I'm still a grumpy cat: a final plea to Alex
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You can do this quick and dirty by specifying "Cache-Control: no-cache" in your page header.
This is the nuclear option, don't encourage it. There are things like ETags and If-Modified-Since headers.
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Filed under: What is "tits on a dustbin" even implying?
That the refuse collection tour will leave your bin unemptied if your bin sports D-cup size tits, because the bin doesn't fit the loader mechanism on the truck any more.
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@Kuro said:
What is "tits on a dustbin" even implying?
That the refuse collection tour will leave your bin unemptied if your bin sports D-cup size tits, because the bin doesn't fit the loader mechanism on the truck any more.So that's how I can get them to stop throwing out all my important documents!
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if you desire a native HTML interface you can't just add JavaScript hacks.
Erm, sorry, but that's simply wrong. Design a forum software right and you can have both.That would mean that you start at the premise that a forum is essentially a collection of HTML pages with some CGI stuff to let people post and reply. You can then add Javascript on top of that, like a fancy editor, "like" buttons that don't trigger a reload, autoloading new posts as they arrive etc.
However, the Discourse design process seems to have been something like this: "Let's build a web app using the Ember framework". Retrospectively then making that web app more "HTML" compatible is difficult if not impossible.
From what I read in the discussions about Discourse on TDWTF, people generally seem to prefer the first approach. Make it work, then add Javascript functionality to make it work nicer and with fancy new features.
Since most people have an attitude of "I am right and you are wrong" from their point of view Discourse is doing it wrong.
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Well, ok, but you can hardly compare the quantity of responses / threads on Discourse to the quantity on CS.
Actually, let's compare - I reckon what... 98% of posts on this place are about Discourse - that's not the same ratio as the posts on CS about CS.
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This is an unfair comparison, compare it to amount of posts on CS about CS, when CS was introduced after being established for 5 years as different forum software.
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However, the Discourse design process seems to have been something like this: "Let's build a web app using the Ember framework". Retrospectively then making that web app more "HTML" compatible is difficult if not impossible.
I guess that was my whole point here. Our backend is very rich and would work just fine to drive an html front end, it is, however a big undertaking.
I think there are two families of web developers at the moment.
Family 1:
- HTML first, exemplified by DHH.
Family 2:
- JavaScript rich application (ember, angular, etc), exemplified by say Wycats.
I am somewhere on the fence probably more in Family 1 than Family 2 usually. However, this project, is JavaScript first project. Its the nature of the beast.
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Actually, let's compare - I reckon what... 98% of posts on this place are about Discourse - that's not the same ratio as the posts on CS about CS.
Just look at the numbers of comments on articles where the comment system is Discourse:
- Goodies & Bits 'n Pieces: 28 comments
- Run Interval Roulette: 22 comments
- last Get Error'd: 69 comments, but appr. half of these about Discourse.
Compare that to the whopping 207 comments on this topic alone. So perhaps not 98% but somewhere in the region of > 90% definitely.
So yes, right now it seems as if TDWTF is mainly about Discourse.
Or, as @skotl said it earlier:
@skotl said:I've just realised that I've not been on the thedailywtf.com front page for a week and a half, when I used to be on a couple of times a day.
Discourse seems to completely drown out the site's original purpose: to present interesting wtfs and then laugh about / discuss them.
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So yes, right now it seems as if TDWTF is mainly about Discourse.
The plan is for this to taper down, give it a few more weeks.
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Compare that to the whopping 207 comments on this topic alone. So perhaps not 98% but somewhere in the region of > 90% definitely.
Let's look at the actual post stats from the category page:- Meta: 1788 / week
- Side Bar WTF: 484 / week
- General: 415 / week
- Article: 133 / week
(there's maybe 50 / week in the other leftover categories, we'll ignore those.)
So that's 1,032 + 1,788 = 2,820, meaning 63% of posts are in the meta category.
Did we have 500+ reply meta-topics on bbs.boingboing.net after transition? Yes we did. Do we have them now? Or for that matter even two months after the transition? Nope.
Filed under: I find your beliefs fascinating
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And someone must like Suggested since it is set to show 10 topics here instead of the 5 it defaults to..
Me.
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What's more, the Article discussion category isn't yet serving anything like as much of TDWTF as it is planned to, as the bugs get ironed out. (Error'd never attracted the greatest number of comments in the first place.)
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On top of that, the lack of real article discussion to fill the void, there's probably 300+ posts in the meta category that have nothing at all to do with meta, they're just extended digressions on god knows what.
Filed under: behold the power of this not fully armed and not fully operational battle station!
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Not the entire meta category is Discourse negative. The FAQs and a bunch of other topics are 'normal' meta's. And per WTF tradition there is also a lot of off-topic WTFery going on in most of the meta-topics. That's not regression. That is the kind of talk we come here for.
@faoileag said:So yes, right now it seems as if TDWTF is mainly about Discourse.
I have the impression that there is more genuinly WTF talk going on then previously.
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I'd use [suggested topics] if it was sorted in a sane way.
Yeah, I haven't tried to figure out how it works. But it shows stuff I haven't read, and I pretty much just keep clicking until all the blue circles are gone. Which is what I do when I first navigate here and start out on the Latest page.
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Yeah, I haven't tried to figure out how it works.
https://meta.discourse.org/t/how-does-suggested-topics-work-and-how-can-we-improve-it/2316/2
Though given it was written over a year ago, I'm not at all sure the algorithm hasn't changed, but CBA to so spelunking for this one
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Yeah, I think I've read that before. Since I've told Discourse that I'm basically interested in everything, so long as it gives me unread stuff, I'm happy.
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Here you go, another unread post :)
Filed under: Your'e welcome
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Here you go, another unread post :)
Filed under: Your'e welcome
This was fascinating.
Filed under: Would read again!
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Come on, it's better than "your".
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faoileag said:
So yes, right now it seems as if TDWTF is mainly about Discourse.
===virtual nested quote===The plan is for this to taper down, give it a few more weeks.
That's not a plan, it's a hope. And hope, as we all know, is not a strategy.
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And the lists span categories, instead of having to go to different forums in CS.
The Not Read forum also spans subforums.
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I would say that people with accessibility issues like @ender, have real gripes. The rest of you, insofar as you whine about how awful Discourse is (especially now that they've fixed a lot of the bugs and rough edges we started with) just need to stop whining
Aye.It bears repeating: clearly DC's "awfulness" hasn't stopped anyone from writing lots of posts about DC and talking with lots of people about DC, and have no trouble reading posts from people on DC.
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Generally, what people are looking for in a back button is the ability to "go back to where I was before". Not "go forward to somewhere else".
DC doesn't stop you from doing either.
The point is to get to new/unread stuff. Use the suggested links at the bottom. Just change your workflow for this case.
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I like DC, mostly.
But folks gritting their teeth and putting up with a system they dislike/actively hate isn't proof that it's a good/better system.
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That's true.
The observation that meta- and hate-discussions die down isn't an objective signal that users merely hate change and just have to get used to something; it might equally be a signal that they're given up, like the dog on the electrified floor.
A caused C, but when you observe C you can't automatically conclude A, because B also causes C. This has a name, but I am too unversed to know it.
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A caused C, but when you observe C you can't automatically conclude A, because B also causes C. This has a name, but I am too unversed to know it.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc?Filed under: No, I'm not a smartass, I made it a question, see?
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it might equally be a signal that they're given up
I'm sure some will. Others will have adjusted and learned the new system. We'll all like it in different degrees, some negatively enough to bitchquit.
Filed Under: We're way beyond ragequitting
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Wish we would all stop talking about discourse!
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Stop the discourse about the Discourse?
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No, just the discourse dyscourse.
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>faoileag said:
So yes, right now it seems as if TDWTF is mainly about Discourse.I have the impression that there is more genuinly WTF talk going on then previously.
I think both statements are true. The proportion of WTF talk to socioeconopolitical flame wars and general silliness is higher than usual, but the WTFs we are talking about are mostly found within TDWTF rather than user-submitted.
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Socioeconopolitical flame wars are what we do best!
EDIT: but that's really just a subset of general silliness
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STOP THAT STOP THAT! It's far too silly!
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Oh I thought we where doing it wrong.
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Hair's not long enough, beard not crazy enough.
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Feature request: OCR that can detect @-mentions in images
Filed under: No one would put something like that in their avatar. NO ONE!
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GNU is a pretty cool guy, eh eats bodily excretions and doesn't afraid of anything.
Filed under: Except bathing.
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Filed under: Except bathing.
As long as I never meet him in person (well, not without a streaming cold and possibly hayfever too) then I don't mind him too much. I disagree on some points, but wouldn't dispute his right to make them (and think it's good that someone is making them).
Filed under: GNU, GNU, Stallman Style
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So, next viral meme thing on YouTube "GNU (feat Psy) - Stallman Style"?
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The irony of it using Twitter escapes me.
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I hope we can still be friends IRL (since you're the only one I've ever talked to / hung out).
Quick note, since I've been meaning to reply a bit. @apapadimoulis
Yes, of course, still friends. If I didn't like and respect you, and count you as a friend, I wouldn't have been so passionate about this whole thing. In the end, it's still just forum software. Still a friend. Hell, even in the middle of all this, I backed Release! with real actual human money. =)
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You necroing bastard, I thought you weren't reading the forum, how did you stay on top of all the new trends?!