🙅 THE BAD IDEAS THREAD
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"Don't hit yourself on the way out"
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29 "naturopaths and homeopaths" taken to hospital after intoxicating with illegal hallucinogen drug
$20 says they "didn't believe in science".
Should just have given them an homoeopathic dose of the same drug to cure them, instead of evil traditional medicine.
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Bad idea: Attempting to google to see if the sensation of spinning I'm feeling while doing my "meditation for pain management" tape is a sign of an underlying medical condition, perhaps an inner ear issue.
Apparently I'm "in deep touch with the dao" or possibly "opening my chakras", and I should keep an eye out for "contact with spirit guides" while my "merkaba" is "being built". If it bothers me I should hum a tune that reminds me of my childhood as "they can't follow me back in time".
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My first suspicion with spinning/weak sensations is 'are you eating enough'.
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Probably. I don't diet or restrict calories, but I do eat very little naturally. In this latest episode, I had my eyes closed, focusing on my breathing, and it felt very similar to when I had Vertigo a few years ago and was throwing up for days due to the spinning. It went away before I got nauseated, but it felt like the room was spinning while I was holding still. Typically when I skip a meal on accident I get light-headed, but that's a different sensation. This went away on its own, so it's probably not super troubling, but it was weird.
I'm finding some indication that stress can cause vasoconstriction that, when it releases, can cause that sort of sensation, so maybe it's just a sign the tapes were working?
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It fought for unfair dismissal but it was an open-and-shut case
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Found it. It was called dontloadthis.jpg:
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29 "naturopaths and homeopaths" taken to hospital after intoxicating with illegal hallucinogen drug
$20 says they "didn't believe in science".
Should just have given them an homoeopathic dose of the same drug to cure them, instead of evil traditional medicine.
But that's just what they did: Homeopathy is the belief that something becomes stronger the more you dilute it. Thus they didn't dilute the drug in order to lessen its impact.
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Thus they didn't dilute the drug in order to lessen its impact.
Wouldn't that imply that concentrating something lessens its impact even more? Wouldn't that mean that over-concentrated sulfuric acid would have almost no impact at all?
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Don't look at me for a rational explanation of this idiocy - I just offered an idea how their thought process might have worked.
On that note, today I heard a beautiful statement by a colleague:
"Oh, you should go to this one - he's a homeopath. But he's not a quack, he also studied medicine!" Talk about a contradiction in terms...
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> he's a homeopath. But he's not a quack, he also studied medicine!
Probably that was just the common confusion of homeopathy and "natural medicine", and that even in the sense of "as much natural / low power medicine as possible". I know several physicians that are reluctant to prescribe powerful chemicals (which practically all have powerful side effects too).
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Naw, I fear they were talking about the real thing (inasmuch as homeopathy can be "real") because then they discussed globuli and similar placebos.
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It all makes me wonder whether they do Max Strength placebos…
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;)
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Homeopathic treatments are actually slightly more effective if you take a dose the size of the observable universe.
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I don't bother arguing with these people anymore. It's a mixture of ignorance, cargo cult, misunderstood principles of how the body works and this shitty proverb: "The one who cures is right."
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I find it pretty hard to believe, personally. I'd like to think that even most homeopaths are intelligent enough to understand that their basic principle can't be taken to that extreme.
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Considering that their basic principle is based on a very weird interpretation of physical principles, I rather doubt the existence of basic intelligence in practitioners of homeopathy.
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"With medicine, the flu takes a week. Without, it takes 7 days."
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It's a mixture of ignorance, cargo cult, misunderstood principles of how
Would you mind if I keep this phrase? I have a use for it.......
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Uh oh...
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ITTM common cold, for which this is actually kinda true (you can alleviate the symptoms and that's about it).
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That was pretty impressive. Windows Photo Viewer sucked up 2GB of my RAM with it.
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you can alleviate the symptoms and that's about it
According to my experience, you can postpone and significantly prolong a common cold by taking enough ASA for two or three days. This aggravates the symptoms too, most of the times.
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ASA
Automotive Service Association? American Society of Appraisers?
If you mean aspirin, say aspirin.
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ITTM common cold, for which this is actually kinda true (you can alleviate the symptoms and that's about it)
Emphasis mine.
That's the genius of cold/'flu relief medication - mask the symptoms and get sick people back into the workplace to drum up more demaind for your product.
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get sick people back into the workplace
I use cold/flu medication to make me fit enough to get home when I get taken ill at work. Unfortunately, it usually seems to happen on a Friday afternoon so there's no real gain of time not at work (unless I have flu, of course, but that's not a gain of anything wanted at all).
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If you mean aspirin, say aspirin.
So I do.
If I mean Aspirin® I say Aspirin®. If I mean acetylic salicylic acid, I say acetylic salicylic acid, or the official abbreviation ASA. Or, as I happen to live in Germany, ASS for Acetylsalicylsäure. (Aspirin is 3 times as expensive per pill than ASS ratiopharm.)
Okay, so sorry for not expanding ASA to acetylic salicylic acid.
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I use cold/flu medication to make me fit enough to get home when I get taken ill at work. Unfortunately, it usually seems to happen on a Friday afternoon so there's no real gain of time not at work (unless I have flu, of course, but that's not a gain of anything wanted at all).
That's much more sensible.
I use it to make my time off sick more bearable.
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According to my experience, you can postpone and significantly prolong a common cold by taking enough ASA for two or three days.
Aspirin, or ASA as you like to call it, is an NSAID and is therefore off-limits to those of us with a history of runamuck GI bleeding. The cold is better.
Supposedly, sucking zinc lozenges will also reduce the severity or duration of a cold, but there's the problem that you lose your sense of taste for a few weeks. (I've experimented with using them during a canker-sore outbreak, on the grounds that they make an inhospitable environment for viruses in general, but they irritate the lining of the mouth so much they create as much trouble as they cure.)
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I use cold/flu medication to make me fit enough to get home when I get taken ill at work.
Got a different kind myself (from my doctor, when I told him that I needed to travel despite having a cold :-/) - the kind you take shortly before going to sleep. I guess I could use it at work, but I hear that keyboards make uncomfy pillows.
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Supposedly, sucking zinc lozenges will also reduce the severity or duration of a cold, but there's the problem that you lose your sense of taste for a few weeks.
They're homeopathic according to the label on a bottle on my desk from my last cold. Therefore, they couldn't possibly work and any symptom relief you may have experienced is strictly a figment of your imagination.
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If I mean Aspirin® I say Aspirin®.
Given the list of countries in which aspirin is not a trademark, I'd say it's probably a fairly safe bet that the majority of people on this forum live in a place where it is not a trademark. In the US, the term ASA is almost completely unknown for the medication.
sorry for not expanding ASA to acetylic salicylic acid.
99% of US residents would still give you a blank stare. Other than chemists and other such technical contexts, it is never called anything other than aspirin in the US.
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They're homeopathic according to the label on a bottle on my desk from my last cold.
Except that they're not really. They do contain significant quantities of actual active ingredients. Whether those ingredients do what they are claimed to do is another question, but the ingredients are actually present in the lozenges.
As one anecdote, they do seem to reduce the severity and duration when I get a cold. Of course, I'm not running a controlled, double-blind experiment on myself, so that is hardly valid evidence.
you lose your sense of taste for a few weeks.
I've never noticed this. If it happens at all, it's at most a reduction in taste sensation, but I've never noticed any taste issues beyond the taste of the lozenge itself.
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Except that they're not really. They do contain significant quantities of actual active ingredients. Whether those ingredients do what they are claimed to do is another question, but the ingredients are actually present in the lozenges.
So the label is lying about them being homeopathic?
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So the label is lying about them being homeopathic?
Technically, no, but the active ingredient is described as "Zincum Gluconicum 2X." 2X is only 1:100 dilution, so there is actually a significant amount of zinc gluconate (zinc supplements sold as zinc gluconate typically have 30 – 50 mg / tablet) in the product.
Why are they labelled homeopathic? Because of a loophole in the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act that allows them to avoid the long, expensive FDA approval process; see the first answer here for a more detailed explanation.
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So if I understand you correctly, my joke about it being homeopathic so it couldn't possibly work isn't valid because the dilutions aren't high enough?
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Basically, yes. Calling it homeopathic isn't really an outright lie, as it is prepared in a homeopathic way to take advantage of the legal loophole, but it is only minimally diluted.
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it is never called anything other than aspirin in the US.
Not only that, but--and I admit this is minor--in the US we would call it acetylsalicylic acid. Don't know why Germany uses a slightly different spelling, although I imagine it's similar to how acetominophen is called paracetamol in the UK.
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Except that [zinc lozenges are] not really [homeopathic].
This is a case where the term "homeopathic" was diluted, if you'll pardon the pun, beyond the original meaning.
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I imagine it's similar to how acetominophen is called paracetamol in the UK.
I think that was due to a proprietary name that “went native”…
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I think that was due to a proprietary name that “went native”…
Maybe? AIUI both names are contractions of the longer, chemical name, that I CBA to look up; just they used different pieces of the word there v. here (and that's all I know on the subject).
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They're homeopathic according to the label on a bottle on my desk from my last cold. Therefore, they couldn't possibly work and any symptom relief you may have experienced is highly subjective and has never been verified in clinical trials, or in other words, probably a figment of your imagination.
The fact that you think it helped you feel better doesn't mean it actually did. That's the definition of the placebo effect.
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Would you mind if I keep this phrase? I have a use for it.......
Only if you explain the use in full details after the fact. In the Lounge if required.
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The fact that you think it helped you feel better doesn't mean it actually did. That's the definition of the placebo effect.
I'm familiar with the placebo effect, TYVM.