😈 The Evil Ideas thread
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@FrostCat said:
b[u]y cough syrup... have to show ID.
What? You might make...shit, I don't even know, one or two doses of meth from a box of Sudafed.
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What? You might make...shit, I don't even know, one or two doses of meth from a box of Sudafed.
Oh noes.
Might being the operative word. But if it's meth you want, surely you're better off locating a cancerous chemistry teacher. Then again, in People's Republic of Canadistan, you can buy Codeine OTC with no questions asked, as long as you say "please" and "thank you" like a proper Canuck.
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Codeine OTC
In the UK it's OTC too, except they cut it with paracetamol. That's a problem in the evening if my back is killing me and I want to have a glass of wine or 3.
So to curb the, incredibly unlikely, possibility of someone getting addicted everyone can have 1000mg of something that is extremely hard on your liver
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my back is killing me
Not nearly as fast a mixing acetaminophen (paracetamol) and alcohol would, that's for sure. Not that that combination is exactly quick, of course. Funny how too much of a painkiller would kill you in a very painful way.
But yeah, the idea that they are going to prevent people from getting addicted by making it vastly easier to do harm to yourself with it by accident is just nuts. Still not as crazy as it is here in the US, but nuts even so.
Acetaminophen is pretty useful, and is considered an 'essential treatment', but the effective dose (200mg) is so close to the hepatotoxic dose (1000mg and above in a period of less than 4 hours, IIRC, a huge dose but entirely possible for someone in a lot of pain who is taking the 500mg capsules and not being careful about it) that long-term accumulated damage from overdoses is the leading cause of liver disease in the US. For decades no ever seemed to have even heard about how dangerous taking too much of it could be, or how dangerous mixing it with alcohol was, but now it's gone in the other direction and a lot of people are getting witch-hunt paranoid over it to the point where they won't take it at all.
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Acetaminophen is pretty useful, and is considered an 'essential treatment', but the effective dose (200mg) is so close to the hepatotoxic dose (1000mg and above in a period of less than 4 hours, IIRC, a huge dose but entirely possible for someone in a lot of pain who is taking the 500mg capsules and not being careful about it) that long-term accumulated damage from overdoses is the leading cause of liver disease in the US.
I think those doses might be a bit off. I've got some tablets here (was taking them for some aches a week ago) and they're 500mg each; the recommended dose is 1–2 per 4 hours. The hepatotoxic dose really can't be 1000mg or they'd be recommending something really dangerous.
Unless the preparation also involves something to slow the release. I can't tell.
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I'm probably misremembering it, but my understanding was that that dosage does some small amount of damage, minor enough to heal if it was a one-time thing but significant enough that a sustained dose at that level over several months would cause problems.
OTOH, most of the cases of liver damage associated with it are due to alcohol interactions, IIUC.
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I usually take only half the dose, and then only when I really want the pain to go away.
It's a shame that aspirin is not so easily available any more. It worked for me, and I didn't have the bad complications (mostly gastro-intestinal bleeding IIRC).
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Who needs a man in the middle attack when you've got a malicious browser?
Technically the browser is in the middle of me and the web server.
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So you're browser is doing a Lucky Pierre?
Filed Under: Look it up on Urban Dictionary. Or maybe not, you probably don't want to know.
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Technically the browser is in the middle of me and the web server
That. Was. The. Joke.
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I'm probably misremembering it, but my understanding was that that dosage does some small amount of damage, minor enough to heal if it was a one-time thing but significant enough that a sustained dose at that level over several months would cause problems.
OTOH, most of the cases of liver damage associated with it are due to alcohol interactions, IIUC.
It's better to make the dangerous dosage relative to body weight. For Acetaminophen it's 150 mg / kg which would roughly equate to 10 grams for an adult for a one-time dose.
The alcohol is dangerous because it reduces the breakdown rate, thus alcoholics have a way lower LD50.
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@tar said:
Codeine OTC
In the UK it's OTC too, except they cut it with paracetamol.
Codeine is more soluble than paracetamol in cold water, so a mortar and pestle, a refrigerator and a coffee filter will deal with that issue.
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That's ingenious but probably (at least technically) illegal here. I think that would fall under manufacturing a controlled drug as codeine by itself is prescription only.
It's a shame that aspirin is not so easily available any more. It worked for me, and I didn't have the bad complications (mostly gastro-intestinal bleeding IIRC).
Same here, the ASPRO 2x500mg dispersible tablets worked great and no side effects for me. I can't find them any more and the pharmacist told me that aspirin is no longer recommended because of the bleeding issues.
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Paper clips shaped like a bone:
I can't be sure if who design them knew what they were doing:
But I like to think they knew:
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probably (at least technically) illegal here.
That's an interesting question, because you're not actually manufacturing anything. That isn't really ingenius, it's just a basic purification technique of the sort you learn in a college-level general chemistry lab. I'm not sure if it's illegal there to purify controlled substances, and I'm not sure if, where you live, requiring a prescription means it's considered a controlled substance.
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That isn't really ingenius
I was trying to compliment the solution to the complaint rather than the process.
I'm not sure if, where you live, requiring a prescription means it's considered a controlled substance.
No, not in the UK. You can be prescribed quite a range of things:
@The NHS said:Subject to the prescriber having the appropriate prescribing rights, any food, drug, toiletry or cosmetic may be prescribed on an NHS prescription.
But Codeine is a class B drug here until compounded specifically for OTC sales.
At least colloquially, if you said 'prescription medicine' to someone here they would assume you were talking about something [i]only[/i] available by prescription.
Ask your doctor if bacon sandwich is right for you!
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No, not in the UK. You can be prescribed quite a range of things:
I hate to defend Fox, but you misread what he said.
A doctor can prescribe anything, a pillow even. A lot of the stuff they prescribe, any moron can just walk into a Target and buy at any time. That's what your NHS text is talking about.
But Fox was talking about products that require a prescription to buy. Those are called controlled substances. "require" is a pretty important word.
At least colloquially, if you said 'prescription medicine' to someone here they would assume you were talking about something only available by prescription.
That assumption is stupid. I've been prescribed Tums before. Tums is just flavored chalk.
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That assumption is stupid
It is.
The correct term (here in the UK, at least) is prescription-only medicine.
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In the US, controlled substances aren't necessarily drugs or medicine. Something like 95% of them are, though.
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I hate to defend Fox, but you misread what he said.
Sorry to @Fox then, I think I'm being dense. I'm not sure exactly what he's getting at otherwise?
That assumption is stupid. I've been prescribed Tums before. Tums is just flavored chalk.
The correct term (here in the UK, at least) is prescription-only medicine.
Well, just reporting on my experiences. Guess it might be limited to around me then...
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Well, just reporting on my experiences. Guess it might be limited to just me then...
No, I've seen plenty of people make the distinction between over the counter medicine and prescription medicine. It's just laziness and omitting the "only" from @loopback0's term
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Sorry to @Fox then, I think I'm being dense. I'm not sure exactly what he's getting at otherwise?
Well, in the US, medication which requires a prescription is not necessarily a "controlled substance". Things like Adderall are Rx-only, and controlled substances, but things like Lisinopril are just Rx-only.
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Well, in the US, medication which requires a prescription is not necessarily a "controlled substance". Things like Adderall are Rx-only, and controlled substances, but things like Lisinopril are just Rx-only.
Right, understood (finally). I think it's exactly the same. In this case Codeine is 'Class B' unless specifically prepared with other things, the max strength is also limited.
So, undoing the preparation without having the prescription to allow you to posses pure codeine is probably not OK. Godknows if anyone would actually care though.
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Unless you started selling it or snorting it in a DEA office, they probably wouldn't give a shit. Or as an addon to some other charges to fuck you over as much as possible.
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but now it's gone in the other direction and a lot of people are getting witch-hunt paranoid over it to the point where they won't take it at all.
Some annual physical blood tests showed issues with liver enzymes. I had been taking a fair amount of Excedrin (aspirin + acetaminophen + caffeine) at the time. There were probably some other contributing factors, but I stopped taking acetaminophen at that point and haven't had a problem. Haven't missed it, either.
For day to day pain killers, I use Anacin (aspirin + caffeine), ibuprofen or naproxen sodium.
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OK, that seems reasonable given that you had been using it regularly and there were actual indications of some liver damage; even if it wasn't the cause, discontinuing it would at least minimize the risk in that case. I'm talking about people with no known liver problems who won't take it even for a once-in-a-blue-moon headache.
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I can't get any painkiller to do shit when I need it, but they'll gladly make me sick if I take too much or take them on an empty stomach or take them too frequently. I had 400mg of Ibuprofin this morning that doesn't seem to have done crap for me :/
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Yes, I agree. I just figured it would be stupid to keep taking it at the time.
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I can't get any painkiller to do shit when I need it
Eh tu?
I don't take pills anymore because of how ineffective they are.
Well, they're effective enough I guess, after a fashion. They need to get through the Bio-filter process first:- Injest pill (0.5 Seconds)
- Pill gets flagged for audit as a foreign material and gets sidelined for authentication (30 min to 2 hours)
- If Pill contents authenticated: Jump to step 0 (10 sec)
- If Pill contents not authenticated, destroy into components for reclamation (3 hours)
- Constituent parts are conscripted for virtualization tests, drafted, countersigned, approved, tested, approved for testing, and prepared for deployment. (2-7 hours)
- Pill contents are deployed (30 min)
- Pill results are destroyed into components for reclamation. (30 min)
- Reclamation and disposal (3 min)
So by the time said medication gets deployed, the issue has already been long past, or mitigated through some other result outside the intended use.
For example, I took enough melatonin to sedate a small horse, and it didn't do anything except make my breath smell odd, however, by noon it took effect and I couldn't stay awake for anything.
Filed under: Stupid red tape
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Painkillers never do anything for me, either. The only drugs I take regularly are for my acid-filled fat-ass stomach.
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I took said ibuprofin at 7am, and experienced no noticeable change in pain throughout the day. It's not impossible that there was a slight reduction, but it was still "swear under my breath" painful every time I stood.
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It's not impossible that there was a slight reduction
I just chalk it up to the chemicals targeting attributes that aren't the actual source of the pain.I've noticed that no medications that "Cover up" symptoms or alters my brain chemistry ever work for me. This includes anti-depressants, depressants, neurotoxins, and others (I don't have my "list of things to tell the medics that don't work on me" pamphlet with me at the moment).
I think this is my primary reason why I don't do drugs, alcohol, or smoke: It's expensive and doesn't do a thing for me...
Filed under: 6 shots of novocaine and I still felt the b.....m needle...
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Ah, see, I have fairly normal neurochemistry. Morphine was awesome the last time I was hospitalized, and general anesthetic works just fine. Best I can tell from my regular visits to the pain clinic, I'm sensitized to pain, to the point where my brain will invent some if I'm not in enough of it >.>
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brain will invent some
I... envy you?
Sorry, I can't say that with a straight face, I seem to have lost it.This isn't to say I don't feel pain, I just can't ignore it with funky chemicals and injections. It was frickin' annoying when I scraped my shin rolling over it on an ATV and the only thing I could do is stimulate it until desensitized.
I'm special.
Filed under: Sometimes though, normal for a day would be relaxing I think...
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I can't get any painkiller to do shit when I need it, but they'll gladly make me sick if I take too much or take them on an empty stomach or take them too frequently.
Do you get headaches or other pain? If the former, and you're not at risk for stroke, talk to your doctor about Imitrex.
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I have chronic pain from my knee condition.
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Sounds like you kneed an exoskeleton.
in an excited announcer voice And now, take advantage of this wonderful opportunity to be Assimilated into the Collective! Gone will be those aches and pains you can't get rid of! Never again will you ever be alone! Contribute to the Greater Whole!abrupt cut with mild static, then in MultiVoice: Welcome to The Collective. Your Care Package will arrive momentarily. Please assume the Party Escort Position and prepare for initiation. Resistance is Futile.
Filed under: All your base
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The Collective
Buh? I was thinking Ripley in Aliens only perhaps a bit more suited to everyday life and not "a cargo loader", not any kind of Borg thing.
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Buh? I was thinking Ripley in Aliens only perhaps a bit more suited to everyday life and not "a cargo loader", not any kind of Borg thing.
The one in Elysium would be perfect. Clothes might be an issue though.
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Details, details.
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I got to try out Metamizol (aka Novaminsulfon) for my kidney stones related issues. That stuff does help. Also turns your urine red if taken more than once. And probably has other nasty side-effects, I didn't want to look too closely.
By the way, for the guys here - If a doctor tries to tell you that they can insert a double-j catheter into your ureter without having you under general anaesthetic, just with a local anaesthetic:
Don't. Yes, it's possible. No, it's not nice. You will scream. And you will feel like you're pissing lava afterwards for several days.
Insist on general anaesthetic - that way the doctor can take his time, you won't feel anything and your urethra won't be scraped open. Granted, the urinary catheter was a unwelcome surprise but that one only burns for about a minute after they pull it out.
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Insist on general anaesthetic
I want general for just about every procedure, just in case >.>
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@Rhywden said:
Insist on general anaesthetic
I want general for just about every procedure, just in case >.>
Yeah. The fuckers in that first procedure tried to sell me the variant on local only under the general heading of: "Well, you can walk out of here mere hours afterwards."
Didn't happen, due to the pissing-lava-issue. Since I now have had the same procedure twice, I think I can compare it quite well and the doctors at my first operation didn't really know what they were doing. I mean, they pulled the double-j catheter out again after two weeks without checking if the kidney stone was out of the kidney. Luckily, it did and I was able to fish out a nice 1 cm by 5 mm by 5 mm specimen out of the bowl a week later.
The 2nd time the stone had already partially grown into the mucous membrane of the kidney so they had to kind of rip it out as a last resort instead of smashing it with a laser. That wasn't much fun either because it necessitated a change of the urinary catheter later on due to blood clots blocking it. Not an experience I'd wish on my worst enemy.
