WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I only read WTDWTF with a burner phone
Still safer than reading FB.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I only read WTDWTF with a burner phone
Are you implying that running Chromium makes any phone a burner phone?
It sounds like
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Status: Motherfuckin' VC Redistributable tried to fucking reboot my PC without warning while being installed.
This while the installer that was calling it was still in the process of installing!
I blame XAMP for failing to set the right flags when installing.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm worried by how carelessly you're all handling a picture that comes from @Tsaukpaetra. Aren't you worried the curse may be contagious? I wouldn't touch it without at least several nested VMs and a wooden table.
I'm not worried; I installed McAfee's Paint.NET plugin. The picture I posted is actually from a couple days in the future, after it finally finished opening it.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This while the installer that was calling it was still in the process of installing!
That's not really that unusual - the installer will typically stick itself into the runonce key so it picks up from where it left off. Annoying as fuck of course.
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Status: Mother. Fucker.
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And suddenly the machine was turned off. Suddenly. Like as if power had been lost. But battery is at 79% (and healthy enough to actually last a couple of hours of work). So I get to blame Windows. Again.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
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And suddenly the machine was turned off. Suddenly. Like as if power had been lost. But battery is at 79% (and healthy enough to actually last a couple of hours of work). So I get to blame Windows. Again.That looks more like a hardware problem.
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@MrL If it were the first time, or only happened to my machine, sure. But it isn't and doesn't. Lenovos across the office do it once in a blue moon. So that explanation doesn't fly.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
But it isn't and doesn't. Lenovos across the office do it once in a blue moon.
Some sort of firmware fault then. Yuck.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
But it isn't and doesn't. Lenovos across the office do it once in a blue moon.
Some sort of firmware fault then. Yuck.
My machine is more than 3 years old. Maybe as much as 5. And the problem started (for me) after 7 went out of support and I had to install 10.
Also, it's too rare and unpredictable. Last time it was after running 30 minutes on battery power. This time was after 5 hours in dock. So if it's a firmware fault, it has to be tied to cosmic radiation.
On the other hand, the frequency of Windows updates kinda matches. Even if this phenomena happens more than a week after the last update that's kind enough to inform me of its execution on the GUI.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
On the other hand, the frequency of Windows updates kinda matches.
Could be a bad interaction there, with something in the update process triggering the firmware flaw. Having chased down a few firmware faults in the past, they're awful.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL If it were the first time, or only happened to my machine, sure. But it isn't and doesn't. Lenovos across the office do it once in a blue moon. So that explanation doesn't fly.
My office had similar problems with Lenovos. I dragged for months until someone got pissed off enough to call Lenovo support. We had their technician onsite tinkering with those laptops for a day and problems disappeared. I have no idea what he did exactly.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
On the other hand, the frequency of Windows updates kinda matches.
Could be a bad interaction there, with something in the update process triggering the firmware flaw. Having chased down a few firmware faults in the past, they're awful.
Very likely. But on the other hand I find it unlikely that the flaw keeps ticking through several reboots in the BIOS.
It's Windows installing stuff in the background that immediately crashes something.
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@acrow said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL If it were the first time, or only happened to my machine, sure. But it isn't and doesn't. Lenovos across the office do it once in a blue moon. So that explanation doesn't fly.
Yes it does. My X1 has gone back to the shop 2x for battery problems. It will be 1yr old in March. (And I better extend my warranty...)
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Ah, yes, I remember now...
Gotta add some "allow some amount of time for the timestamps to mismatch" to the code now...
Couldn't you round it to whatever resolution the file system uses when saving it to the db?
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
https://www.howtogeek.com/685996/whats-new-in-windows-10s-21h1-update-coming-spring-2021/
Mac OS naming scheme: used to be cats, now mountains
Ubuntu: alliterative animals
Debian: Toy Story characters
Windows: disease code names
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Couldn't you round it to whatever resolution the file system uses when saving it to the db?
Easy solution: save the file, then read the filesystem timestamp and use that in the DB
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@TimeBandit Sounds slow af but at least it would be accurate
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@hungrier Windows: First go with dates (November, Anniversary), then roles (Creators), then a mix of dates and roles (Fall Creators, Spring Creators), then Minecraft blocks (Redstone), then feel-good words (Threshold), then back to dates, first specific (1903, 1909, 2004), then "we can't even predict the month anymore" (20H2, 21H1).
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@hungrier Windows: First go with dates (November, Anniversary), then roles (Creators), then a mix of dates and roles (Fall Creators, Spring Creators), then Minecraft blocks (Redstone), then feel-good words (Threshold), then back to dates, first specific (1903, 1909, 2004), then "we can't even predict the month anymore" (20H2, 21H1).
What are the odds 21H1 will release in July...
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@Applied-Mediocrity said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
https://www.howtogeek.com/685996/whats-new-in-windows-10s-21h1-update-coming-spring-2021/
"this is a smaller update that focuses on security improvements and polish."
Windows 10 has existed for 5 1/2 years. Why aren't they done polishing it yet?
Or maybe they meant Polish. Maybe there will be more Polish in Windows 10. That makes about as much sense as anything else Microsoft has done with Windows 10,
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Or maybe they meant Polish. Maybe there will be more Polish in Windows 10.
More reasons to scream "KURWA"?
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@El_Heffe Kurwa!
Edit: Darn, by seconds.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Windows 10 has existed for 5 1/2 years. Why aren't they done polishing it yet?
Are they still even developing any relevant features? I mean besides predictable garbage like integration of Cortana, OneDrive, or (shudders at the thought) more MS Teams stuff.
It seems like there‘s no colors, borders, or contrast left to remove.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Are they still even developing any relevant features?
The highlight features are performance improvements and the ability to use non-built-in camera for Windows Hello. So I'm pretty sure that no, they aren't.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
performance improvements
It uninstalls itself and installs Linux?
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@HardwareGeek minor improvements.
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@TwelveBaud said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@hungrier Windows: First go with dates (November, Anniversary), then roles (Creators), then a mix of dates and roles (Fall Creators, Spring Creators), then Minecraft blocks (Redstone), then feel-good words (Threshold), then back to dates, first specific (1903, 1909, 2004), then "we can't even predict the month anymore" (20H2, 21H1).
This is nothing new.
Windows 3.0 / 3.1 / 3.11
: Windows 4 is next, right?
Nope. Windows 95 / 98 / 2000
: OK, we're doing years. What's next?
Windows XP / Windows Vista
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Next up is Windows 7, followed by Windows 8 and 8.1
But those aren't version numbers. Windows 7 is actually Windows 6.1, Windows 8 is actually Windows 6.2 Now we skip Windows 9 because or
And now Windows 10, which initially was called Windows 6.4 internally but eventually we changed the version number to 10.0 and even though we have updated it several times over the past 5 years, it is still version 10.0.
So, given that history, nothing that Microsoft has done with Windows 10 is very surprising.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I mean besides predictable garbage like integration of Cortana
To be fair they made Cortana less integrated which was a step in the right direction.
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@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Now we skip Windows 9 because or
Yes.
Stupid developers: "Windows 9*" will get both 95 and 98!
MS: Stupid developers. See above.
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Ah, yes, I remember now...
Gotta add some "allow some amount of time for the timestamps to mismatch" to the code now...
Couldn't you round it to whatever resolution the file system uses when saving it to the db?
Not... easily. That's the internal number, not what's readily available in code. I'd have to extract the ticks, then round it, then compare and check for off-by-ones... easier to just say "is it within a few seconds expected?"
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Couldn't you round it to whatever resolution the file system uses when saving it to the db?
Easy solution: save the file, then read the filesystem timestamp and use that in the DB
Well, sure, if I wanted it to be local-system authoritative. This is a cache, and I don't need that kind of match.
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@El_Heffe Everybody always forget about Windows ME.
Problably for the best
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Now we skip Windows 9 because or
Yes.
Stupid developers: "Windows 9*" will get both 95 and 98!
MS: Stupid developers. See above.They're the ones that came up with a version scheme where version 9 came after version 95.
If you really want to see a clusterfuck, look at User Agent strings for browsers. It's a fucking arms race of websites trying to identify browser capabilities and browsers lying to those websites and those websites trying to figure out what browsers are lying about.
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@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They're the ones that came up with a version scheme where version 9 came after version 95.
If you use the official API to query the version number, you get 3.95* for Windows 95 and 6.3 (presumably) for Windows 9, so no problem. You also get a flag to distinguish between the 9x branch and the NT branch.
But of course, instead of doing things the simple and correct way, some developers went "if the OS name starts with
Windows 9
, that's Windows 9x". You can't really blame MS for that.* or maybe 4.00? I can't remember if the "3.95" thing applied only to 16-bit apps, or if 32-bit ones would get lied to as well.
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@El_Heffe said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Or maybe they meant Polish. Maybe there will be more Polish in Windows 10.
More reasons to scream "KURWA"?
Or, maybe, just bundle a hooker.
This might be actually a good business decision. Also, good opportunity to make the difference between Home and Pro edition more pronounced.
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@Zerosquare said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@error said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
They're the ones that came up with a version scheme where version 9 came after version 95.
If you use the official API to query the version number, you get 3.95* for Windows 95 and 6.3 (presumably) for Windows 9, so no problem. You also get a flag to distinguish between the 9x branch and the NT branch.
I think you're right for Win16. For Win32:
Windows 95 was Version 4.0, no Build Number, Flag set.
Windows 3.x with Win32s was Version 3.x, Build Number, Flag set.
Windows NT 3.x and 4 were Version 3.x/4.0, Build Number, Flag clear.Windows 8.1 was 6.3, so I suppose a Windows 9 would have been 6.4?
Now we're on the 11th release of Windows 10.0, with the 12th around the corner. The more things change.... :(
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I suppose a Windows 9 would have been 6.4?
Yes - the early public test builds of 10 were 6.4
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@loopback0 said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I suppose a Windows 9 would have been 6.4?
Yes - the early public test builds of 10 were 6.4
Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten about that. :/
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I should try and dig up my screenshot of the old system checker that came with the HoMM: ME installers. That reported my system as having too little RAM as 4 GB < 8 MB and running the Not found OS.
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@Parody said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Now we're on the 11th release of Windows 10.0, with the 12th around the corner. The more things change....
(not what I was going for, but I'll allow it): But now we're just like Apple!
Guess that would mean v11 is just around the corner...
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This morning, Teams could not display the status of co-workers. Everybody was in "Unknown" state.
So I restarted Teams.
I tried siging out then back in, same issue.
Then I tried the web version but I was getting a blank page.
Signing out of Office365 then back in fixed the web version.To fix the desktop version I simply had to delete the file %appdata%\Microsoft\teams\desktop-config.json
Life is so much easier on Windows
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
To fix the desktop version I simply had to delete the file %appdata%\Microsoft\teams\desktop-config.json
Life is so much easier on WindowsThe place I used to work has moved to that. That fix comes up often in the forums. So I'ma gonna blame electron.
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@dcon oh, yay. We're supposed to be moving to that at some point in the not too distant future. My customer already does and so I use it for some meetings with them, but since I just click on "Join Meeting" links and I'm generally only using it from a machine that's not on their network (I have a laptop from them but don't use it much and almost never use Teams on there) I haven't run into this. Yet.
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@boomzilla said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dcon oh, yay. We're supposed to be moving to that at some point in the not too distant future. My customer already does and so I use it for some meetings with them, but since I just click on "Join Meeting" links and I'm generally only using it from a machine that's not on their network (I have a laptop from them but don't use it much and almost never use Teams on there) I haven't run into this. Yet.
You may never run into it. My employer uses Teams for some six months now, I've never heard of this issue.
Overall I'm pretty happy with Teams. There are ocassional minor glitches, but nothing serious.
It may be survivor bias, though. The steaming pile of shit called Slack makes everything look great in comparison.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The steaming pile of shit called Slack makes everything look great in comparison.
The chat part of Slack is OK, provided you keep each channel linear. Branching threads off or using bits that aren't basically extended IRC will result in suckage.
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The steaming pile of shit called Slack makes everything look great in comparison.
The chat part of Slack is OK
It's not. Conversations disappear 'because you didn't interact with them in a while', attachments get corrupted all the time, search can't find anything. You can't even quote someone else in a normal way.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The steaming pile of shit called Slack makes everything look great in comparison.
The chat part of Slack is OK
It's not. Conversations disappear 'because you didn't interact with them in a while', attachments get corrupted all the time, search can't find anything. You can't even quote someone else in a normal way.
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It's an awkward half baked time waster, which is popular because people like to pollute every conversation they are in with retarded gifs and Slack encourages it.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Conversations disappear 'because you didn't interact with them in a while', attachments get corrupted all the time, search can't find anything. You can't even quote someone else in a normal way.
In other words, it complies with 2021 standards of quality for software.
@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It's an awkward half baked time waster
The name says it all.
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@MrL said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Conversations disappear 'because you didn't interact with them in a while'
I learned (quickly) to "star" direct conversations so they wouldn't do that. I haven't seen a subscribed channel do that.