The Daily WTF Wants Writers...Again!
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Oh. I was looking at the GIANT PIN at the top of the screen. The buttons at the bottom weren't scrolled into view.
Technically there is a mouse over on the pin with "This topic is..." that will explain straight down vs. diagonal, but yeah I didn't even know it was a button till I tried it.
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Well like most human beings, I scan top-to-bottom. So when you say "click the pin", that's the pin that'll get clicked.
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Feel free to unpin it yourself, for yourself.
It'll gradually go down the list. For you.
Am I TL4 now?
not serious...
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It'll gradually go down the list
Could Not Reproduce: This thread has been at the top of the topic list every time I check since I unpinned it :)
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well it would go down the list if we stopped posting in it!
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so i like spoiling jokes....
is that wrong of me?
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This is why we can't have
de-pinnednice things.
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Just think, in any toxic hellstew forum this could have been stuck in an "Announcements" subforum and never seen again by those who don't care.
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Well, blakey, @woody thinks that it shouldn't be discoverable:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/topic-above-pinned-topics/18857/9?u=aliceif
Filed under: [ ]()
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Whoa, no necro-toaster over there!
https://meta.discourse.org/t/topic-above-pinned-topics/18857/17?u=mott555
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Well Duh, they don't want to Discourage anyone using their bugtracker!
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Whoa, no necro-toaster over there!
Oh, they do, they just probably have it set to the default of 180 days.
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What a POS forum software.
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Agreed. I wouldn't have even considered that I could click the pin on a globally pinned topic though.
Discoverability appears to be a new concept to Discodevs.
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Just think, in any toxic hellstew forum this could have been stuck in an "Announcements" subforum and never seen again by those who don't care.
Toxic hellstew forum software solved this over a decade ago. But since they already solved it and Jeff considers it a failure, he will have to rediscover it in about 3 years' time and it will be NEW.
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Hell yes it does.
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Next up: Discourse gets the iPod style spinny wheel keyboard (with messed up input fields to stop the OS from launching the keyboard). Because keyboards are so 90s.
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Jeff is Steve Jobs?
No, Jobs actually understood what he was doing and didn't ignore what the rest of the world was doing because he didn't agree with it. Apple wasn't first to market on things for a reason: they stopped to refine what everyone else was doing. Jeff, on the other hand, actively ignores what he could learn.
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Next up: Discourse gets the iPod style spinny wheel keyboard (with messed up input fields to stop the OS from launching the keyboard). Because keyboards are so 90s.
If this becomes a thing I swear I will hunt you down with your own crowbar.
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Discourse gets the iPod style spinny wheel keyboard
You mean this?
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True, he did know what he was doing. It's mainly the fans who insist that anything Apple does is new and magical no matter how long it's been in Android/Windows/other competing platform
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True, he did know what he was doing. It's mainly the fans who insist that anything Apple does is new and magical no matter how long it's been in Android/Windows/other competing platform
That's not Jobs' fault.
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Not per se, but neither he nor Apple did much of anything to correct their fans. Well, I guess except for that "You're holding it wrong" thing.
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No, because no company with any intelligence is going to ask their fans not to be enthusiastic about their products ;)
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Discoverability appears to be a new concept to Discodevs.
And then I remembered Jeff saying discoverability was overrated.
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And then I remembered Jeff saying discoverability was overrated.
Citation? I'm pretty sure I remember just the opposite: Consistency is overrated; discoverability is key — they fail at it, and I'm not sure they really even know what it is — but it's key.
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I think you're right, but I'd argue that consistency is required for discoverability so @Arantor is also correct.
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Yes, Jeff did indeed make this point.
However he is wrong - much as @mott555 says - because consistency breeds discoverability. I would even go as far as to suggest discoverability has consistency as a requirement. If consistency is overrated, isn't discoverability by extension also overrated?
Jeff seems to think so - even if not outright saying it.
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Citation? I'm pretty sure I remember just the opposite: Consistency is overrated; discoverability is key — they fail at it, and I'm not sure they really even know what it is — but it's key.
Very close:
https://meta.discourse.org/t/does-anyone-actually-like-the-likes-column/18397/40?u=boomzilla
Consistency is overrated. Discoverability is what matters.
This, of course, while justifying getting rid of stuff that people actually liked.
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because consistency breeds discoverability
This is like arguing about precision vs accuracy. Let's have both, motherfuckers!
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Yes, I would love both. Jeff thinks one is unnecessary and that the other can be independently pursued.
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I think it's because Jeff was arguing about temporal consistency (The Start Button is there because there's always been a Start Button), while discoverability is highly correlated to spatial consistency (Every program has a "File" menu and that's where you'll find the "Save" option).
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The problem with his argument is that it's based on users being able to read his mind. There was no way to know WTF was going on short of reading about it on meta.d or from someone else who had. I mean...you could guess, but you were likely to be slightly wrong. Or lose your sanity because of how ridiculous it all was. Could go either way.
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Very close:
Closer than I expected, actually. I was paraphrasing from memory, but my paraphrase turned out to be almost an actual quotation.
FWIW, I agree with everyone who is saying that consistency (temporal and/or spatial) is important to discoverability.
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Yeah, it can be brutal, especially on shared or VPS hosting.
I use mailgun a lot now, it has an HTTP API.
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Heh...hitting the Mark. That's like when Jean-Luc Picard orders the tactical officer to fire at Will.
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Heh...hitting the Mark. That's like when Jean-Luc Picard orders the tactical officer to fire at Will
Picard> Fire at Will
Riker> What? no! fire at the Ferengi! they're the ones shooting at us!
Worf> fires photon torpedos at the ferengi and fires hand phaser set to "tickle" at Riker
Data> Is this human humor?
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No, Data, it is not.
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it's not even that funny i'll admit. got a better example?
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Did I get the job, or what?
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How long is this thing going to keep hanging up there? N times I've touched the link by mistake.
Oh, I can unpin it. Carry on then.
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Somehow every time someone finds that out it sticks near the top again for a week.