The Official Funny Stuff Thread™
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@HardwareGeek speaking of historical dates, Sweden actually had a February 30, but only once. Dates are one of the Here there be dragons of software.
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@dcon said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
I recall reading a similar joke with then-president Bush being the victim. Persons named included Kofi Annan being the secretary of the UN and Hu being the prime minister of China.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
As long as you don't have to deal with historical dates. Although that's not a problem for most software, if you're dealing with historical dates, it is ambiguous, because the year number didn't always change on 1 January. Depending on the location (and date, because countries sometimes changed when the new year started), the year number might change on 1 January, 25 December (Christmas, many countries in Europe), 29 August (Alexandria, Egypt), 1 September (Eastern Orthodox Church), 23 September (various Roman provinces (birth date of Augustus)), 1 March (Kievan Rus'), 25 March (spring equinox (approximately), Annunciation of Jesus), or even Easter (variable date). And that's not even considering Chinese, Hebrew, Mayan and hundreds of other calendars.
That's what the proleptic Gregorian calendar is for; you get the date sorted into a calendar we recognise on input and then stop worrying about it.
Or you use julian day numbers, which are widely reckoned to be BS free (much as civil-seconds-from-epoch also is).
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@Carnage said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Dates are one of the Here there be dragons of software.
For historical ones (as mentioned here), I think the real issue is that the idea that a given day should have a unique numeric identifier (within a given polity) is actually not that old.
I don't think a medieval monk writing a chronicle would have really thought about that. He would have used the indiction, or the year of reign of this or that sovereign, or any other reference point (likely not AD until fairly late), possibly mixing several ones in the same text.
I remember reading that around the year 1000 AD, most people were unaware they were close to that number, and in the few that were, there were several who actually scratched their heads and tried to figure it out, and struggled to do so (sometimes being off by more than a few years). Which, incidentally, completely sinks the popular history tale of "panic of the year 1000" as no one knew that was happening and those who knew sometimes only realised after it was gone!
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Today's PSA
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@Karla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Leaves zero ambiguity.
As long as you don't have to deal with
historical datesdifferent calendars. Although that's not a problem for most software, if you're dealing with historical dates, it is ambiguous, because the year number didn't always change on 1 January. Depending on the location (and date, because countries sometimes changed when the new year started), the year number might change on 1 January, 25 December (Christmas, many countries in Europe), 29 August (Alexandria, Egypt), 1 September (Eastern Orthodox Church), 23 September (various Roman provinces (birth date of Augustus)), 1 March (Kievan Rus'), 25 March (spring equinox (approximately), Annunciation of Jesus), or even Easter (variable date). And that's not even considering Chinese, Hebrew, Mayan and hundreds of other calendars.Dates are hard.
As long as you stick to the proleptic Gregorian calendar, it's unambiguous. Granted, it might read differently to what people at the time wrote, but it's not ambiguous. If you want to mix different calendars, you basically have to annotate the dates with which calendar they are in – and then the format does not matter much any more, because it won't sort asciibetically no matter what you do anyway.
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@PleegWat said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@dcon said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
I recall reading a similar joke with then-president Bush being the victim. Persons named included Kofi Annan being the secretary of the UN and Hu being the prime minister of China.
Decided to try a google, and succeeded.
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@Benjamin-Hall Weevil weevil slap you!
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@Bulb said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@HardwareGeek said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@Karla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Leaves zero ambiguity.
As long as you don't have to deal with
historical datesdifferent calendars. Although that's not a problem for most software, if you're dealing with historical dates, it is ambiguous, because the year number didn't always change on 1 January. Depending on the location (and date, because countries sometimes changed when the new year started), the year number might change on 1 January, 25 December (Christmas, many countries in Europe), 29 August (Alexandria, Egypt), 1 September (Eastern Orthodox Church), 23 September (various Roman provinces (birth date of Augustus)), 1 March (Kievan Rus'), 25 March (spring equinox (approximately), Annunciation of Jesus), or even Easter (variable date). And that's not even considering Chinese, Hebrew, Mayan and hundreds of other calendars.Dates are hard.
As long as you stick to the proleptic Gregorian calendar, it's unambiguous. Granted, it might read differently to what people at the time wrote, but it's not ambiguous. If you want to mix different calendars, you basically have to annotate the dates with which calendar they are in – and then the format does not matter much any more, because it won't sort asciibetically no matter what you do anyway.
As a (hobbyist) genealogist/family historian, one of the things I learned early on is to record dates (and other info) in exactly the format used in the source document. You can translate that into another format for sorting, but the primary date format is whatever the source document uses. My (sadly discontinued) "professional" software supports that, along with things like estimated dates and date ranges, but not all does.
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As a sanity-and-wakefulness-budgeting person, I have learned to instantly fnord out all words following the words "As a hobbyist" and actively fuzz them if likely to be followed by "family historian".
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@dkf Prolepsis is an overstep of mortal arithmetic upon to divine sovereignty - who are we to say?
Julian days, yes, remain acceptable.
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@Karla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@hungrier said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Que' lindo.
Probably safer than the other kind of cougar.
Everybody, with me....
"Soft kitty,
Warm kitty,
Little ball of fur.
Sleepy kitty,
Happy kitty,
Purr, purr, purr!"
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@da-Doctah said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@Karla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@hungrier said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Que' lindo.
Probably safer than the other kind of cougar.
Everybody, with me....
"Soft kitty,
Warm kitty,
Little ball of fur.
Sleepy kitty,
Happy kitty,
Purr, purr, purr!"
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@boomzilla I agree. No one in their right mind would start the week on Sunday.
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@boomzilla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Could use a bit better typography, but otherwise makes perfect sense.
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@Tsaukpaetra Indeed, it makes sense.
Day of week Lunch Dinner Sundays closed 3 pm to 9:30 pm Monday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Tuesday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Wednesday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Thursday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Friday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:30 pm Saturday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:40 pm to 10:30 pm Edit: a critical hippo has suggested I rewrite this as:
Lunch: closed on Sundays, Monday thru Saturday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm
Dinner: Sundays from 3pm to 9:30pm, Monday thru Thursday from 4:30pm-10pm, Friday and Saturday from 4:30pm to 10:30pmIt's just bloody hard to read. Which does not make sense.
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@remi said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@boomzilla I agree. No one in their right mind would start the week on Sunday.
Or use 12h format.
(yes, I know I just did)
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@Zecc said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@Tsaukpaetra Indeed, it makes sense.
Day of week Lunch Dinner Sundays closed 3 pm to 9:30 pm Monday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Tuesday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Wednesday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Thursday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:00 pm Friday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:30 pm to 10:30 pm Saturday 11:30 am to 2:30 pm 4:40 pm to 10:30 pm Edit: a critical hippo has suggested I rewrite this as:
Lunch: closed on Sundays, Monday thru Saturday from 11:30 am to 2:30 pm
Dinner: Sundays from 3pm to 9:30pm, Monday thru Thursday from 4:30pm-10pm, Friday and Saturday from 4:30pm to 10:30pmIt's just bloody hard to read. Which does not make sense.
It's a damn sight less annoying than the places I often see that read:
Monday 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Tuesday 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Wednesday 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Thursday 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Friday 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Saturday 10:00 am - 8:00 pm
Sunday 10:00 am - 8:00 pmAnd it's even worse when they similarly have a column next to it to give the drive-thru hours, also the same every single day. Haven't they heard about factoring?
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@hungrier said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
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@xaade said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@hungrier said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
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I'm not sure, but I think it is Hoodie.
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@boomzilla Dat lowercase
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@xaade I recognized it before you posted the video. I'm so proud of us.
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@Bulb said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@HardwareGeek said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@Karla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
Leaves zero ambiguity.
As long as you don't have to deal with
historical datesdifferent calendars. Although that's not a problem for most software, if you're dealing with historical dates, it is ambiguous, because the year number didn't always change on 1 January. Depending on the location (and date, because countries sometimes changed when the new year started), the year number might change on 1 January, 25 December (Christmas, many countries in Europe), 29 August (Alexandria, Egypt), 1 September (Eastern Orthodox Church), 23 September (various Roman provinces (birth date of Augustus)), 1 March (Kievan Rus'), 25 March (spring equinox (approximately), Annunciation of Jesus), or even Easter (variable date). And that's not even considering Chinese, Hebrew, Mayan and hundreds of other calendars.Dates are hard.
As long as you stick to the proleptic Gregorian calendar, it's unambiguous. Granted, it might read differently to what people at the time wrote, but it's not ambiguous. If you want to mix different calendars, you basically have to annotate the dates with which calendar they are in – and then the format does not matter much any more, because it won't sort asciibetically no matter what you do anyway.
Oldest dates I have to work with are someone's birthday who was alive from 2008 or so. And the ones I format the file as yyyyMMdd are 24 and under.
I think I'm good.
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@Zecc said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@xaade I recognized it before you posted the video. I'm so proud of us.
The ASCII art is supposed to be Rick Astley?
I'm staring right at it and I still don't see it.
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@topspin I was talking about this:
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Xxxxx xxxx xxx xxxxxxxxxxI don't know what the other thing is either.
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@Zecc said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
I don't know what the other thing is either.
Probably a schooner
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@remi said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
@Karla said in The Official Funny Stuff Thread™:
I think I'm good.
Forum relationships are so cute.
Even if he is Canadian.
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@hungrier My money is on the park layout design. Displaying both of them.
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@hungrier stays clean this way
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@Gribnit Yes, that's it: that's how Clean Electricity is produced.
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