🙅 THE BAD IDEAS THREAD
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cars which shut off when they take the key out are likely to be confused if they get a new car that doesn't.
You mean their are cars like that (don't shut off when you remove the key) out there?
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They're probably used to headlights that shut off after a delay and figure the engine is the same.
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They're probably used to headlights that shut off after a delay and figure the engine is the same.
Even so... WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE THE ENGINE RUNNING WITH THE CAR UNATTENDED?!
While 20-odd out of the thousands and thousands of people in the US who drive cars with keyless ignition isn;t exactly many, it's hard to believe they're not just potential nominees for future Darwin awards.
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Yes, the cars with the keyless ignition fob are exactly like that. Instead of a key, you have a fob which you carry with you. If you get into the car and press the start/stop button, it senses your fob and starts. To stop, you have to put it in park and press the button again. If you get out of the car, carrying your key fob with you, it senses that the fob is gone, but it doesn't shut off automatically. It just sits there and idles.
I think if someone gets in and tries to drive it away without the fob, it'll either shut off or at least won't let them. But otherwise it'll just idle until it runs out of gas or until you come back, find it, and turn it off.
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Even so... WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE THE ENGINE RUNNING WITH THE CAR UNATTENDED?!
I could say the same thing about leaving the car with the headlights on.
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Ok. Cars that don't switch off their engines then the driver gets out of the car with the "key" is a whole new :WTF: forum right there.
Yes, I know
idiotspeople do - and they are just the optimists in that they expect their car to still be there when they get back. This is such "bad practise" that my "runabout" car that is five years old has a very annoying and loud, persistent, beeps. And even my "luxury" car, which is getting on for 16 years old (and is currently rusting away on the drive) makes a more "polite" noise.
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Even so... WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE THE ENGINE RUNNING WITH THE CAR UNATTENDED?!
Eh...probably distracted. On the phone. Yelling at kids. Early stages of dementia.
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Ok. Cars that don't switch off their engines then the driver gets out of the car with the "key" is a whole new forum right there.
I've seen older cars that functioned this way. Like, 1960s vintage.
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Plus a lot of people will leave it unattended "just for a minute" to run inside to grab something. At least this way they're not leaving the key in it.
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Yeah, I've done this many times. Of course, I don't have a garage, so I'm not worried about the CO.
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grab something
From a bank, perhaps?
Oh the irony if this was the case and the car was gone
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Ehh, the people who designed them were not quite that stupid... like I described above, it won't actually let someone drive it anywhere if they don't have the key fob.
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Thin end of the wedge, thin end of the wedge.
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I could say the same thing about leaving the car with the headlights on.
I'd say the same too... WHY?!
My current and previous cars have automatic headlights, so I don't need to bother with turning them on or off, and yet every time in that period I've driven a car without that, I've remembered to turn them off. If I can deal with it, I tend to assume any other average-intelligence human being can too.
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I mean even when I know it's automatic and they'll turn off in a few minutes... I still feel weird leaving the headlights on.
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Eh...probably distracted. On the phone. Yelling at kids. Early stages of dementia.
If I left the engine running in my car because of those, I wouldn't then turn around and try to sue VW for it.
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they'll turn off in a few minutes
Minutes?!
In every car I've driven with automatic lights, the amount of time they've been on is like 20 seconds max.
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At least 2 or 3 minutes was the norm, I thought. Maybe it just seems that long because I'm unconsciously waiting for them to shut off so I can relax.
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If I can deal with it, I tend to assume any other average-intelligence human being can too.
As George Carlin (?) said, "Think about how stupid the average person is. Then think that half of the people out there are dumber than that."
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Maybe a few seconds is a European thing. They've always been referred to as some variant of "coming home" lights, so they're on for long enough for you to theoretically get from the car outside your house to the door.
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That would explain it... we here in the USA have big yards.
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Not only that, but let's pedantically point out that it is illegal to import Japanese beef into the US, so there is no genuine Kobe/Wagyu anything here.
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You're right, apparently the average is £1.10 for diesel, £1.13 for petrol.
You still didn't answer the gallon/liter question; Google suggests that GBP1.10/l is north of $6/gallon.
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They don't do Premium Diesel,
Also, "oh, diesel." Diesel has tended to run upwards of $0.40/gal more than regular unleaded since Katrina or so, sometimes close to a buck or more. I dunno how it is where you are.
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My point was simply that people who all their life have had cars which shut off when they take the key out are likely to be confused if they get a new car that doesn't.
I would like to think they would at some point notice the car was still running, though.
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If I open / close the boot on my Vauxhall Cavalier, after I had set the central locking / alarm. The boot stays unlocked with the number plate light on for several minutes afterwards. I have stood and watched it. Talk about leaving the door open and the lights on...
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You still didn't answer the gallon/liter question
Well an imperial gallon is bigger so it's more like $7.60 a gallon. But yeah, it's about $6.40 per US gallon. And that's a lot cheaper than it has been.
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Cavalier / Vectra, Tomato / Tomato, Meh!
In the first instance (in some other thread, but my previous post) It was a Cavalier and it was the 1990's. In the second, yeah. I meant Vectra and it is a naughty one or an 05 at least. Oh fuck, I have now realised I have made a mistake (in another post) that some pedant is now going to pick up and give me grief over :(
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there is no genuine Kobe/Wagyu anything here.
Not entirely true:
(TL;DR: It is again legal to import beef from Japan, and very, very small quantities are available. Some genuine Wagyu beef is raised in the US, but most of what is called Wagyu has been cross-bred with American breeds to the point it's practically indistinguishable from ordinary American beef.)
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But otherwise it'll just idle until it runs out of gas or until you come back, find it, and turn it off.
That's idiotic: if you go out of range of the fob, it should cut the engine, just like if someone tried to drive off without the fob.
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Well an imperial gallon is bigger so it's more like $7.60 a gallon. But yeah, it's about $6.40 per US gallon. And that's a lot cheaper than it has been.
Maybe y'all need to invade a Middle Eastern country to steal their oil so you can have cheap gas like we in the US did. (<-not directed at you)
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Following the US into the Middle East didn't work, so maybe we do need to go it alone
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That earlier article is probably the one I read.
Probably. He did say it was one of the most-read food articles of the year
he'd ever written.
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That's idiotic: if you go out of range of the fob, it should cut the engine, just like if someone tried to drive off without the fob.
There's no guarantee the car can maintain signal contact with the fob even if you're in the car. Then the engine might cut out while you're driving down the road.
A panic/kill button might work.
Or a self-destruct.
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Already lined up and waiting
North sea oil...scotland...independance
just join the dots
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My point was simply that people who all their life have had cars which shut off when they take the key out are likely to be confused if they get a new car that doesn't.
If the new magic car doesn't start automatically why should it stop automatically?
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Here in the US, we will drive what would be the European equivalent of into the next country just to try out a new BBQ joint.
In some cases, this is shorter than the commute to work.
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In every car I've driven with automatic lights, the amount of time they've been on is like 20 seconds max.
I hate the delay. Subaru used to turn off immediately. It now has a (programmable, but not less than 30) delay. Discovered if I turn the switch off then back to automatic, it turns them off now.
Edit: Should mention Subaru only does the keep-the-lights-on thing if the lights are actually on. Daylight running lights don't count. (Not sure what happens if they're in the manual-on position - I don't use that. Probably delayed)
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Following the US into the Middle East didn't work, so maybe we do need to go it alone
Well, that helps, but I think the key thing is spearheading the initiative, so to speak.
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There's no guarantee the car can maintain signal contact with the fob even if you're in the car. Then the engine might cut out while you're driving down the road.
Hey, you know how you solve that? Require the key to be in the ignition if the car's not in Park, or the engine shuts off.
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There's no guarantee the car can maintain signal contact with the fob even if you're in the car. Then the engine might cut out while you're driving down the road.
Contact with the fob should have to be lost for a certain length of time before the car shuts off, to prevent that situation from occurring. Also, I'd think the car would at least need to be in park at the time.
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I can turn the delay off, but it's a few seconds, so I leave it on for the occasion it's useful.
Doesn't matter which position the switch is at on mine, the "coming home"/"leaving home" lights work the same.
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Require the key to be in the ignition
But... but... that would defeat the whole purpose of keyless ignition fobs. Luddite!
No, I don't see why keyless ignition fobs need to exist, either.
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I think that one has been solved:
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We (in Europe) can drive less just to try out a whole new cuisine
We can make up for that because of our history as a melting pot[1]. For example, within downtown Phoenix, I can find ethiopian, taiwanese, greek, mexican (that's a given), and more. Some of those are even within walking distance of each other. Of course, this is easier to do in big cities, but still.
[1]INB4 "Microagressions thread is "
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At least 2 or 3 minutes was the norm, I thought. Maybe it just seems that long because I'm unconsciously waiting for them to shut off so I can relax.
Every car I've seen with that is max 30 seconds.