a serial killer, psycho murderer etc.
BTW: Some of these games have been modified for the German market (removed ragdoll effects and other especially "cruel" stuff, in some cases humans have been replaced with robots/aliens) so they can be advertised and sold normally. So at least it's consistent: Be careful when releasing games that might be seen as glorifying violence on the German market.
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US has the strongest protection for the freedom of speech.
Or as Blakey puts it: USA USA USA
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I've tried it last night and it was crashing every time. I couldn't get further than opening a couple of rooms.
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A minibus is a twin of a train?
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Where did you get "twin" from?
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Also, is the title "now with extra kissing pussy"?
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The symbol of the twins is based on the Dioscuri, two mortals that were granted shared godhood after death
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The symbol of the twins is based on the Di
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and @HardwareGeek and @Luhmann don't like the Backup Likes Thread,
jerks the only thing wrong with the topicalized version was that no one was following the rules!
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@abarker said:
and @HardwareGeek and @Luhmann don't like the Backup Likes Thread,
jerks the only thing wrong with the topicalized version was that no one was following the rules!QFBT
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ah the day before thanksgiving right after hitting a deadline.
not much to do at work today except avoid breaking things before thanksgiving.
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thanksgiving
Americans and their weird holidays.
not much to do at work today except avoid breaking things
That's my favourite type of workday. But occasionally I fail even at that.