"Implicit" vs. "inherent" - do you know the difference?



  • @blakeyrat said:

    Third Rock from the Sun is back on Netflix.

    AKA

    Big Bang Theory V0.5


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @sh_code said:

    95 posts in and you still care? What are you?!?

    Blakeyrat, no doub.t


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @tar said:

    I can't see anyone who's sitting in that photo...

    Trip is half-sitting on the railing.

    @sh_code said:

    Hoshi and Malcolm uninteresting?

    Hoshi was tedious in the beginning with all the protesting.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Malcolm had the best dead-pan humor in Star Trek, except perhaps Tuvok.

    Tuvok didn't have humor. Just ask him. It's probably racist and cultural appropriation for you to insist he does.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @xaade said:

    How can you manage to argue with the people you are agreeing with?

    Because like Austin Powers and penis pumps, it really is his bag, baby.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @blakeyrat said:

    Or maybe I'll do SG-1.

    You should do SG Universe.



  • @FrostCat said:

    sh_code:
    Hoshi and Malcolm uninteresting?

    Hoshi was tedious in the beginning with all the protesting.

    well... yes, but tedious has nothing to do with how (un)interesting something is. you should know, this is a programmer's web, programming is tedious most of the time, and it doesn't cause it to be uninteresting.
    also, how do you quote a post so it correctly nests the quotes quoted inside of what you're quoting?
    (without having to write the tag manually, of course)



  • @sh_code said:

    correctly nests the quotes

    The developers of this software don't allow that.

    Request for nested quotes have been made and rejected multiple times.

    You can see the original nested quotes by clicking the on the quote, though.



  • @sh_code said:

    programming is tedious most of the time, and it doesn't cause it to be uninteresting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn08cA5zNAI


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @sh_code said:

    well... yes, but tedious has nothing to do with how (un)interesting something is.

    I was too terse. Hoshi was tedious because she whined[1] a lot about stuff. That's off-putting. I'd have to re-watch the series, but my memories are that even episodes that center around her, like the guy who wanted her to stay with him as a companion, she wasn't a very interesting character.

    Malcolm wasn't really bad, but he needed to drink enough to let the stick out of his ass.

    [1] I'm exaggerating a bit, but her attitude at the beginning struck me strongly of a teenager who doesn't want to do something his dad wants him to do.



  • @FrostCat said:

    I was too terse. Hoshi was tedious because she whined[1] a lot about stuff.

    She did that for like 3 episodes. And it was because Archer all-but-blackmailed her back into Starfleet after she'd left to teach at a university. By the middle of season 1, she's as gung-ho as anybody else on the crew.

    A major theme of Enterprise being "Enterprise writers invariably forget their own plot points about 4 episodes after introducing them".

    @FrostCat said:

    like the guy who wanted her to stay with him as a companion, she wasn't a very interesting character.

    That boring-ass episode was literally the second episode after they'd reinvented the show's premise. It's like, "oh look Archer is now fighting space terrorists going out on a preemptive strike!" in episode 1 and episode 2 is, "try not to fall asleep as nothing happens for a solid hour".



  • @sh_code said:

    How do you quote a post so it correctly nests the quotes quoted inside of what you're quoting?(without having to write the tag manually, of course)

    You have to do it at least semi-manually. Quote reply, then view raw and copy the contents over the stuff inside the quote tag.



  • @CarrieVS said:

    You have to do it at least semi-manually. Quote reply, then view raw and copy the contents over the stuff inside the quote tag.

    You know, the intuitive way.



  • @Scarlet_Manuka said:

    You know, the intuitive way.

    I pity the fools on other Discourse boards who don't have a Show Raw button easily available...

    (Then again, it makes it that much less likely that they'll be able to figure out how you're seemingly posting stuff Discourse won't let them post...)



  • @tar said:

    I pity the fools on other Discourse boards who don't have a Show Raw button easily available...

    Occasionally conversing on meta.d makes that pity even more palpable.



  • So after watching this for a while, I think I understand the difference now.

    The people here in Daily-What-the-WTF have an inherent tendency to deviate from topic; therefore it is implicit that every topic thread will wander off to LaLa land after about half an hour.

    Please do not infer that I have a problem with this effect. (Should I start new threads on infer/imply and effect/affect?)


  • FoxDev

    @CoyneTheDup said:

    The people here in Daily-What-the-WTFevery Internet forum ever have an inherent tendency to deviate from topic; therefore it is implicit that every topic thread will wander off to LaLa land after about half an hour.

    <I gave the Spoon™ to tar :)>



  • @CoyneTheDup said:

    Should I start new threads on infer/imply and effect/affect?

    Well there are two schools of thought on this:

    1. You've already brought them up here, so let the conversation go where it may.
    2. By starting a new thread, you open up the possibility of earning badges that you cannot earn by just derailing the current topic. So do you value the Nice Post or the Nice Topic (and related) badges more?


  • @abarker said:

    So do you value the Nice Post or the Nice Topic (and related) badges more?

    For these? Meh.



  • @Gaska said:

    Discourse*

    Says the guy who has what in his... next to the username thingy? ;)

    @Gaska said:

    Make up your mind about which English you use.

    No. I'm neither a smug englishman, nor a vulgar american. I'm a liberal internationalist :D

    @Gaska said:

    Good thing you use Egyptian braces, because I was about to call you out on making unnecessarily long C snippet. But since it's Java, everything's good.

    Don't be a pessimist, it's C#.

    @Gaska said:

    If you feel confused about which one goes first, just use the ⁉ emoji.

    1. it's actually pretty clear from the name, even to me, but I was an aspiring writer once, and old habits about nuancing the tone with different combinations die hard. "?!", "!?", "?!?", "!?!" all sound different and valid in my head.

    2. the emoji doesn't show for me on the page, just in preview box, which is one of the reasons I don't like using them. The second one is there's too freakin' much of them so a) i don't even know what is included there and b) searching for the one I need (usually just on the assumption it probably should be there) takes too long.

    @tar said:

    If Discourse says it's better to do something, that means it's not actually better.

    If I say "XY says ZQ is better so I did ZQ" it's usually a post-hoc justification for something I know is not ideal. It was mainly about not having to scroll up&down to look for where I was in the reply and which was the next post I wanted to reply to, after submitting each per-post reply.

    @blakeyrat said:

    The "joke" was basically that he was a really, really good doctor but his methods were all crazy tribal medicine-type stuff.

    Yeah, I got that, but even then to me turned out to be more of a:

    1. because Enterprise is the first in the timeline, so their tech is obviously not as magical as in later series
    2. kind of a statement along the lines "where do you think all the magic pills and injections medicine uses originally came from/were found in"? He just liked raising pets more than dissecting them to get the the active ingredient. But yes, you're right, that was probably their intention, to me the (unintentional, probably?) statements it made were too nice to just wave them off as being primarily for comedic purposes. You know how it goes, part of the story is in the eye of the beholder.

    @blakeyrat said:

    Malcolm had the best dead-pan humor in Star Trek, except perhaps Tuvok.

    Dead-pan humor! That's the term I was trying to remember! Thanks.


  • BINNED

    @CoyneTheDup said:

    Should I start new threads on infer/imply and effect/affect?

    Don't forget principal/principle (though I think that one may already be a lost cause).



  • @antiquarian said:

    Don't forget principal/principle (though I think that one may already be a lost cause).

    Well, come to that, we could probably have a pretty good discussion about its/it's.


  • ♿ (Parody)

    @CoyneTheDup said:

    Well, come to that, we could probably have a pretty good discussion about its/it's.

    Hah! More deadpan humor!

    Well done.



  • @sh_code said:

    If I say "XY says ZQ is better so I did ZQ" it's usually a post-hoc justification for something I know is not ideal. It was mainly about not having to scroll up&down to look for where I was in the reply and which was the next post I wanted to reply to, after submitting each per-post reply.

    Sounds like you might want to try this setting:


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @abarker said:

    Sounds like you might want to try this setting:

    <img src="/uploads/default/19324/5808980bc93b2bc0.png" width="283" height="37">

    That's the second best setting, after the "don't spam the shit out of my browser history" setting.

    Unfortunately there aren't Discosettings™ for the 14 bazillion other things it does wrong. And the Discobool™ for the "don't spam the shit out of my browser history" setting still doesn't display correctly.

    This is it turned on:


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