Trainwrecks. Watch them? Prevent them?
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Oh? I thought edit histories were private in this forum...
I never understood why visibility of histories was turned off in the first place. Or why there's a user option to turn them off/on.
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It didn't get implemented by someone on meta.d:
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Hmmmm... I think someone's going to be losing their newly discovered leader powers.
As long as no one lets him in to the "@blakeyrat is a bellend" forum, we are good.
I have said too much...
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I never understood why visibility of histories was turned off in the first place. Or why there's a user option to turn them off/on.
Some private information was inadvertently included in a screen shot, and as there was (is?) no way for admins to nuke a post and its history, it was decided safer to simply make edits private. I believe this was largely championed by @dhromed, who has been AWOL lately.
Eventually, updates were made to allow users to set this for themselves instead of a site wide admin setting.
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I never understood why visibility of histories was turned off in the first place.
You'd have to ask @PJH and/or @dhromed, because I remember one of them saying they'd discussed it and were concerned about potentially private data staying in, and due to the lack of a "purge this history item" option, they just disabled edit histories.
The user option I'm sure they're fine with, because it's an opt in.
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Some private information was inadvertently included in a screen shot,
Oh, someone did something stupid on the internet and everyone else pays the price?
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I benefited from that after the fact too.
If @system wasn't such a prick about rehosting images, I could've just deleted the one I uploaded to imgur, so even with edit history it would be a dead URL. But that's obviously Doing it Wrong™
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Oh, someone did something stupid on the internet and everyone else pays the price?
Yes, Jeff made Discourse and now we're all paying the price.
If there was a nuke option, (or if deleting the post actually deleted the damned thing instead of just hiding it for 24h) this whole thing would be unnecessary.
Jeff "fuck the laws, fuck the privacy" @wood Doesn't Get It, so we have to deal with his shit.
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If there was a nuke option, (or if deleting the post actually deleted the damned thing instead of just hiding it for 24h) this whole thing would be unnecessary.
That's another thing that's "on the roadmap." Or at least, @sam said he wanted to add. No clue where that is, but it seems (to me) like something that should be a v1 show stopper.
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That's, from my count, two EU laws Jeff shows no interest in helping his users follow.
Now, I don't care for the cookie thing much, but the "remove my damned info from your servers, yo!" one seems reasonable. And if I were to call on it right now, not one mod or admin could do squat, they would have to call upon Alex, or worse, someone from the disco crew, to nuke the data with a query, breaking who knows how many things.
Note: Yes, I realize that the request would go to Alex, not to mods, but still, just using the mod powers he'd be helpless as well.
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That's, from my count, two EU laws Jeff shows no interest in helping his users follow.
Was he actively against it? Or just an oversight in features?
I care fuck all about EU laws, but then I'm not trying to make money selling them websites, either.
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Now, I don't care for the cookie thing much, but the "remove my damned info from your servers, yo!" one seems reasonable. And if I were to call on it right now, not one mod or admin could do squat, they would have to call upon Alex, or worse, someone from the disco crew, to nuke the data with a query, breaking who knows how many things.
They wouldn't have to do anything. Alex's business is not in the EU and his server is not in the EU. That law is not enforceable here.
I care fuck all about EU laws
+1
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Was he actively against it?
He was openly hostile against the "cookie" law. I don't know if he is otherwise aware of the other law.
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He was openly hostile against the "cookie" law.
Ah, yes, that's familiar. Euro-technophobia amuses me.
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^ @boomzilla has more or less covered it.
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@Intercourse said:
They wouldn't have to do anything. Alex's business is not in the EU and his server is not in the EU. That law is not enforceable here.
Then what's the fucking point of the thing? I haven't read it, mind, I honestly don't know.
And ok, if you're right TDWTF is safe. But If I got kicked in the head by a hippopotamus tomorrow and decided I want my own Discourse instance that I host locally, I'd be fucked.
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Yes, but why would you do such a thing? Why would you choose to inflict this on yourself?
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decided I want my own Discourse instance that I host locally, I'd be fucked.
There is the problem. If they want this software to be EU safe, then they need to change the software. If they care fuck-all about the massive market in the EU, then they can keep on, keeping on. Seems like a silly stance to have though.
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I would like to point out that this is one issue I pointed out in Day One of Discourse consideration-- the rehosting of images makes it impossible to anonymize images after-the-fact. Which I've had to do several times on the old forums.
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Yes, but why would you do such a thing? Why would you choose to inflict this on yourself?
Did you miss the bit about the hippo?
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No, I just refuse to believe that even being kicked in the head by a hippo would do that much brain damage.
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Yes, but why would you do such a thing? Why would you choose to inflict this on yourself?
Ever got kicked in the head by a hippopotamus? Are you sure you would remain sane after that?
@Intercourse said:
If they want this software to be EU safe, then they need to change the software. If they care fuck-all about the massive market in the EU, then they can keep on, keeping on. Seems like a silly stance to have though.
Exactly my point, yes
Filed under: Delayed post due to mobile connection being a bitch
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I care fuck all about EU laws, but then I'm not trying to make money selling them websites, either.
One of the stated reasons that v1 is postponed is that they wanted to change the way Discourse installations send forum data to CDCK, Inc.The "cookies" thing isn't too dramatic, but private data being send from Europe to the US is an altogether different matter.
All it would take is a disgruntled user grassing Discourse's behaviour to the data privacy watchdog, and forum operators using Discourse might find themselves under unwelcome scrutiny regarding their handling of user data.
This would make headlines rather fast and might put off a lot of forum operators from using Discourse...
The EU is not a small market. While Jeff might limit the availability of Discourse to outside of the EU, his VC financers might have a different opinion about ignoring it.
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Ah, yes, that's familiar. Euro-technophobia amuses me.
The US-sexphobia is what amuses a lot of Europeans.Guess we all have to live with the fact that different countries think different in a variety of topics.
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The current title is funnier than the one I set. Kudos, whoever that was.
For posterity, it reads: Meatpaks. Loaf 'em? Heat 'em?
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It is amusing, but it just shows how Dickwood's silly gamification cannot tame all groups and how poor a fit Dicksource was for this community. Give us features, and we will just push them to their comedic ends instead of Doing It Right ™.
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@Intercourse said:
how poor a fit Dicksource was for this community. Give us features, and we will just push them to their comedic ends instead of Doing It Right ™.
Actually, that's probably one place where it is a good fit. More hilarity I say!
Now if the rest weren't so broken...
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Actually, that's probably one place where it is a good fit. More hilarity I say!
It works, just not the way originally intended. ;)
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@Intercourse said:
we will just push them to their comedic ends instead of Doing It Right ™.
That is doing it right (even if it's not Doing It Right™).
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Even if everyone hates Discourse, nobody can deny the fact that this forum has been more active during the time it has been up than the previous forum was during the same duration before Discourse arrived.
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Only because of attempts to break Discourse?
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I'd be interested in seeing statistics of forum activity if all the Discourse bitching was filtered out.
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@blakeyrat's law still applies, where every thread eventually trends towards bitching about Discourse.
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That's Blakeyrat's Second Law. Blakeyrat's First Law is about banner ads.
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We'd have to filter out all the CS bitching as well, which is a similar percentage.
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I didn't specify which law. I just knew it was one of them.
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We'd have to filter out all the CS bitching as well, which is a similar percentage.
CITATION NEEDED
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Aw who changed the title back. The coatracks one was brilliant.
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Aw who changed the title back. The coatracks one was brilliant.
Not guilty, and you should be able to discover that for yourself; I made a CSS change the other day to override the default pencil colors - if the pencil top-right of the post is red/orange, you can view the history regardless of who's post it is. If it's grey, you can't.
The one on the first post should be red for you.
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So the pencil on the post displays history of the title... which is about 50 pixels above the top of the post... and also has its own pencil... which is black and not red.
How discourse-y.
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It's confusing having the same icon for "Edit This" and "This was Edited". Especially when "This was Edited" is nowhere near the item that was edited.
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For posterity, it reads: Meatpaks. Loaf 'em? Heat 'em?
Thanks. I missed that one. Currently it reads "Coatracks. Glove 'em? Hat 'em?"Edit: which was your doing. I do think it's brilliant, so I gave you a like (FWIW) on your "The coatracks one was brilliant" post.
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I look upon what I hath wrought with wonder, for surely I have created a beautiful trend.
Now go forth my children, and happily edit the titles of many a post in entertaining ways.
use the sexy pencil to make sexy edits on sexy topic titles with sexy keyboards!
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The US-sexphobia is what amuses a lot of Europeans.
And yet, we seem to be better at it. Go figure.
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From my (admittedly limited) sampling, you may seem better at it, but you're not actually better at it.
Filed under: Gold medal goes to Finland
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Got a lot of Finns pregnant, did you?
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Not as far as I know.
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Not as far as I know.
So you don't understand the difference between seeming and actually being good at it? This is starting to remind me of conversing with Jeff.
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The definition of "being good at" sex is rather open to interpretation. If you're going to assume it's all down to the birth rate by head of population, then it's hardly surprising a primitive society of godbotherers is "better" than an enlightened society with, y'know, some actual history of thinking.
Here's a hint. If the list of countries that are "better" at something than you is largely composed of third-world shitholes where no-one in their right mind would want to live, you might want to consider getting worse at it rather than even better.