Now about that change request...
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Consider starting with /t/6979 if you have a few hours to spare..
Hey, if the movie hints are too hard, just say so.
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Manufacturing plants don't want to pay us because we are not beholden to them. The work they pay for might get pulled and sent to another plant later!
...and they are of course utterly incapable of grasping that if that is at all likely, then so is the reverse scenario.
Fucking Republicans.
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That guy looks like Rob Halford.
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The source of these problems is the braindead belief that inside a company, every interaction between departments is zero-sum. Either one side made the company money, or the other one did it. Failing to realize that the entire company is working towards a goal (profitability, I'd hope).
Expecting each individual department to "pull it's own weight" is dumb. It shows that they can't grasp that one department could be making every other department make more money without pulling in money itself.
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the braindead belief that inside a company, every interaction between departments is zero-sum
That belief is equally braindead when applied to a country.
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Yes, in any space where there is competition and free exchange, interactions are not zero-sum. But while wrong, it's understandable why the uneducated and the idiots would think differently. It's not obvious that people trying to improve their own situation could be helping others improve theirs.
In a company, where there's a central guidance and the interactions are designed and organized, it takes a specially thick person to not see how the whole is more than the sum of the parts.
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In a company, where there's a central guidance and the interactions are designed and organized, it takes a specially thick person to not see how the whole is more than the sum of the parts.
It doesn't matter whether you can see that or not. It matters whether your incentives are actually aligned with the whole or with a part.
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There are two sides to incentives, though. There are the people who set them, and those they affect.
The incentives are set by management. If management can't see the whole picture, they'll set incentives that put the parts above the whole (such as firing developers for not charging their services to another department).
The people those incentives affect will act in the way that rewards them according to those incentives. Perhaps they know that what they're doing is bad for the whole, but if they're rewarded for doing the wrong thing, they're going to do the wrong thing. Doing the "right" thing for the company may be rewarding in the long term, but if they get fired for being reasonable they're not going to be around to see the benefit. So better to cash in fast.
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There are two sides to incentives, though. There are the people who set them, and those they affect
Yes, absolutely.
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Us: "Bad things z, w, and q may happen. They will cost the company $r if it does, and we will bill for the support time."
IT WOULD CUT INTO OUR SPECTACULAR DIVISION PROFITS
Comparing profits between divisions that have independent and dependent profit margins.... causes this in the first place.
we let go 2 developers.
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There are two sides to incentives, though. There are the people who set them, and those they affect.
I've posted this here before, but it bears repetition. This is the central problem of management, both corporate and government. Some people make decisions, and other people have to implement them and suffer the consequences.
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I fucking love basicinstructions.net
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HACKED :O
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and rather clumsily too. IIRC you have the anonymize module enabled for that bot.... :-D
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I remember discussing it. I don't remember actually doing it though.
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if you haven't you should because that is the way fun will happen.
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Configuration file (
./Chb.conf.json) not found: SyntaxError: /home/ubuntu/SockBot2/Chb.conf.json: Unexpected string
Ooops.
Now:
429: Too many requests. Muting for 60 seconds.
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hmm.... recent updates did get stricter about the config file when in JSON mode.....
or did you not update?
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@accalia Is Doing It Wrongβ’
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i see you fixed it.
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one department could be making every other department make more money without pulling in money itself.
Then that department should be billing all the other departments for the service it's providing. Or so the thinking goes.
This winds up costing the overall company actual money, because each of the departments has to pay people to track all of the internal money shuffling β either the corporate accounting department does it and bills the other departments, each department has to have its own bookkeeper, or the department loses productivity because somebody is doing bookkeeping (possibly badly) instead of its primary responsibility.
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The people those incentives affect will act in the way that rewards them according to those incentives. Perhaps they know that what they're doing is bad for the whole, but if they're rewarded for doing the wrong thing, they're going to do the wrong thing.
Do you work for my company? That sure describes it.
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You have to understand, in today's market you've got to be flexible!
Costumers must have the flexibility to request any change at any time! Sales must have the flexibility to sell things that don't exist! Developers must have the flexibility to be fired whenever they can't deliver! It's all pieces of the same synergistic jigsaw.
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And mine, although not actually my part of it generally.
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Give me a mars bar and a two litre of Mr. Pibb and I'll do it.
Mr. Pibb? Shouldn't you hold out for
WormholePibb X-Ttremea?
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Shouldn't you hold out for
Pibb X-Ttraa hero?Paging the other act Steinman's lyrics did wonders for, the one that doesn't look like me.
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We have trouble getting buy in from the other involved parties for one round.
Next time you need buy in for a change, make sales do that for you. Seems the sales VP has some pull. ;-)
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Give me a mars bar and a two litre of Mr. Pibb and I'll do it.
And trust level 4, that's kind of a prerequisite.
I nominate @accalia for TL4, if that counts for anything. She can then set this up for Discurse:
(Can't remember where I copied that gif from, sorry.)
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I nominate @accalia for TL4 on meta.d.
i'd accept it if offered here, because i like it here (somehow i don't see that being a thing any time soon, or ever.....)
but meta.d? DO NOT WANT!
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But you could Jeff all of Jeff's posts
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Why do you think I don't want that?
Cause if this was meta.d I would have to call with him!
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Yes but just think about the fact you'd be the most powerful TDWTFer there.
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Yes but just think about the fact you'd be the most powerful TDWTFer there.
Get thee behind me satan!
i will not be tempted by you! (not on this matter at least)
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Well, what do you want, blood?
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hmm... no, but i'll take a cup of
Tea, Assam, Hot
if you're offering without strings attached. ;-)
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How else would I get the tea bag in and out of the mug if it were not attached to a string to dunk on?
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here, borrow my spoon.
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Get thee behind me satan!
This could be interpreted a couple different ways... Ewwwwwww.
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The wooden one? You're too kind. You realise you'll never see it again, right?
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it's a wooden spoon, but not the wooden spoon.
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it's a wooden spoon, but not the wooden spoon.
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outfoxxed by the fox again!
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Wait, you think these were my best moves?
This is just me unwinding from interview with a company in the middle of nowhere which, if I'm honest, I'm not actually sure I want to work for anyway. Wait until I'm all relaxed... you won't outfox me so easily or so quickly next time. I'll get you next time!
(Fun fact: on at least two forums, my username was Wile E Coyote.)
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Wait until I'm all relaxed... you won't outfox me so easily or so quickly next time. I'll get you next time!
/me waits, with at least the outward appearance of patience