The Official Status Thread
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@lucas1 You'd think so, but not really?
They don't really understand how pollination works. They'll shit on you for using products of 'exploitation' while drinking kombucha, unaware that tea plants need bee pollination.
Don't bring up locally-produced honey versus tea imported from India. Or swarming behavior of bees and forage overexploitation or essentially anything about bees or bee cultivation.
(Even if you think bees deserve their honey, they are kind of dumb and we as humans should be taking it from them. If allowed to just collect as much honey as they can they'll grow the hive until it swarms, making two hives. This'll continue until there's as many bees as the local forage can sustain, except then the system is at capacity and seasonal variations(better hope every year has the same exact flower yield) or year-to-year variation leads to starvation and inter-hive warfare and much suffering and death of bees. The current system involves lots of beekeeper effort preventing malthusian catastrophe in exchange for honey. It's a lot more like keeping cats than keeping dogs. Dogs are pets, cats and bees are business partners. )
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(Even if you think bees deserve their honey, they are kind of dumb and we as humans should be taking it from them. If allowed to just collect as much honey as they can they'll grow the hive until it swarms, making two hives. This'll continue until there's as many bees as the local forage can sustain, except then the system is at capacity and seasonal variations(better hope every year has the same exact flower yield) or year-to-year variation leads to starvation and inter-hive warfare and much suffering and death of bees. The current system involves lots of beekeeper effort preventing malthusian catastrophe in exchange for honey. It's a lot more like keeping cats than keeping dogs. Dogs are pets, cats and bees are business partners. )
Surely this is a variation of the predator-prey relationship from evolutionary theory? I am a bit weak with my understanding on this front.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Rhywden If you think this is crazy.
There is inter-sectional vegan-ism.
It basically crosses vegan-ism with feminism ... so a cow is an oppressed and objectified female and therefore it is sexist to milk a cow.
What vegans never mention is that most of everything we eat has been bred into the form we see it now. Cattle for example has a wild (now Extinct) ancestor was an Auroch.
It only got more crazy until it got to a point where he accused me of trolling merely for pointing out the weak holes in his arguments. Also, the goal post moving was strong with him.
Then he pulled out the ad-hominems and told me that I was unable to read. When he himself did not quite understand that an action and talking about said action are two very different things.
There probably is a reason why he abandoned his studies in psychology. Also obviously didn't quite get to the part where they explain that there are three sides to every statement in a debate: What you wanted to say, what you actually said and what your counterpart made of it.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
Surely this is a variation of the predator-prey relationship from evolutionary theory?
Kind of? There's a giant continuum of predation/parasitism/commensalism/mutualism/symbiosis and all the different evolutionary processes happening at different levels.
It's fucking complicated, is my point. It's like three 'Why?' questions from first principles to right off the edge of the human knowledge cliff, so biologists more or less avoid talking about it. There are bitter bitter arguments about whether group selection is real, for example.
(It's fascinating but I can't talk to anyone about it. )
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@lucas1 Content Management System systems?
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@Rhywden said in The Official Status Thread:
Then he pulled out the ad-hominems and told me that I was unable to read. When he himself did not quite understand that an action and talking about said action are two very different things.
I got called a racist because I said the "Nigger" and "Jew" while quoting someone else that was openly racist.
EDIT: The other thing that pisses me off is "guilty by association". I have step brothers that are part of the national front, Because I share the same surname I am a racist as well.
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@JazzyJosh Haha, I should totally over-engineer something like that.
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@AyGeePlus said in The Official Status Thread:
(It's fascinating but I can't talk to anyone about it. )
Because their eyes glaze over and they fall asleep where they stand? Yeah. Been there, done that.
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
@Rhywden said in The Official Status Thread:
Then he pulled out the ad-hominems and told me that I was unable to read. When he himself did not quite understand that an action and talking about said action are two very different things.
I got called a racist because I said the "Nigger" and "Jew" while quoting someone else that was openly racist.
Yeah, that's about the level of reading-comprehension I was talking about. I mean, the guy even used a psychological term as a preeemptive defense (something akin to: "Oh, well, here comes the usual argument about... by the usual ...") and then was upset when I actually called that tactic a preemptive defense:
But it's a psychological standard! And why should I need to defend myself?
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Update 3 of 31
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@El_Heffe Red Doge! Very hatted. Much flag. Wow.
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Status:
ALL MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
ALL MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!
You've dreamed that a perverted penguin would follow you?
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GUN!!
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Status: In memory of Shorast Nogleshavuz / Born 209 / Struck down by the dwarf Bomrek Glovedpages the Steamy Flame of Purity with a pig tail sock in the year 270 / United with diorite
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@Tsaukpaetra In memory of Feb îtonegar / Born 211 / Drowned in the year 270 / United with lay pewter
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
In memory of Feb
That reminds me, how did my virtual character in your TDWTF embarkment do in the end? Is there record? Will I be remembered?
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@Tsaukpaetra Monom Tekkudshem was still alive when a new version of Dwarf Fortress came out and I stopped playing that world.
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Just had a training about the company software development proccesses.
Feeling annoyed because everything I work is done out of the proccess, because fucking management there suck.
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Status: this small bathroom sounds worlds different with all of the towels removed...
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@blakeyrat said in The Official Status Thread:
ALL MY DREAMS HAVE COME TRUE!
You better be on your best behavior from now on! Before you tweet that 50-ies comic panel or videogame rant, STOP. Think. Ask yourself, "is this good enough for Pokey?"
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Status: In memory of Shorast Nogleshavuz / Born 209 / Struck down by the dwarf Bomrek Glovedpages the Steamy Flame of Purity with a pig tail sock in the year 270 / United with diorite
You're still playing that dwarf thing? Haven't you gotten tired of it already?
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@cartman82 Every time he does rocks fall and everyone has FUN.
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TIL
If you try to debug google analytics script while AdBlock is on, You're Gonna Have A Bad Time.
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STATUS:
Successfully completed a frontend project on Windows. With gulp and browserify, the whole shebang.
Once I got my tooling in order, it wasn't THAT painful. But there're definitely fewer issues on Linux and Mac. Sorry, Windowshills!
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Today, a co-worker and I learnt about an exceptionally stupid piece of VB.NET fuckery.
Example using simple math, using about the same structure as the thing we encountered at work
For i As Integer = 1 To 10 Dim isEven As Boolean If (i Mod 2 = 0) Then isEven = True End If If isEven Then Console.WriteLine("even") Else Console.WriteLine("odd") End If Next
Output is of course not what you'd expect. It's "odd" followed by 9 times "even".
No warnings, even when using
Option Strict
.You can fix it by changing line 2 to say
Dim isEven As Boolean = Nothing
, but that's a small consolation for having to potentially search an entire solution for other places where this occurs (no, Visual Studio 2015's code analysis does not notice this, either).
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@cartman82 said in The Official Status Thread:
But there's definitely fewer issues on Linux and Mac
Do you think that might have something to do with knowing those platforms better and working around their foibles without thinking about it? I know when I try to do even fairly simple things on my wife's Mac I get frustrated that things are different to my PC and to the Mac I owned about 10 years ago.
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STATUS: Last night I went out dressed as a chicken and hooked up with a girl dressed as an egg. A lifelong question has been answered. It's the chicken.
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
Output is of course not what you'd expect. It's "odd" followed by 9 times "even".
It's reusing the
isEven
reference even though thedim
is within the for? That's unintuitive.
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@aliceif Does it reliably initialize to
FALSE
otherwise? Or is it just weird UB?
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@Onyx said in The Official Status Thread:
Does it reliably initialize to FALSE otherwise?
Yes.
According to MSDN:
"The variable is initialized to the default value for the data type. See the table later in this section."
Which isFalse
for Boolean.
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@aliceif Assumed so, but I had to ask...
I buttume it's the compiler optimizing stuff? Nasal demon territory either way. I suggest burning VB with fire. Like, yesterday.
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
"The variable is initialized to the default value for the data type. See the table later in this section."
but it's not reinitialized for each iteration of the loop i'm betting.... menaing once it gets set true it never gets set back.
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@Jaloopa said in The Official Status Thread:
Do you think that might have something to do with knowing those platforms better and working around their foibles without thinking about it? I know when I try to do even fairly simple things on my wife's Mac I get frustrated that things are different to my PC and to the Mac I owned about 10 years ago.
I've been using Windows since the 90-ies. I only got into linux and mac a few years ago.
So, no. The reason is all these tools and concepts are made with nix-like console and nix-like file system in mind. Which means Windows is like a red-haired stepchild of this world. Which means, every time you step even a little bit off the narrow beaten path, things start falling apart.
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@Onyx said in The Official Status Thread:
I suggest burning VB with fire. Like, yesterday.
agreed.
nuke the entire planet from orbit even. turn the planet into a pile of rubble..... it's the only way to be sure.
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@accalia But why does adding an initialization to the declaration make it work magically?
VB.NET is TDEMSYR either way.And it still does not output a warning for using an uninitialized local variable.
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
@accalia But why does adding an initialization to the declaration make it work magically?
NFC. i don't VB.
i was just guessing the code behavior based on the described output.
give it a try and let me know if it fixes it?
EDIT: oh you did.
yeah the explicit initialization is probably executed every time but the implicit once.
probably because VB hates proper CompSci people
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@El_Heffe said in The Official Status Thread:
STATUS: Last night I went out dressed as a chicken and hooked up with a girl dressed as an egg. A lifelong question has been answered. It's the chicken.
I feel your joke didn't get the attention it deserves.
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@accalia said in The Official Status Thread:
give it a try and let me know if it fixes it?
I already did, read my original post. (This is also what we ended up doing. Well, using
False
instead ofNothing
).
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
@accalia said in The Official Status Thread:
give it a try and let me know if it fixes it?
I already did, read my original post. (This is also what we ended up doing. Well, using
False
instead ofNothing
).sorry. it's before my caffeination ritual.... my brain is only at about 10% capacity right now, most of it dedicated to enacting my caffeination ritual
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@aliceif said in The Official Status Thread:
But why does adding an initialization to the declaration make it work magically?
The declaration (and default initialization) is being moved out of the loop. When you explicitly initialize (to
False
orNothing
), that becomes an assignment inside the loop.
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@accalia said in The Official Status Thread:
but it's not reinitialized for each iteration of the loop i'm betting...
I was thinking it was altering the scope of definition so that it was outside the loop.
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@dkf said in The Official Status Thread:
@accalia said in The Official Status Thread:
but it's not reinitialized for each iteration of the loop i'm betting...
I was thinking it was altering the scope of definition so that it was outside the loop.
/shrug
could be.
VB is only one step removed from voodoo if you ask me.
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@accalia said in The Official Status Thread:
VB is only one step removed from voodoo
Yeah, but we'll upgrade to voodoo later.
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I quite like VB :
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@lucas1 said in The Official Status Thread:
I quite like VB :
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@NedFodder But the variable only exists inside the For-Loop's scope, right?
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@ben_lubar said in The Official Status Thread:
Monom Tekkudshem was still alive when a new version of Dwarf Fortress came out and I stopped playing that world.
What about me #2, and me #1's wife @blakeyrat ?
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@accalia Because other than a few weird quircks, it's C# with different keywords.