WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
adequate endpoint security (such as ESET)
I would not call NOD32 'adequate'. That piece of garbage is leakier than a sieve and resource heavy. After multiple failures I dropped it and moved to Emsisoft which actually works.
ESET's support is a total shit-show as well. They did at least try though, they were just incompetent.
Edit: They delivered faulty updates which quarantined critical system files twice in a couple of years. Plus it failed to detect Locky well after the release.
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@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That piece of garbage is leakier than a sieve and resource heavy
This is true for every single AV software.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
That piece of garbage is leakier than a sieve and resource heavy
This is true for every single AV software.
To an extent, EAM has been pretty good for us though. It's not perfect but I'm happy at least.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
But wouldn't be a steaming there.
Well, to have Windows Update perfectly work, you have to make huge sacrifices
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
dropping everything you're doing to apply every update as soon as it comes out because SECURITY
I'm still waiting on those Heartbleed and spectre and meltdown hacks. Either that or, they've been active all this time and haven't (noticably) done anything to any of my systems yet...
Are you sure? Half your posts are about weird things going on with your computers
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Where @taviso touches Windows, expect the 42 virgin nasal demons of the apocalypse to appear and leave but smoking cinders:
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@hungrier said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
dropping everything you're doing to apply every update as soon as it comes out because SECURITY
I'm still waiting on those Heartbleed and spectre and meltdown hacks. Either that or, they've been active all this time and haven't (noticably) done anything to any of my systems yet...
Are you sure? Half your posts are about weird things going on with your computers
Weird things they may be, but can you pin it on any of the above?
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My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?
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@Carnage when I finally come around to writing that script that puts
shutdown /s /f
in RunOnce that I've been putting off for half a year now, I'll send you a link.
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
the least resource intensive AV I am aware of.
Is that like "the least deadly strain of Ebola"?
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage when I finally come around to writing that script that puts
shutdown /s /f
in RunOnce that I've been putting off for half a year now, I'll send you a link.That's the one that checks the pending rename operations key and pops a notification, right?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
they've been active all this time
unless the NSA has turned them off ...
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
Yes. Open Control Panel / Power Options, click Choose what the power buttons do, uncheck Turn on fast startup (recommended).
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@levicki said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Cursorkeys Are we talking about the same product? I said ESET Endpoint Security, you said NOD32.
That's two different products
When we used it there was only NOD32, but the name changed a couple of times. I think we went though NOD32, NOD32 for Business, something with Smart in it, etc.. Not sure if it's still the same core these days, but I wouldn't trust anything that came out of that company.
and no, ESET is the least resource intensive AV I am aware of.
That's the problem with benchmarks. I can only say that, after moving, my complaint level for 'my machine is unusably slow!' dropped to zero.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
I'm still waiting on those Heartbleed and spectre and meltdown hacks.
As I understand it, they're actually really difficult to leverage into a significant attack on ordinary desktop systems, and they're difficult to attack with on a VM-based server (e.g., a cloud host) where you have other easier techniques available. The mitigations in the first case is that the environment in which the code is running is just insanely noisy and doesn't have all that much interesting (unless you manage to spearphish perfectly) and in the second case, getting cohosted with something actually interesting is just rather unlikely. It's not that the attacks aren't real, but rather that they usually earn diddly squat for a lot of work.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes. Open Control Panel / Power Options, click Choose what the power buttons do, uncheck Turn on fast startup (recommended).
This is something the computer can't do for you because it doesn't have any fingers to click through all the icons.
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@LaoC: Wow. This is a pretty huge and dangerous oversight.
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@LaoC So the input method system in Windows is even more of a steaming pile of shit than it is under X11? That's… actually amazing, as I didn't think that was possible.
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@HardwareGeek said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Is that like "the least deadly strain of Ebola"?
I was reading yesterday about a vaccine (still in testing) for Ebola that lets about 90% of victims survive…
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
but rather that they usually earn diddly squat for a lot of work.
Which makes the fact that their mitigations are forced on everyone and cause performance loss that much more annoying, but I digress...
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@LaoC I'm kinda curious if MS got a proper heads up about it, and if they've had time to put some mitigation in place...
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes. Open Control Panel / Power Options, click Choose what the power buttons do, uncheck Turn on fast startup (recommended).
This is something the computer can't do for you because it doesn't have any fingers to click through all the icons.
what?
powercfg -h off
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LaoC I'm kinda curious if MS got a proper heads up about it, and if they've had time to put some mitigation in place...
He did and they did. (Tavis is a responsible researcher, and I recall seeing his "popping a shell in Notepad" tweet months ago (WTDWTF thread here)).
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@dkf said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@LaoC So the input method system in Windows is even more of a steaming pile of shit than it is under X11?
Hate to be arguing for Windows, but I'm going to go with "No" on that one.
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Article @LaoC linked to said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It wouldn’t make sense if an unprivileged window could just send commands to a highly privileged window, and that’s what UIPI, User Interface Privilege Isolation, prevents.
Which reminds me: Do Linux/X or macOS have that yet?
Last I heard they didn't, but I could be wrong.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Yes. Open Control Panel / Power Options, click Choose what the power buttons do, uncheck Turn on fast startup (recommended).
This is something the computer can't do for you because it doesn't have any fingers to click through all the icons.
So... all it takes to make forum bots impossible the create is hide some functions behind clickable icons? I think I heard that somewhere before...
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@Gąska said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
computer can't do for you because it doesn't have any fingers to click through all the icons.
So... all it takes to make forum bots impossible the create is hide some functions
Completely Automated Process to Train Automotive ML using web monkeys?
Hmm, I think the acronym still needs some work.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
what?
powercfg -h off
That's a nice GUI you have there
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@TimeBandit go up through the post chain.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@TimeBandit go up through the post chain.
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@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
This is something the computer can't do for you because it doesn't have any fingers to click through all the icons.
what?
powercfg -h off
Are you missing the point I was sarcastically making?
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?
Then @pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
The point is the OS is bloody stupid for not ignoring the setting if it wants to update.
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@topspin said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Article @LaoC linked to said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
It wouldn’t make sense if an unprivileged window could just send commands to a highly privileged window, and that’s what UIPI, User Interface Privilege Isolation, prevents.
Which reminds me: Do Linux/X or macOS have that yet?
Wayland has it by default; X11 has had a security extension called XACE for a couple of years now and apparently SELinux can use it, but I have no clue how to even activate it; my understanding is that individual applications have to support it, so it's as good as nonexistent.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The point is the OS is bloody stupid for not ignoring the setting if it wants to update.
It already ignored all your other settings about when/how to update or not and whether to send telemetry, so it probably ran out of ignore-user-settings quota.
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@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The point is the OS is bloody stupid for not ignoring the setting if it wants to update.
Once in a very orange moon I've seen "Update and Shutdown" alongside "update and reboot".
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
That's weird. I always get the "Update and shutdown" option in that case.
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@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
That's weird. I always get the "Update and shutdown" option in that case.
I usually do as well, not this time though.
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@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
That's weird. I always get the "Update and shutdown" option in that case.
I usually do as well, not this time though.
Maybe this time the update wasn't secure enough.
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@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
That's weird. I always get the "Update and shutdown" option in that case.
Yeah, when I see "Update and Reboot", plain old "Shutdown" is never an option. We're updating dammit!
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Zecc said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
The point is the OS is bloody stupid for not ignoring the setting if it wants to update.
Once in a very orange moon I've seen "Update and Shutdown" alongside "update and reboot".
I saw this today.
I had already seen it the day before as well, but apparently shutting down once was not enough.
And of course as @Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory.
In their defense it might have been new updates found in the mean time.
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Status: Checking my notifications...
What "item"? Let's click it...
Useful.
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Status: Windows decided to make the disk MBR for some reason...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Checking my notifications...
Life if much quieter once I r-click and say STFU!
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@dcon said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
Status: Checking my notifications...
Life if much quieter once I r-click and say STFU!
That's why I'm always on focus mode and only occasionally check what useless notifications got captured.
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@TimeBandit said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
what?
powercfg -h off
That's a nice GUI you have there
...it would be a shame if something were to happen to it?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Rhywden said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@pie_flavor said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
@Carnage said in WTF is happening with Windows 10? And nothing else:
My gaming rig has been complaining that I need to apply some update or another for a while now. I shut it down every evening, so it's got plenty of opportunity to do it's updating stuff, but nooo... It wants a restart. And it won't nag me until it's been running for a couple of hours, when I'm in "Im doing shit right now" territory. And when I'm done I shut it down, I don't want to fuck around with restarting and THEN shutting down.
Why the hell can't it just do the update on a normal shutdown?Because you're running hybrid shutdown, which isn't actually a shutdown.
Well, it's MS standard settings, so whatever it is, it's their stupid shenanigans.
That's weird. I always get the "Update and shutdown" option in that case.
I usually do as well, not this time though.
Maybe this time the update wasn't secure enough.
You mean as in "signed using the suspicious SHA-2 instead of the tried-and-
testedbroken SHA1"?