The Official Status Thread
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status: replacement skin for on my phone arrived:
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@Tsaukpaetra Somebody else@izzion as usual made the point more clearly for me already. It's bc the protocol, is the short and uninformative form.
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@Gribnit said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Somebody else as usually made the point more clearly for me already. It's bc the protocol, is the short and uninformative form.
Reading to the end of the thread is
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@Tsaukpaetra Damnit, you preserved my typo, now @boomzilla's alts will have more evidence that I'm losing my mind.
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@izzion said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra
1,6,11 are the only three non-interfering 20MHz channels in 2.4GHz space, not many other choices to useThere's no such thing as "non interfering", just "doesn't really make a difference when you're more than 10 feet away".
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@Tsaukpaetra Please replay what you just posted with all the harmonics across all combinations of three channels in the space.
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@Gribnit said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Please replay what you just posted with all the harmonics across all combinations of three channels in the space.
what?
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@pie_flavor Although I can say with certainty that this request for clarification is valid, this is only because this request is coming from you.
Radio transmissions have a tendency to find creative (and destructive, good harmonics joke) ways to interfere with one another.
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@Gribnit but nobody listens to the radio anymore
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@pie_flavor Except for all of our computers.
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@Tsaukpaetra
Channel 1, centered on 2412MHz, uses frequency space from 2402-2422MHz
Channel 6, centered on 2437MHz, uses frequency space from 2427-2447MHz
Channel 11, centered on 2462MHz, uses frequency space from 2452-2472MHzThus, the three channels don't interfere with each other. When someone comes along and gets cute like "oh hey I'll use Channel 4 because nobody else is on it", then they wind up interfering with both Channel 1 and Channel 6 (since Channel 4 ranges from 2417-2437MHz), but the Auto settings on routers are set up to maximize the utility of the 2.4GHz space, such as it is.
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@izzion said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra
Channel 1, centered on 2412MHz, uses frequency space from 2402-2422MHz
Channel 6, centered on 2437MHz, uses frequency space from 2427-2447MHz
Channel 11, centered on 2462MHz, uses frequency space from 2452-2472MHzThus, the three channels don't interfere with each other. When someone comes along and gets cute like "oh hey I'll use Channel 4 because nobody else is on it", then they wind up interfering with both Channel 1 and Channel 6 (since Channel 4 ranges from 2417-2437MHz), but the Auto settings on routers are set up to maximize the utility of the 2.4GHz space, such as it is.
And they'll choose wrong because that's not how frequencies work. And in effect, that "maximizing" actually harms the spectrum they choose because everyone else is doing the same thing and ending up overlapping (exactly) the same frequency.
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@Tsaukpaetra
I'd love to see your documentation for how things work. Because I've worked in the Wireless ISP industry for five years, and I can say for certain that I've seen the negative effects of trying to use 3 or 4 and 8 or 9 to "hide" in between 1/6/11... it's a much worse option than just holding your nose and using the three non-overlapping channels as best as possible.
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@Gribnit said in The Official Status Thread:
Radio transmissions have a tendency to find creative (and destructive, good harmonics joke) ways to interfere with one another.
Upvoted for good harmonics joke.
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@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
Y'all don't mind if I use this site to host a backup of my Keepass database right?
Pretty useless if your TDWTF password is stored in it
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One of the two radio streaming sites I listen to:
The offending code:
Note that nothing visible to the user will happen as a result of this call
including the error that gets thrown — except that it doesn't get thrown, because JS blows up with a ReferenceError because google isn't true or false; it's undefined. The page fails to load, but the user has no clue at all why.
// We can't do anything without the Google IMA SDK so fail now if it's not available
Which Ghostery says is an advertising tracker and blocks. Well, maybe this isn't one of my favorite radio streaming sites any more.
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@Jaloopa why? You don't need a password to access uploads.
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@izzion said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra
I'd love to see your documentation for how things work. Because I've worked in the Wireless ISP industry for five years, and I can say for certain that I've seen the negative effects of trying to use 3 or 4 and 8 or 9 to "hide" in between 1/6/11... it's a much worse option than just holding your nose and using the three non-overlapping channels as best as possible.Why provide documentation when I can make fantastic claims and sound angry on the Internet?
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@Tsaukpaetra +5, insightful.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
And they'll choose wrong because that's not how frequencies work. And in effect, that "maximizing" actually harms the spectrum they choose because everyone else is doing the same thing and ending up overlapping (exactly) the same frequency.
No.
The signal isn't like a mountain that is highest in the center, and it's not like having a "peak" that nobody else is centered on is going to help your signal get through better. Wi-fi utilizes a full 20 MHz frequency range for each channel. Inside that 20 MHz range, the signal is as flat as possible in order to fully utilize all of the frequences and get the highest possible connection speed. But the channels aren't 20 MHz apart; they overlap.
A perfect wi-fi antenna would have 100% signal strength at every frequency in its 20 MHz range and 0% signal strength at every frequency outside of it. And it would stomp on any device using a wi-fi channel less than 5 channels away, because its frequences would overlap with those frequencies.
It's really stupid that it was designed that way, but . You were right, it should have just been channels 1, 2, and 3. But at the time that it was designed, RF band-pass filters weren't as good as they are now, so the signal probably was more centered around the middle of the channel. As RF filters got better (and cheaper) and the need for speed got higher and higher, it became more and more important to squeeze every last bit possible out of the frequencies at the edges of the channel's RF band.
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Status: Perceived work involved in recreation approaching perceived work involved in required activities.
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@Gribnit I enjoy writing Minecraft plugins, and it makes me money. So work becomes a recreational activity.
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@Gribnit said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra Damnit, you preserved my typo, now @boomzilla's alts will have more evidence that I'm losing my mind.
No one needs any more evidence of that.
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
You were right, it should have just been channels 1, 2, and 3.
There are more channels except in the US and the actual channels may be not the ones you thought.
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@anotherusername I still don't understand how overlapping two halves of different bands can be much worse than overlapping one full band.
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@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername I still don't understand how overlapping two halves of different bands can be much worse than overlapping one full band.
Because the senders negotiate who gets to send a packet in which slot. Think of it as lanes on a highway. You have people in the left lane. You have people in the right lane.
And now you have an idiot in the middle who swerves rapidly from left to right and vice versa.
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Status: @boomzilla, please never upload any more media files to Twitter because this page is perfect:
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
You were right, it should have just been channels 1, 2, and 3.
There are more channels except in the US and the actual channels may be not the ones you thought.
That is also true, but I'm talking about the channels that the FCC has designated for Wi-Fi.
In Somalia you could probably broadcast on any frequencies you wanted (if you could hack the hardware to make it). But here there are a handful of frequency ranges that you're legally allowed to use for Wi-Fi without getting an FCC license first.
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@anotherusername RADIO WAVES ARE SPEECH
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@Gribnit said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername RADIO WAVES ARE SPEECH
ROUTERS ARE PEOPLE!
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@Jaloopa said in The Official Status Thread:
@Gribnit said in The Official Status Thread:
@anotherusername RADIO WAVES ARE SPEECH
ROUTERS ARE PEOPLE!
AND PHONE'S FUCK WITH BOTH!
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
AND PHONE'S FUCK WITH BOTH!
Phone's what?
Who was phone?
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@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
AND PHONE'S FUCK WITH BOTH!
Phone's what?
Is fuck! With both!
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@Jaloopa Archaic (and extremely rare) expression from the northeast coast of America, from before telco amalgamation. A "phone's fuck" was an expression for the tangles of wires you might find, similar to unamalgamated telco approaches you might find elsewhere today. TMYK.
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@anotherusername said in The Official Status Thread:
That is also true, but I'm talking about the channels that the FCC has designated for Wi-Fi.
That's OK. I wasn't. ;) (I was also fascinated to see that the standard wifi band picture doesn't actually hold with the sort of wifi that is commonly deployed these days, and is both squarer and a bit more tightly packed. TIL.)
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@Jaloopa said in The Official Status Thread:
@loopback0 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
AND PHONE'S FUCK WITH BOTH!
Phone's what?
Who was phone?
No, Who's on first.
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You know, for something so easy and consequence-free, it's remarkably hard to get women to sit on your face.
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@anonymous234 said in The Official Status Thread:
it's remarkably hard to get women to sit on your face.
It's easier when the bus is full and there's nowhere else for her to sit.
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Status: Feeling sexual. I think.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Whatever. Fuck it.
(foolishly) decided to contact Support, because I just want a little closure.
Simple enough, their form is limited in characters, so I had to keep it short. Let's see what they say!
Oh, they don't even use my name in their form letter? Sadface. So, we start off with "Stop hacking! Use new phone!"
Well, thanks, I guess. I respond to their assertions:
And another picture-less person responds with a form letter:
"If it's not working, you're phone is probably broken and won't work. We're too stupid to help. Maybe try new phone?"
Gee, thanks.
Fuck Niantic. Can't even use my %%FName%% in your shallow attempts to victim-blame.
Whatever...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Feeling sexual. I think.
If you're sitting on the computer and typing this then you most definitely not feeling sexual. It was probably a random boner. Shoo it off and move along.
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@Tsaukpaetra I see the problem... 8.1 is greater than what they support. Or they simply suck at version detection (they hired the people that do such stupid things that MS has to deprecate GetVersion[Ex]?)
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@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra I see the problem... 8.1 is greater than what they support. Or they simply suck at version detection (they hired the people that do such stupid things that MS has to deprecate GetVersion[Ex]?)
It works on my phone running 8.1, so it shouldn't be the version detection that's breaking it. (Mind you, I never PLAY the damn thing, because I can't be arsed to go out and about just to catch Pokemon, but it works)
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@stillwater said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Feeling sexual. I think.
If you're sitting on the computer and typing this then you most definitely not feeling sexual. It was probably a random boner. Shoo it off and move along.
What if I was laying under the computer and typing that?
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@e4tmyl33t said in The Official Status Thread:
@dcon said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra I see the problem... 8.1 is greater than what they support. Or they simply suck at version detection (they hired the people that do such stupid things that MS has to deprecate GetVersion[Ex]?)
It works on my phone running 8.1, so it shouldn't be the version detection that's breaking it. (Mind you, I never PLAY the damn thing, because I can't be arsed to go out and about just to catch Pokemon, but it works)
I think they don't approve my uber haxor scary ROM that doesn't come from Big Head Honcho Manufacturer.
No skin off my back.
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@Tsaukpaetra at* the computer. Goddamnit! But you get my point though.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Feeling sexual. I think.
That's good; a lot of people stop thinking when they start feeling.
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@TwelveBaud said in The Official Status Thread:
@Cursorkeys said in The Official Status Thread:
Need to come up with a way to limit the input class to
DatabaseContext
s though, sentinel interface detected by reflection maybe?public class ConnectionHelper<TDbc> where Tdbc : DatabaseContext
@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
@Cursorkeys said in The Official Status Thread:
public class ConnectionHelper<TDbc>
why not just
public static class ConnectionHelper<TDbc> where TDbc : DatabaseContext
That's helpful then! There are lots of different
DatabaseContext
classes as they expose implementation details for the particular DB they service so I made an empty marker interface and used that for the constraint. Works great.Thanks for the help. I should use generics more.
Edit: Also no mice in my bed last night, maybe the mouse supply has (finally) run out. This is good news for my cat as he was going to get locked in the kitchen every night unless he stopped, I wasn't finding chase-the-mouse-around-the-room-at-4am as entertaining as he was.
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@HardwareGeek said in The Official Status Thread:
@Tsaukpaetra said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: Feeling sexual. I think.
That's good; a lot of people stop thinking when they start feeling.
Google wasn't feeling into it, I guess...