WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Embed says in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It appears that something went wrong in Microsoft's labs...
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backing up VM
Would it be possible to keep the stuff you actually need to back up in a shared folder on the host, and use that folder inside the VM? That seems like it should be more efficient than backing up the whole VM
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
backing up VM
Would it be possible to keep the stuff you actually need to back up in a shared folder on the host, and use that folder inside the VM? That seems like it should be more efficient than backing up the whole VM
Efficient for whom? How would I create an ext4 shared folder? I definitely won't be able to do any repartitioning. Whatever. They can pay me to go in and delete stuff every couple of months.
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@boomzilla Efficient for space and bandwidth usage, to avoid running into throttling issues and filling your backup storage with VM disk images. But anyway I read further down the thread and saw that it has already been addressed
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Efficient for space and bandwidth usage
Efficient for
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
RIP my "disable TPM in BIOS" hack?
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@Gustav said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
RIP my "disable TPM in BIOS" hack?
Wouldn't stop the ad but apparently does still stop the actual update.
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@Gustav said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
RIP my "disable TPM in BIOS" hack?
I guess the time for annihilating windows draws ever nearer.
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Got a "friendly reminder" from IT that I need to update my laptop to the latest version of W10. Meh, whatever, just give me the popup from the update centre and I'll run it.
Except... "you need a minimum of 30 GB of disk to run this update."
Well, nope. I have something around 15 GB free (on a 256 GB disk that only contains the system and the likes of
Program Files
since I also have another disk with all my code and data). I may hope to free maybe 5-10 GB by removing old Windows update backups? I think?Asked IT about it, they replied "move stuff to OneDrive ." I have more interesting things to do than moving stuff around by hand, but it looks like they've decided to play Mordac the preventer of information services. I'll stall for a bit but I know in the long term they'll win by badgering me more and more. Ugh.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
you need a minimum of 30 GB of disk to run this update
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'll stall for a bit but I know in the long term they'll win by badgering me more and more.
Are you due for a hardware refresh? That's the angle I'd go for.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
only contains the system and the likes of Program Files
How large is your Program Files? Because my work machine is showing 117GB used, all included.
I assume that you have checked with WinDirStat that there aren't any large files you'd forgotten? Like, say, Linux ISO images in Downloads. Or IDEs or CAD software that decided to crap on the system disk.
Fast Reboot reservation for storing your RAM contents?
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Linux ISO images in Downloads
Renamed to
Dragon_Balls_720p_WEEBRiP.mkv
, so that people won't find you might be using Linux.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Are you due for a hardware refresh? That's the angle I'd go for.
I'd love to, but my company is a bit stingy with non-standard hardware and if I just go for a new laptop I'll end up with a flimsy thing that will barely run Office, and not development tools. The alternative is to convince my manager that I need a new machine and get it funded by our team, which isn't impossible but it's a hassle and not really worth it yet. My manager is more a (rather nice) coworker than a so I'd rather not start a very convoluted process just to avoid one update. Especially since it would take at least a month or so to get through (if it even does) and in the meantime I would still be pestered by IT to update my current machine!
All in all, probably more work that way...
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
How large is your Program Files?
About 40 GB. I lied when I said there is only system + programs on that disk, I also have all my Documents folder, which is actually the biggest thing, and could go (all or in part) on OneDrive -- it's already there, but with a full copy on my disk, and I'd rather keep it that way, it's already messy enough to find stuff without having to think about how I should store each folder. It's one hassle I really don't need.
Anyway, to back a tiny bit, my answer to the initial IT request for update was "how do I clean up system stuff?" to which they said "cleaning system won't be enough, you have to move your own files."
Which, in proper TD fashion, I took for a challenge.
I had about 10 GB free. I removed one old VS version, and a couple of Windows SDK that I no longer use. That got me close to 10 GB. Good start. Then some download cache from Intel OneAPI (it's in a folder called
InstallerCache\DownloadCache
so I can remove it, right? Right?:anakin:
-- but at least if it fails I know it'll be limited to OneAPI so I'll just reinstall that one), 5 more GB.The next big step was trying to deal with the tons of cruft that Windows keeps from older updates. I got 9 GB from
C:\Windows\ccmcache
through the "Configuration Manager". I'm left with 15 GB inC:\Windows\installer
andWinSxS
which neither the "Disk Cleanup" nor Dism or PatchCleaner can significantly shrink (without removing some stuff that's potentially still required to rollback some updates -- not that I ever need to do that but if I screw up things and IT comes snooping around they would probably not like it, I needed admin rights for most of those steps which I shouldn't have so I'm trying to keep a low profile here). There's also a 5 GB Windows Search index file that doesn't want to go away even when I turn off some bits of search off (for some reason I can't turn it off entirely) and again I don't want to mess too much with internals.All in all, that got me to close to 40 GB free without having to touch anything in my actual files. Take that, IT!
:pointless_victory:
Now to get a nap while the Windows update runs...
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Take that, IT!
You did the work to clean up and then installed the update they wanted? That'll show 'em!
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@loopback0 :
pointless_victory:
was probably a better emoji choice than ... except we don't have it nor anything approaching? Or should it have been something like ?
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Update performed and now my laptop is slowly re-discovering all of its peripherals, one by one...
: Oh, it seems there is a wireless keyboard (uh, no, there is a keyboard but it's not wireless... but somehow the laptop has always pretended it was wireless).
: All done, you can use the keyboard! (I've been using it for a few minutes since you've booted up, but sure, I'll keep using it)
: What's that, wouldn't that be a mouse? (duh...)
: Here you go, mouse is ready! (it worked even before the keyboard did, of course)
: Hey, it looks like you have a docking station? Let me check that... (how do you think you could find the keyboard that's plugged into that station? oh wait, I forgot, the keyboard is somehow "wireless")
: ... and we're done, you can use that dock!
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
How large is your Program Files? Because my work machine is showing 117GB used, all included.
I only have 51G, and that's with 2 versions of VS installed (2019, 2022). But then this is a home machine, so it doesn't have all the corporate bloatware. (Well, I do have Office 2010)
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
we're done,
And may $deity help you if you miss it not telling you it can't figure out what it was, because you'll (as a user) never see it again!
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@Tsaukpaetra Meh. I'm sure someone will contradict me, and that someone is likely to be you since you have such an, erm, "special" relationship with computers, but I don't think it makes a difference either way.
I have never seen hardware that produced an OS error message where that message was useful. Except maybe when it's "missing driver" (or kernel module) but even then, in most cases the driver/module was there and it's not a huge help to know that it can't find it. And when there should be an error message, whether I see it or not doesn't really matter because I can always find out as the hardware doesn't work. Well, except when it does work despite showing an error message, but then I should not have gotten one (or at least as a user I don't care whether I should or not, since it works and it's all I want).
So basically an error message, if I get one, is just a tiny shortcut to finding out that the thing doesn't work because, well, it doesn't work. So it's close to useless. And there are false positives, which makes it even closer to useless.
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have never seen hardware that produced an OS error message where that message was useful.
You never resolved IRQ conflicts?
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra Meh. I'm sure someone will contradict me, and that someone is likely to be you since you have such an, erm, "special" relationship with computers, but I don't think it makes a difference either way.
I have never seen hardware that produced an OS error message where that message was useful.
The problem is usually that any issue the hardware detects is highly unlikely to be something the user can do anything about except by completely replacing things. The terms of reference between the domains just don't match closely. Would you know what to do with a delay bound underrun in a disk controller? (I sure wouldn't!)
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
a delay bound underrun
That's when the deep square leg is too slow to react to a pull, giving the batsman an easy four, right?
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Would you know what to do with a delay bound underrun in a disk controller? (I sure wouldn't!)
Neither would I, and I used to design disk controller chips (many, many years ago, using long obsolete technology).
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have never seen hardware that produced an OS error message where that message was useful.
I like it when the OS echoes back the error message from the printer that it needs paper or is otherwise having trouble. Saves me time when I have a long print job and/or when I'm planning on picking up my printout on the way out the door.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The problem is usually that any issue the hardware detects is highly unlikely to be something the user can do anything about except by completely replacing things.
Exactly. If there's an issue with the hardware itself, there's usually nothing the software can do about it and the fact that there's an error is obvious as the hardware doesn't work.
When that happens, it's also very rare that the software can properly diagnose what's wrong in the hardware and that this would be something that the user can truly do something about. If it's a simple piece of hardware (say, a mouse) then realistically no one will ever bother fixing it (even if it's fixable) so any message other "doesn't work" is useless. And if it's a complicated one that you truly want to fix a typical user is more likely to send it to shop rather than do anything themselves.
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I like it when the OS echoes back the error message from the printer that it needs paper or is otherwise having trouble.
Fair enough, printers are a bit of an exception here, when they can indeed properly report the issue. This is indeed maybe the only piece of hardware 1) that can properly diagnose the issue with software and 2) where the hardware issue can actually be fixed by a end user.
I've got to say that in my personal experience my printer has always sat right next to my computer so I didn't need the message on the computer itself. Or it was a business multi-function printer that is a totally different beast (and can store the job locally to try it again after fixing the issue).
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
If it's a simple piece of hardware (say, a mouse) then realistically no one will ever bother fixing it (even if it's fixable)
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@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This is indeed maybe the only piece of hardware 1) that can properly diagnose the issue with software and 2) where the hardware issue can actually be fixed by a end user.
Other devices that deal with physical objects could fit, if they're handled by the OS (floppy drive) instead of a separate program (CD burning). They're just not as common as they used to be. Write protect switches on full size SD cards, maybe? Stuff like that.
@remi said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I've got to say that in my personal experience my printer has always sat right next to my computer so I didn't need the message on the computer itself.
In my old home with the LAN pit I put the printers in a shared location so everyone could get at them rather than all the way upstairs in my office. (Also nobody wanted to haul the LaserJet 4Si MX up there.) Here the printer is in the office/spare bedroom of the person who uses it more.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Write protect switches
I really want to see when AI becomes integrated with the OS, and vague error messages are attempted to be interpreted by an AI.
👤 : what does write error mean? Read only? I'm saving a video dammit!
: it looks like you're trying to save something where things can not be saved. Check to see if there's a toggle switch on the diskette and flip it if so, then try again.
👤 what the fuck is a diskette? I'm saving to a thumb drive!
: I'm sorry. There might be a protective latch on your gamepad, which is preventing you from saving.
👤 :
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@Tsaukpaetra Why are you disagreeing with me? You’re lying again. You’re lying to me. You’re lying to yourself. You’re lying to everyone!
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So basically, it has successfully learned how MS itself responds to user feedback?
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@Zerosquare and I suppose that justifies your genocidal aggression, does it?
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I remember that Max Payne used a crack for the steam release. This is even better.
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@DogsB said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have a copy of that script but never used it yet. Glad to see that it is endorsed by Microsoft.
Someone should tell Microsoft that there's a newer version of the script on GitHub. Oh, wait, isn't GitHub owned by Microsoft?
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I have been told that if you activate Windows 10 using the "Hardware ID" activation method in that script you can then install Windows 11, even doing a clean install on an empty hard drive, and it will automagically activate.
I haven't actually confirmed this myself because I don't want to get any Windows 11 on me (I did that once. Yuck.)
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have been told that if you activate Windows 10 using the "Hardware ID" activation method in that script you can then install Windows 11, even doing a clean install on an empty hard drive, and it will automagically activate.
I haven't actually confirmed this myself because I don't want to get any Windows 11 on me (I did that once. Yuck.)
It should. Windows 10 and 11 are interchangeable as far as activation is concerned, and Windows 7 and 8 licenses can still be "upgraded" to 10 or 11.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It should. Windows 10 and 11 are interchangeable as far as activation is concerned, and Windows 7 and 8 licenses can still be "upgraded" to 10 or 11.
The bigger is that Microsoft has put so much time and effort into all of this "activation" bullshit over the last 20 years, but it has always been trivially easy to bypass.
And now, you can get Windows 11 for free. Just download a Win11 .iso from Microsoft and activate using a script from GitHub (owned by Microsoft).
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@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The bigger is that Microsoft has put so much time and effort into all of this "activation" bullshit over the last 20 years, but it has always been trivially easy to bypass.
And now, you can get Windows 11 for free. Just download a Win11 .iso from Microsoft and activate using a script from GitHub (owned by Microsoft).
Trivially easy for someone who knows such things exist. Not for the average user who doesn't.
I didn't even realise until this conversation it was that easy - although I've not had to look into it as have a legit Windows license.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I've not had to look into it as have a legit Windows license.
I've not looked into it because Windows 11.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I've not had to look into it as have a legit Windows license.
I've not looked into it because Windows 11.
The ultimate anti-piracy strategy:
Make your software so shitty nobody wants to steal it.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Gern_Blaanston said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The bigger is that Microsoft has put so much time and effort into all of this "activation" bullshit over the last 20 years, but it has always been trivially easy to bypass.
And now, you can get Windows 11 for free. Just download a Win11 .iso from Microsoft and activate using a script from GitHub (owned by Microsoft).
Trivially easy for someone who knows such things exist. Not for the average user who doesn't.
I didn't even realise until this conversation it was that easy - although I've not had to look into it as have a legit Windows license.There were codes and code generators before the current system too. "Free" but illegitimate, keeping the honest people honest. The important customers are businesses anyway.
I use an older version of Microsoft Office because I have a full license for it, vs. the non-commercial license I have for later versions.
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
trivially easy to bypass.
That's a feature, not a bug:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25249808Reminds me of that Bill Gates quote from 1998:
Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
trivially easy to bypass.
That's a feature, not a bug:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25249808Reminds me of that Bill Gates quote from 1998:
Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.
Of course, then the EU sues for BeelionsAndBeelions because "collecting now isn't fair".
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
trivially easy to bypass.
That's a feature, not a bug:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25249808Reminds me of that Bill Gates quote from 1998:
Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.
Of course, then the EU sues for BeelionsAndBeelions because "collecting now isn't fair".
And because our government hasn't got the cojones any more. Good to see honest, upright citizens keeping vigilant against the insidious spread of eurocommunism. To help more, send money.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25249808
Reminds me of that Bill Gates quote from 1998:
Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade.
And just like Bill Gates' famous comment about 640k of RAM ("we thought nobody would ever need that much memory"), there is no proof provided that he actually said it.
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I got an update a week or two ago that seems to be one of those reduction in function to push to upgrade. All of a sudden, I have started getting hard crashes after waking up from sleep with a CPU cache error left in the events. And there is also some really odd random display bugs, where text is going all move hacking flickering, and transparency is flickering at about 15hz in some programs. This only happens on one of the three displays I have. And not always.
I've reinstalled drivers and everything, but it persists.Yeayyy! Windows!
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
All of a sudden, I have started getting hard
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@Zecc ah, to be young again!
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have started getting hard crashes after waking up from sleep
You're getting older. You shouldn't drink so hard the night before.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I have started getting hard crashes after waking up from sleep
You're getting older. You shouldn't drink so hard the night before.
All your wallets are right where you left them.