Oh, you wanted to get off the train? Tough shit, GPS is out.
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Has no-one de-reversed that picture yet?
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Has no-one de-reversed that picture yet?
You can if you are so inclined, but you will be fighting an uphill battle with GIS.
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Not so much?
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I should have at least gotten some ForumPointzzz for the fact that it took just as much effort to do the wrong thing as it would have to fix it in the first place. ;)
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I should have at least gotten some ForumPointzzz for the fact that it took just as much effort to do the wrong thing as it would have to fix it in the first place. ;)
What the heck is "BU RLI NG TO N NORT HE RN" supposed to mean? What language is that?
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What the heck is "BURLINGTON NORTHERN" supposed to mean? What language is that?
Pardon my French, but I have absolutely no idea.
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For Washington D.C., the door interlock safety switches require:
- Train to be moving no more than ~1kph (enforced with physical latches)
- Brakes fully engaged
- Trackside Automatic Train Control radio indicating permission to open doors
- Placement within six inches of (infrared?) beacons under the platform marking valid car positions
In the event one of these does not happen, the doors can be opened by overriding the safety by way of switch near the operator's knee, but the train should not be in revenue service in that mode for... reasons. So drivers will happily jerk around 3-5 times before giving you your release.
Source: That one time I read the request fir proposals for 7000-series cars but forgot most of it, my absurdly undercaffeinated commute
Filed under: we need a new tag cloud to attack
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So drivers will happily jerk around 3-5 times before giving you your release.
Depending on how long their last name* is, right?
*This joke is about signatures, on release forms. The humor comes from how entirely unexpected such a lame joke was, when the obvious joke was right there. And also the anticipation of reading this small bit, knowing that it ends with the word handjob.
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Trains do get lost in the states apparently
It happens in Sweden too. A cleaning lady was first accused of stealing the train.
Edit: hmm the onebox showed up in the preview first, but disappeared once I started typing. @discoursebot
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A cleaning lady was first accused of stealing the train.
InB4 “unplugged the brakes to power the vaccuum”.
Edit: hmm the onebox showed up in the preview first, but disappeared once I started typing.
Did the same for me—interestinglydubious—discuss, the way it shows before disappearing, the html is formatted differently than usual for a onebox. This is just the same “fucked up initial render” glitch that I've been seeing since I set white space topre-wrap
for all posts: the first load of a onebox is clearly produced in an abnormal way, and it resets (normally to usual*) after a key is typed.*As In: Normally, it resets to usual; this time it reset to broken.
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Also, if your train derails, you won't need to open the doors, since they probably won't work, right? The GPS could even send a signal to weld the doors closed, because they could be right over a ravine, right, and in case of a fatal error a computer is supposed to just lock up . . . right?
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Edit: hmm the onebox showed up in the preview first, but disappeared once I started typing. @discoursebot
Repro'd; my guess is the
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in the URL made it sad:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Saltsj�banan_train_crash
EDIT: I come back and both links are oneboxed now?
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Also, if your train derails, you won't need to open the doors, since they probably won't work, right? The GPS could even send a signal to weld the doors closed, because they could be right over a ravine, right, and in case of a fatal error a computer is supposed to just lock up . . . right?
In fact, it seems to be doing such a good job, they should just get the GPS to fly the train instead of error-prone, frail and oh-so-tender humans...
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Also, if your train derails, you won't need to open the doors, since they probably won't work, right? The GPS could even send a signal to weld the doors closed, because they could be right over a ravine, right, and in case of a fatal error a computer is supposed to just lock up . . . right?
I thought we were talking about the London Tube? Very few ravines there, AFAIK.
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AFAIK Thameslink is a passenger train route.
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What the heck is "BU RLI NG TO N NORT HE RN" supposed to mean? What language is that?
Burlington Northern. (Though I think the Wiki page is a bit more descriptive than their actual home page.)
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AFAIK Thameslink is a passenger train route.
Correct; they handle the majority of commuter train journeys in and out of London.
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I would presume the train operators are pushing for unmanned trains, which is why they are attempting to eliminate human intervention.
Any details on who makes the Train Management System/TMS?
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So drivers will happily jerk around 3-5 times before giving you your release.
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...because engineers opening the doors over cliffs, lakes, etc. leading to the deaths of many passengers was once a common problem?
In a country where ten, fifteen years ago at least, there were still plenty of trains where the doors opened and closed with a simple latch that you could open at absolutely any time.
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In a country where ten, fifteen years ago at least, there were still plenty of trains where the doors opened and closed with a simple latch that you could open at absolutely any time.
Where is that?? I am guessing you have no "Health and Safety" people there?
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In a country where ten, fifteen years ago at least, there were still plenty of trains where the doors opened and closed with a simple latch that you could open at absolutely any time.
We still have a few of that sort of train in operation, normally on heritage lines. Yet you never hear of people falling out of them; it's almost as if some sort of survival instinct kicks in…
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Yet you never hear of people falling out of them; it's almost as if some sort of survival instinct kicks in…
Nah - they're just not drunk enough to get their sister to posthumously call for the other 99.99999% of us who aren't as stupid as her brother to be molly-coddled.
Yes, Louisa New, if you're googling your name, I mean you.
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Anyway, I think the problem is not "people getting off the train and falling from a cliff", but "train stopping just short of the platform and people falling into the gap under the train". Obviously if someone is stupid enough to get off the train at the top of a mountain then it's just Darwin at work, but when you see you're on the train station, the survival instinct tends to turn itself off.
The real question is, can GPS provide enough precision to determine whether you're actually at the platform or not.
Filed under: please mind the gap between the train and the platform
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I would presume the train operators are pushing for unmanned trains, which is why they are attempting to eliminate human intervention.
Any details on who makes the Train Management System/TMS?
I ride (small, rubber-tyred) trains every day, and not once in over six years have I seen any train operating staff on them. In fact, they have been doing it for over thirty years.Where?
The Lille Metro, which has two lines carrying rubber-tyre driverless trains. Unlike the Docklands Light Railway (also driverless), there is no conductor on the Lille Metro. All the stations have full-height automatic barriers to prevent passengers from falling on the tracks. The big advantage of all this is that they can run one train per minute at peak times, which (almost) makes up for the small size of the trains themselves.
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In the UK we have a healthy distrust for machines, which is probably why it's taking us a lot longer to get there.
still interested if anyone know who made the TMS btw, there is a small but realistic chance that I have contributed to it at some point!
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Well what was being said upthread about the rationale behind the GPS-based system is that drivers are deemed not able to be trusted not to open the door with the train somewhere other than alongside the platform.
I must admit I would have expected that one had to prove oneself sensible, careful, and trustworthy before being permitted to drive a train, and that a certain amount of training on 'telling whether the whole train is alongside the platform and not enabling the doors unless you're sure it is' would suffice, but that's apparently not acceptable to the powers that be.
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I assumed it was a typo and he meant 100 radians. As in 15.9 turns.
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I ride (small, rubber-tyred) trains every day, and not once in over six years have I seen any train operating staff on them. In fact, they have been doing it for over thirty years.
Those are called ‘cars’.
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five minutes
I've never seen a tube train take this long to restart, but then again I've never tried the thameslink.
I'm not sure I agree with the idea of removing the safety checks from a train, but I can think of a few improvements:
- Telling me where the train I want is and how fast it's going so I can decide whether I want to take the bus, or a different train.
- Regarding the above, telling me whether it's a sardine tin for the same reason.
- Upgrading the passengers to use the space better.
- Making the cameras operate properly so that when some dick lobs a chunk of bread at my wife, it's actually on camera.
Apparently London has one of the best transport systems. Maybe that's TRWTF.
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Upgrading the passengers to use the space better.
Changelog: - Upgraded passengers to v1.0.1 - changed passenger_uid from int64 to uint32 to use the space better. (Nobody will ever need more than 2^32 passengers anyway.)
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EDIT: I come back and both links are oneboxed now?
I notice that one of you used the mobile version (or I presume that's what the
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was in there for).
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Those are called ‘cars’.
Not when they are bus-sized, linked in pairs, and called VAL 206 and VAL 208. They are small in the context of trains.It's possibly worth observing that I ride this from Lille to Villeneuve d'Ascq on weekday mornings and from Villeneuve d'Ascq on weekday evenings. On weekends, I do other journeys, mostly around Lille.
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VAL is a type of automatic rubber-tyred people mover technology
That's a helluva lot of words just to say 'bus'
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>VAL is a type of automatic rubber-tyred people mover technology
That's a helluva lot of words just to say 'bus'
I'd sorta agree, up to a point, except that they don't run on normal roads. They don't have steering as such, and rely on railway-like stuff to steer them. But there is a lot of similarity, except that a driverless bus is even more scary than driverless trains, which at least have some amount of control exerted over the tracks. (That said, I'm used to riding the Lille Metro by now, so it doesn't really bother me.)
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>'bus'
I'd sorta agree ... except that they don't run on normal roads. They don't have steering as such, and rely on railway-like stuff to steer them.Trams?
EDIT: actually, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_bus]driverless buses are a thing[/url] and some of them run on a sort of track, where they're steered by the kerbs.
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Repro'd; my guess is the
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in the URL made it sad:EDIT: I come back and both links are oneboxed now?
My guess is that it was en.m.wikipedia.org that caused the problem. As you note, the non-mobile version oneboxes fine.
Edit: Posting before reading to the end of the topic is a barrier to not being Hanzo'd.
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Not when they are bus-sized, linked in pairs, and called VAL 206 and VAL 208. They are small in the context of trains.
There are similar trains now at Dulles Airport. Vastly superior to the old people movers, although it was kind of cool when you got one of the old school ones that raised an lowered.
My delayed flight got in late enough one time that the satellite terminal was closed or something and they picked us up in one of those buses directly from the plane, just like they did originally.
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That's a shitty airport.
I find that it's pretty good for a big airport. NB: I'm comparing to other large airports I'm familiar with, namely Dallas, Atlanta, LAX, O'Hare, SFO. Those trains made a huge difference IMO.
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Dallas
Not too bad, only flew through there once and it was on my way to a small island off the coast of Mexico...and I was likely drunk.
Atlanta
Shitty airport. That fucking train is my travel nemesis.
LAX
Pretty much a shitty airport. Dirty, cramped, it always seems like a 15 mile death march from my arrival gate to the taxis.
O'Hare
I have only ever had a very brief stint there to catch connecting flights. Always seems to go smoothly, and I never have to book it to catch a plane.
SFO
SFO never seemed that bad to me. Now, La Guardia on the other hand...that might be the worst airport in the USA. Even the ceilings are claustrophobic. La Guardia, Reagan International and Atlanta would be my top pick for shitty large airports. Detroit would probably be #4. Kansas City would be my top pick for small airports. Their safety retrofit just makes the whole airport feel ghetto.
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O'Hare
Also called "the reason I'll never connect through Chicago unless I'm on WN". KMDW, on the other hand, is quite a nice airport for the most part, despite being rather busy; you can get a decent bite to eat there if you know where to look, and it's pretty hard to get hopelessly lost ;)
Kansas City would be my top pick for small airports. Their safety retrofit just makes the whole airport feel ghetto.
Never been airside there, but groundside was OK the one time I was there...OTOH: KSLC is fine, until you're waiting for a flight to depart at the middle of the night, all the shops are closed, and the airport Wi-Fi refuses to give you an IP address .
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mobile version
mobile version
Alright then, let's test this theory with mobile wiki URLs...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Saltsj�banan_train_crash
Hmm... who knows. My current theory is that oneboxing only works at certain times of day, and @Mikael_Svahnberg originally posted at a time when it wasn't working. Inscrutable are the ways of the discoonebox....
EDIT: FUCK! Now it looked like both links would work in Preview, but only one actually did work! I... what was I trying to figure out?! What year is this?! Who is the President?!
Second edit: Now both links work again in the post...
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My current theory is that oneboxing only works at certain times of day, and @Mikael_Svahnberg originally posted at a time when it wasn't working. Inscrutable are the ways of the discoonebox....
Time for a rebake!
EDIT: Negatory
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EDIT: actually, driverless buses are a thing and some of them run on a sort of track, where they're steered by the kerbs.
They're not driverless, they're guided. At points they use normal roads. The driver just doesn't need to steer etc when they're on guided sections.