Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition
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@Atazhaia Unless you want to have lawyers
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How the heck do you break a car in half?
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@HardwareGeek First guess? Swerved her right front tire into the concrete on her right side. This contact would have acted as a pivot point, flipping the car clockwise. The car, thus rotating, slammed its boot on the truck, leaving it there, while the rest of the car continues moving forward.
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@acrow In Arkansas even concrete barriers can PIT you?
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@HardwareGeek her ambition outweighed her ability.
Edit: More seriously, as speeds cross the 180-or so km/h threshold the car starts behaving differently and bumps or even just seams in the asphalt will make it squirm. Especially if the car isn't built for high speed shenanigans. She might have simply hit a small bump or crest and the rear got too light and started going sideways, got caught on the truck, and the car had so much momentum that it ripped the rear clean off along a manufacturing seam. She got stupid lucky, that would have been deadly if the part where she is would have hit the truck.
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@Rhywden said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Let's assume that there's something in 34 meters you'd like to avoid to hit.
Which instantaneously appeared without warning and was immobile relative to the ground, right?
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@Rhywden regardless of the arguments about speeding, I'd say all financial penalties should be structured like this. There is no reason why a penalty should be felt less just because you are wealthy. There should probably be borh a floor and possibly a ceiling too. And some consideration to net worth, not just income.
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@Carnage If everything is settled with money, it can never really be fair. Taking €200 from someone who makes €1000/month has a bigger impact on their survival than taking €200k from someone who makes €1M/month. But if you decrease the poor man's fines any more, then it opens the door for abusing the leniency of the law.
I'd solve this by returning corporal punishment. A public caning is a public caning, no matter how rich or poor you are.
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@acrow said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I'd solve this by returning corporal punishment. A public caning is a public caning, no matter how rich or poor you are.
Except that it isn't fair either. An elderly (or otherwise frail for any reason) cannot endure the caning that a fit young person can. Someone working a manual profession would probably suffer much more than an office worker from e.g. loosing a hand.
As for the "public" part, some people are just immune to shame, so they would just take the beating and move on. And seeing how in many countries prison feeds criminality, that would probably even end up being seen as a trophy by some groups (gangs...).
Taking €200 from someone who makes €1000/month has a bigger impact on their survival than taking €200k from someone who makes €1M/month.
That said, I do agree with that part. Fines, even with a sliding scales, aren't really ideal. But I think if a perfect solution existed, we would have known for a long time.
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Today in being a complete asshole: A person attempting to use a bus stop as a lane for overtaking a line of cars waiting to pass a roadwork. The driver of the bus I was on (which had just left the stop) was not impressed and completely blocked the asshole from trying to rejoin the line of cars by first closing the gap the driver was trying to force into, and then making sure that any further attempt to cut ahead would mean either driving up on the sidewalk, or get slapped by the side of the bus.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
some people are just immune to shame, so
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
As for the "public" part, some people are just immune to shame
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I dunno who would be the most shameless on the forum. We do have dickpics, posing with "pet girlfriend" and sharing TMI to name a few. Although the most openly perverted ones have left methinks. Hm.
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I dunno who would be the most shameless on the forum. We do have dickpics, posing with "pet girlfriend" and sharing TMI to name a few. Although the most openly perverted ones have left methinks. Hm.
It's easy being a pervert on a forum on the internet. My sense of shame seems to just have a big vacant sign with the byline of "Why the hell not?"
That said, I do feel a great deal of shame or unease when I have to walk back promises or break my word.
But being publicly shamed or doing weird shit? Nope, not a twitch.
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In addition and coming back to the topic of public punishment, the shaming part works best (for those for whom it works) if the victim and witness know each other, i.e. in small communities where the social pressure is strong. I.e., not our world anymore.
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@remi Hence "guilt" was invented.
But since guilt is a personal inner state, can you be sure that other people really feel guilty? Shame worked more reliably (in the small communities, that is).
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@boomzilla said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Nothing to cry about
spilled its load of empty beer kegs into the road.
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Some terrible driving...
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The road outside my mom is good for encountering people driving like complete idiots. Part of it is a “speed bump” in the form of a stretch of single-lane road. Anyone driving in has priority and those driving out are to give way to anyone coming in and wait to pass. Also, just after the stretch is an exit from a parking lot.
The common things to encounter is people not following the priority rules, or people just turning out of the parking lot without looking, or completely blocking the entrance to it because they don’t consider the car coming maybe wanting to go into the lot. But today we got lady break-every-traffic-rule.
So I am on the single-lane stretch driving in when she comes from the parking lot, turns out without looking, sees me and instead of stopping or backing keeps driving (forcing me to brake) and then drives up on the sidewalk to pass me. At least three traffic violations in one go!
And that’s not the only person. Driving my mom to the grocery store we end up at a red light. And we get another triple violator! Motorcycle (with a kid as passenger) overtaking all the cars waiting at the red light, driving against the light and then speeding up to over the limit. Would have been “fun” had there been a pedestrian or cyclist on that part of the pedestrian crossing which had green light and just had one cross.
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@Atazhaia said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The road outside my mom
Yo momma is so fat...
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I just saw a BMW with working turn signals!
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Obviously, that was a counterfeit BMW. Or at least, a counterfeit BMW-driver.
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@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Obviously, that was a counterfeit BMW. Or at least, a counterfeit BMW-driver.
Used them by accident while trying to figure out iDrive.
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@loopback0 said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Zerosquare said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
Obviously, that was a counterfeit BMW. Or at least, a counterfeit BMW-driver.
Used them by accident while trying to figure out iDrive.
Using the turn signals as morse code input would probably be easier than that shit.
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https://youtu.be/EOosn78WsMg
And a music video to go with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYN7mTi6HM
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@dcon Many years ago, when navigation systems were still a novelty, Google's directions included turning left onto a certain street. The only problem was that this turn would have been not only across multiple lanes of traffic on a busy expressway, but also through a meter-tall concrete wall.
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@HardwareGeek said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon Many years ago, when navigation systems were still a novelty, Google's directions included turning left onto a certain street. The only problem was that this turn would have been not only across multiple lanes of traffic on a busy expressway, but also through a meter-tall concrete wall.
There's also the not-many years ago version:
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Google believes that the street near my office is a through street. It is not, it dead ends at a ~40' drop into a rail yard. If you make it through that there is a creek and than a 10' climb out to get back on the road.
2 maybe 3 dozen people a day turn around in front of the new improved barriers after a car almost made it through the old ones last winter.
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@TimeBandit said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
The fastest I've ever driven is about 295km/h... But when I was trucking along on the autobahn on my way to Nürburgring doing 180-200 i was passed once by a black car going omgwtfbbq-fast. Like, "didn't see it in the rear view mirror, passing, gone over the horizon 2 seconds later" fast. I doubt my motorcycle could even go as fast as he did.
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You often talk about killing cyclists. In Frankfurt, a taxi driver opened the door of his car without properly looking back. A cyclist crashed into the door, and died the following day.
He was sentenced to 150 day's rates of 10€ (i.e. in total 1,500€ - alternatively 150 days in jail).
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You know the old joke "how do you know if someone is vegan? They'll tell you soon enough"?
License plate seen on a car yesterday:
AVEGAN1
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@BernieTheBernie If I were the judge, I'd have taken his statement where he stated that he did indeed look over his shoulder and into the mirror and make him eat his words.
Because if he indeed did look properly then he intentionally opened the door, causing the crash. Should have made it manslaughter at the least.
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Coincidentally, just this morning I almost hit a biker in a somewhat similar way.
Two-lanes highway, somewhat congested, I needed to switch to the left lane (because of my next change of direction) and as I did so a biker came, zigzagging between the 2 lanes of traffic and going probably something like 50 kph faster than the cars. He probably hit the brakes about the same time as I swerved back into my lane, but it was a bit too close for my liking.
Technically he was coming on my left so he had priority (if it had been a car in the left lane, that would have clearly been my fault). But technically again, driving in between lanes is currently prohibited in France, so it was his fault for doing so. But ultimately I don't really care whose fault it was legally, to me it's clearly the biker who was putting us all in danger by going way faster than the rest of the traffic around him.
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@remi Some CA notes (these are recommendations, not law):
As to safe speeds you should maintain while lane splitting, the California Department of Motor Vehicles recommends you to: travel no faster than 10 mph over the speed of other motorists, and. avoid lane splitting when surrounding traffic is traveling 30 mph or faster.
I've had motorcycles split the lane when I'm going 70 on a 65 highway.
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@dcon yup, same here. I mean, it's currently illegal, but when people do it (and when it was made legal for a trial), these guidelines seem pretty reasonable (OK, maybe a bit too cautious but in a generally sane ballpark), but are completely and totally ignored.
What really gets me is bikers who are way over the speed limit, and lane-splitting, and then complain that bikers have a higher rate of accidents than cars because of the
car drivers.Well, if there were no cars they wouldn't be hit by cars, but that's like saying that accidents at train crossings could be avoided if there were no trains.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@dcon yup, same here. I mean, it's currently illegal, but when people do it (and when it was made legal for a trial), these guidelines seem pretty reasonable (OK, maybe a bit too cautious but in a generally sane ballpark), but are completely and totally ignored.
What really gets me is bikers who are way over the speed limit, and lane-splitting, and then complain that bikers have a higher rate of accidents than cars because of the
car drivers.Well, if there were no cars they wouldn't be hit by cars, but that's like saying that accidents at train crossings could be avoided if there were no trains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H989l9sk1Q4
As someone that lane filters quite often, I think that it's great if done sensibly. Some people don't and that tends to either end with dying or stop doing the stupid shit.
Funnily enough, for all the banging on the "It's dangerous!" drum that you see in media, it's about as dangerous as not doing it.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
As someone that lane filters quite often, I think that it's great if done sensibly. Some people don't and that tends to either end with dying or stop doing the stupid shit.
Funnily enough, for all the banging on the "It's dangerous!" drum that you see in media, it's about as dangerous as not doing it.So it's dangerous if not done sensibly but it's not dangerous.
Yeah, you're making a very good argument here.
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
As someone that lane filters quite often, I think that it's great if done sensibly. Some people don't and that tends to either end with dying or stop doing the stupid shit.
Funnily enough, for all the banging on the "It's dangerous!" drum that you see in media, it's about as dangerous as not doing it.So it's dangerous if not done sensibly but it's not dangerous.
Yeah, you're making a very good argument here.
I mean, being an idiot is dangerous no matter where you're being an idiot.
But what I meant is that while it's done sensibly, it's about as dangerous as staying in the lane. Some studies say it's slightly more dangerous, some say it's slightly less dangerous. And the reason it's about equal is because of the risk of being rear ended if you stay in the lane.
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
As someone that lane filters quite often, I think that it's great if done sensibly. Some people don't and that tends to either end with dying or stop doing the stupid shit.
Funnily enough, for all the banging on the "It's dangerous!" drum that you see in media, it's about as dangerous as not doing it.I have no issues with it when they're keeping to a sensible passing speed. It's the idiots speeding/swerving that give all the good riders a bad name. (Some thing happens with bicyclists)
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@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I mean, being an idiot is dangerous no matter where you're being an idiot.
But what I meant is that while it's done sensibly, it's about as dangerous as staying in the lane.Pikachu could not be reached for comment.
I think everyone here agrees that if done sensibly, it's not an issue. Maybe there are some people who think it's dangerous even when done "sensibly" but so far none of those have spoken here, so really you're just aiming for a Captain Obvious .
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@remi said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
@Carnage said in Driving Anti-Patterns - Necro Edition:
I mean, being an idiot is dangerous no matter where you're being an idiot.
But what I meant is that while it's done sensibly, it's about as dangerous as staying in the lane.Pikachu could not be reached for comment.
I think everyone here agrees that if done sensibly, it's not an issue. Maybe there are some people who think it's dangerous even when done "sensibly" but so far none of those have spoken here, so really you're just aiming for a Captain Obvious .
Issa meh!
Kapten Oblivious½!
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@boomzilla That's cheap, and it's easier to hide than a trumpet at the end of the exhaust... Though that would sound more impressive.
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@boomzilla "Was able to replicate customer concern. Removed defective part. Replacement harmonica is on inter-multiverse backorder."