Did I miss the thread about the new Firefox redesign?



  •  If so, feel free to insult me.

     If not, take a look at this

    I have at this point given up on complaining about Android-Style Icons. However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off (like I did with their ridicolous start menu clone), so I'm having a hard time not to rage at this.



  • @fire2k said:

     If so, feel free to insult me.

     If not, take a look at this

    I have at this point given up on complaining about Android-Style Icons. However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off (like I did with their ridicolous start menu clone), so I'm having a hard time not to rage at this.

    Why do you complain? Not only are those changes proposed by UX specialists, they also confirm that "many plugins, add-ons, and skins will remain compatible with Australis". Of course when we get closer to the release, "many" will probably become "some" and "will" will become "may", but that's a small price to pay to have a cupcake on the menu bar (I hope it's included).



  • @fire2k said:

     If not, take a look at this
    @WTF said:

    As you may or may not know, Australis is a project to provide an updated
    visual design, streamlined tab strip, new Firefox menu and improved
    customization capabilities
    .

    Improved? WTF? Over the past couple of years they have repeatedly removed customization features. The Mozilla Doublespeak is really getting thick. "Worse is better!! Less is more!! We're improving customization capabilities by removing customization capabilities". @fire2k said:
    However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off
    Well, I suppose it was inevitable. After a couple of years slowly ruining Firefox a little at a time I guess it's time for a bold move that completely destroys it in one fell swoop.@Ronald said:
    but that's a small price to pay to have a cupcake on the menu bar



  • Cupcakes are just like cookies, only bigger, right?



  • @Ronald said:

    @fire2k said:

     If so, feel free to insult me.

     If not, take a look at this

    I have at this point given up on complaining about Android-Style Icons. However they arent't planning on an option of turning this off (like I did with their ridicolous start menu clone), so I'm having a hard time not to rage at this.

    Why do you complain? Not only are those changes proposed by UX specialists, they also confirm that "many plugins, add-ons, and skins will remain compatible with Australis". Of course when we get closer to the release, "many" will probably become "some" and "will" will become "may", but that's a small price to pay to have a cupcake on the menu bar (I hope it's included).

     

    Okay, so knowing that you just wanted to make a cupcake joke, I'll still try a blakeyrant.

     

    Oh, hey, it's... icons, I guess. No form of text or explanation what any of these mean, but hey. And that inactive tab is melting with the background, because borders and  clear distinctions are really bad?

    I dare you guess what these icons mean. I was dead set on the left one being the menu, but as you can see in the second screenshot, the menu is on the far right, because fuck consistency. The second one kind of looks like a mix between the google currents logo and a OS X loading icon, so I'm going with social media. It's almost like that one time they enabled Facebook directly into the browser as a default-installed extension type. And a cupcake. Yay. Oh, and they stole the Omni-Bar from Chrome. Had to happen eventually Mozilla, but try not to show your inferiorety complex as much. Also if you fuck with my instant-button for Wikipedia I will hurt somebody. You know what I expected on the left where it says Firefox? A freaking certificate/connection info. Is this a site that uses SSL? Does it have valid domain scripting? Who knows.

     

    Oh hey, it's the actual menu, on the left. And they have reduced the Edit-Options to Copy, Cut and Paste. Congratulations for having less text editing options than Android. What if I want to select all, delete, redo or undo text edits without shortcuts? And why the f*** are there now buttons for zooming with icons? 3 scenarios: I have only a mouse, in which case I'll probably zoom so infrequently this shoudn't be a easily accessable button. I have Mouse + Keyboard, where all of this already has had both shortcuts and options elsewhere. I have a touchscreen, and who the f**** zooms via buttons on a touchscreen? Oh, and I just love the icons Mozilla thinks are frequent features. Sure, I print websites every five minutes. Sure I need a quick-select for the developer console. How about a open stuff icon? How do I open tabs? Oh wait, you have to add those 

     Oh and here is how it looks on a window manager almost as fucked as this redesign:


     



  • @fire2k said:

    I'll still try a blakeyrant.
    Has a good beat and is easy to dance to.  I give it an 83.

     

    And the 2013 Ironic Lack Of Self Awareness Award goes to:



  • @fire2k said:

    You know what I expected on the left where it says Firefox? A freaking certificate/connection info. Is this a site that uses SSL? Does it have valid domain scripting? Who knows.
     

     In fairness, it probably says “Firefox” because the displayed page is a Firefox-internal page  and not a Web page. You probably get the usual security info when navigating to a real Web page.

    Also, I’d guess that the icons on the left are some pinned tabs... Well, I hope so. (Couldn’t they use websites that people KNOW ABOUT for their screenshots?)

     Still, the current fad of putting the whole menu bar in a single button on the right side of the window is becoming annoying. The Gnome PDF viewer does it now. Guess which button gets hidden when the window is too small (read: is at its default size)?



  •  Thanks for the warning, everybody. So I just tuned off attomatic updating in Firefox options. I will never allow the Atlantis update.

     

    In other news, what non-fucked-up browser should we move to when Atlantis comes out?


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @GreyWolf said:

     Thanks for the warning, everybody. So I just tuned off attomatic updating in Firefox options. I will never allow the Atlantis update.
    I get the impression "Atlantis" is some sort of fork, and isn't part of the trunk; i.e. you have to actively 'opt-in' to get anywhere near it. I certainly haven't seen any of this crap creeping up in anything up to FF28.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    @GreyWolf said:
     Thanks for the warning, everybody. So I just tuned off attomatic updating in Firefox options. I will never allow the Atlantis update.
    I get the impression "Atlantis" is some sort of fork, and isn't part of the trunk; i.e. you have to actively 'opt-in' to get anywhere near it. I certainly haven't seen any of this crap creeping up in anything up to FF28.
    Oh fuck.

    Australis is the project name for an upcoming desktop Firefox design refresh.

    Featuring an updated visual design, streamlined tab strip, updated Firefox menu and improved customization.

    It is scheduled to land on the Firefox Nightly branch soon.


    Not looking forward to that then.


  • @GreyWolf said:

     Thanks for the warning, everybody. So I just tuned off attomatic updating in Firefox options. I will never allow the Atlantis update.

     

    In other news, what non-fucked-up browser should we move to when Atlantis comes out?

     

    Only one thing left to do. We need to fork firefox and redesign the UI and privacy features. It will be rewritten to use Qt because fuck Gnome and integrate with KDE because fuck Gnome and it will feature full privacy protection like fully screening cookies from one domain from other domains, breaking all kinds of web standards, which fortunately only advertisers care about because fuck Gnome... I mean Google. Fuck Google. Also fuck Gnome.

     



  • Many organizations hire when An Important Task has to be Accomplished. Once that task has been accomplished, the people hired are still around. They feel important (hey, they've Accomplished The Imporant Task), so now feel like they have to do something else. So they start inventing new measures, reorganizations, laws, whatever the organization's meta-process likes. That usually ends up with hiring more people.

    Mozilla has volunteers. These are usually worse than normal employees, because they don't get hired by qualification, and you can't fire them. And ... they're not driven by money, but by feeling that they make an important contribution to society. But that feeling is not served by moving an icon by one or two pixels. Nope. It has to be Something Important, something that befits their feeling of grandeur. So another redesign is born. And since they know what's best for you, it won't be optional.

    Mozilla needs a dictator. And a damn good one too.



  • @barfoo said:

    Cupcakes are just like cookies, only bigger, right?


    Not, they're like cakes, only smaller.



  • @mikeTheLiar said:

    @barfoo said:

    Cupcakes are just like cookies, only bigger, right?


    Not, they're like cakes, only smaller.
     

    No, they're like cupcakes, only exactly the same.

     



  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @mikeTheLiar said:

    @barfoo said:

    Cupcakes are just like cookies, only bigger, right?


    Not, they're like cakes, only smaller.
     

    No, they're like cupcakes, only exactly the same.

     

    I totally missed an opportunity for a semi-original Portal joke. Oh well, the cupcake is a white lie.



  • @TGV said:

    Mozilla has volunteers. These are usually worse than normal employees, because they don't get hired by qualification, and you can't fire them. And ... they're not driven by money
    Although Mozilla does have volunteers, they also have employees. More than 500, according to their LinkedIn page. And since they get $300 Million a year in free money from Google, they don't have to worry about creating a product that people actually want.



  • @GreyWolf said:

    In other news, what non-fucked-up browser should we move to when Atlantis comes out?
    You're getting ahead of yorself.  The newest fucked up version of Firefox is called "Australis".  Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
     

    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic" ?



  • @dhromed said:

    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:
    • Titanic
    • Atlantis
    • Hindenburg
    • Invasion of Poland
    • TWA Flight 800
    • Obamacare
    • Trail of Tears
    • New Coke
    • Volt
    • Roanoke
    • Bay of Pigs
    • Mozilla



  • @mott555 said:

    @dhromed said:
    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:
    • Titanic
    • Atlantis
    • Hindenburg
    • Invasion of Poland
    • TWA Flight 800
    • Obamacare
    • Trail of Tears
    • New Coke
    • Volt
    • Roanoke
    • Bay of Pigs
    • Mozilla

    Maginot line? Webvan? Obamacare?



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.

    v1.5 will be retroactively renamed to Atlantis. The legend will be that it was finally swallowed by a giant memory leak, but the extension rumored to have caused it stopped working long ago, and no one will be able to agree on which one it was.



  • @boomzilla said:

    v1.5 will be retroactively renamed to Atlantis. The legend will be that it was finally swallowed by a giant memory leak, but the extension rumored to have caused it stopped working long ago, and no one will be able to agree on which one it was.
     

    At te same time though, it suggests that it was technologically very advanced.



  • @Ronald said:

    @mott555 said:
    @dhromed said:
    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:

    • Titanic
    • Atlantis
    • Hindenburg
    • Invasion of Poland
    • TWA Flight 800
    • Obamacare
    • Trail of Tears
    • New Coke
    • Volt
    • Roanoke
    • Bay of Pigs
    • Mozilla

    Maginot line? Webvan? Obamacare?

    Divx?

     



  • @da Doctah said:

    Divx?

    I remember that very short time in history where it was possible to find a DVD player with support for Divx but not Xvid. Mine is in the attic next to my Betamax player, my MiniDisc recorder, my LaserDisc player and my HD DVD player.



  • @Ronald said:

    @da Doctah said:

    Divx?

    I remember that very short time in history where it was possible to find a DVD player with support for Divx but not Xvid. Mine is in the attic next to my Betamax player, my MiniDisc recorder, my LaserDisc player and my HD DVD player.



    What is the problem with Divx btw? Their software nowadays produces pretty okay H264-Encodings that work almost everywhere I try them where H264 is supported. Their Encoder has some of the best Image-Filters on the market, and since you can just let other software use that it doesn't even matter that they can't design user interfaces.

     



  • @mott555 said:

    @dhromed said:
    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:
    Titanic
    Atlantis
    Hindenburg
    Invasion of Poland
    TWA Flight 800
    Obamacare
    Trail of Tears
    New Coke
    Volt
    Roanoke
    Bay of Pigs
    Mozilla



    you missed Chernobil


  • Winner of the 2016 Presidential Election

    @Nelle said:

    @mott555 said:
    @dhromed said:
    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:
    Titanic
    Atlantis
    Hindenburg
    Invasion of Poland
    TWA Flight 800
    Obamacare
    Trail of Tears
    New Coke
    Volt
    Roanoke
    Bay of Pigs
    Mozilla



    you missed Chernobil

    Mt St Helens



  • @da Doctah said:

    @Ronald said:

    @mott555 said:
    @dhromed said:
    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:

    • Titanic
    • Atlantis
    • Hindenburg
    • Invasion of Poland
    • TWA Flight 800
    • Obamacare
    • Trail of Tears
    • New Coke
    • Volt
    • Roanoke
    • Bay of Pigs
    • Mozilla

    Maginot line? Webvan? Obamacare?

    Divx?

     

    DIVX?

  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @Nelle said:

    @mott555 said:
    @dhromed said:
    @El_Heffe said:
    Atlantis will be the next major fucked up version.
    Isn't calling your project "Atlantis" kind of like calling your project "Titanic"?
    Proposed code names for future Firefox versions:
    Titanic
    Atlantis
    Hindenburg
    Invasion of Poland
    TWA Flight 800
    Obamacare
    Trail of Tears
    New Coke
    Volt
    Roanoke
    Bay of Pigs
    Mozilla



    you missed Chernobil
    And Fuckitsbroken Fukushima.



    ObWTF: For those who haven't seen it yet (mid-October); I present Fukushima's mascot: Fukuppy. At least until they round to changing it:





  • @Mo6eB said:

    fuck Gnome

    Amen.



  • @PJH said:

    ObWTF: For those who haven't seen it yet (mid-October); I present Fukushima's mascot: Fukuppy. At least until they round to changing it:



     

    squint


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @dhromed said:

    @PJH said:

    ObWTF: For those who haven't seen it yet (mid-October); I present Fukushima's mascot: Fukuppy. At least until they round to changing it:



     

    squint

    It's an oddly shaped Ben Wa[1] ball. With feet. And wings.



    [1] The unenlightened should be warned that the results from searching for that term may include those that are NSFW.



  • @El_Heffe said:

    Well, I suppose it was inevitable. After a couple of years slowly ruining Firefox a little at a time I guess it's time for a bold move that completely destroys it in one fell swoop.

    Fuck everything, we are going Windows 8!



  • Dammit, and I just switched back to firefox after switching to Chrome for a while after realizing Chrome is an even bigger piece of crap than Firefox.

    Surely there's some obscure browser out there that only the hipsters know about that's actually good?



  • @dookdook said:

    Dammit, and I just switched back to firefox after switching to Chrome for a while after realizing Chrome is an even bigger piece of crap than Firefox.

    Surely there's some obscure browser out there that only the hipsters know about that's actually good?

    Unfortunately, hipsters don't like anything good.

     



  • @dookdook said:

    Dammit, and I just switched back to firefox after switching to Chrome for a while after realizing Chrome is an even bigger piece of crap than Firefox.

    Developers bitching about browsers is so common and entitled, they remind me of teenage girls rolling their eyes.


    omg chrome is stupid duh firefox is like, stupid lol internet explorer sucks omg omg omg



  • @Ronald said:


     

    Either there's some weird perspective going on, the girl is rolling her eyes because her mother is doing that stupid "I'm standing on a box so I'm as tall as you look how tall my little girl is getting we're both tall now guess how much I grew in the last FIVE SECONDS" thing again.

    Her dad just wants to get out of this nightmare and back to the set of CSI, since they've actually fleshed out his character over the past few seasons and it's the only place he feel real anymore.

     





  • @Lorne Kates said:

    @Ronald said:


     

    Either there's some weird perspective going on, the girl is rolling her eyes because her mother is doing that stupid "I'm standing on a box so I'm as tall as you look how tall my little girl is getting we're both tall now guess how much I grew in the last FIVE SECONDS" thing again.

    Her dad just wants to get out of this nightmare and back to the set of CSI, since they've actually fleshed out his character over the past few seasons and it's the only place he feel real anymore.

     

    Or maybe he's thinking about having her euthanized


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    Oh fuck.

    Australis is the project name for an upcoming desktop Firefox design refresh.

    Featuring an updated visual design, streamlined tab strip, updated Firefox menu and improved customization.

    It is scheduled to land on the Firefox Nightly branch soon.


    Not looking forward to that then.
    And it's arrived apparently. Running a build now to see if it plays nicely with Tree Style Tabs...

    Update tomorrow, if it's in. And I can be bothered.


  • But I really like the current subtly rounded square tabs. :(

     

    They did the round tabs thing in Thunderbird and it's fugly.



  • @dhromed said:

    But I really like the current subtly rounded square tabs.

    I'm looking forward to the cupcake. That may be enough to switch back from chrome.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    And it's arrived apparently. Running a build now to see if it plays nicely with Tree Style Tabs...
    Well didn't take as long as I thought to build. And it doesn't play nicely with them; they are usable, but only just. Clicking a parent will randomly (it seems) actually select that tab, and also randomly (it seems) open/close the children.



    And my muscle-memory search short-cut is now broken - ctrl-K no longer works; they've (as far as I can discern, permanently) removed the search box, and ctrl-k does bugger all[1]. Customise certainly doesn't present a search box for you to play with, and the Awsome bar prompts to 'Search or enter address,' though I'm sure it's done that for a while.





    [1] Actually, upon further investigation, it is 'working' - ctrl-k moves focus to an invisible control which acts as the old search box which does actually search; you simply can't see what you're typing unless the suggestions window pops up. An oversight I'm sure that will be 'fixed' in an upcoming check-in.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @PJH said:

    [1] Actually, upon further investigation, it is 'working' - ctrl-k moves focus to an invisible control which acts as the old search box which does actually search; you simply can't see what you're typing unless the suggestions window pops up. An oversight I'm sure that will be 'fixed' in an upcoming check-in.
    Hah! I was wrong - it's not the searchbox; it's another (normally invisible) awesome bar - visible briefly if you invoke any of the old (normally invisible) menu items which briefly become visible. Anything not darkened in this image is normally invisible. 'asdf' was the search I was trying for after hitting ctrl-k:





  • @boomzilla said:

    I'm looking forward to the cupcake.
     

    If it doesn't produce an actual cupcake, I'm going to be very disappointed.



  • @dhromed said:

    If it doesn't produce an actual cupcake, I'm going to be very disappointed.
     

    It produces one, but it's a FireFox cupcake, so:

    1) They've removed the icing

    2) It's sugar free, unless you modify the recipe book before clicking the button

    3) When it arrives, it's jammed whole straight down your throat because their survey of 1 user from AutoeroticAsphyxiation.Com showed that 100% of Firefox users say that chewing prevents them from spending more time with Grumpy Cat.

    4) It'll be gone next release, and you'll have to add on your own fucking cupcakes.



  • Fired up the new Asstralis. Might as well give it a try. And it's every bit as bad as I feared. Actually worse. The one thing that continues to make Firefox tolerable in the face of all the UI mangling has been the ability to do extensive customizing. But they are hard at work fixing that. An enormous amount of customizability has been removed.

    Tabs On Top -- No thanks, I want my tabs below the URL bar, where God intended them to be. Well, Firefox says Fuck You, you're getting Tabs On Top whether you like it or not. Just removing the menu item and burying the setting in <font face="courier new,courier">about:config</font> isn't enough. Even if you go into <font face="courier new,courier">about:config</font> and change the setting, it does nothing.

    There are only 2 toolbars - Menu bar and Bookmarks toolbar. No more Add-On Bar, which means the Status Bar Extension doesn't work because THERE'S NO FUCKING PLACE TO PUT IT. . SEROUSLY?? WTF!!  Firefox says: You want a Status Bar? Fuck You.

    The Back and Forward buttons are now welded to the URL Bar, so you can't just arrange your buttons any way you like. This layout is no longer possible:

    The History Button can only go to the far left, before the Back button or to the far right of the URL Bar.  The Reload Button has been replaced with a swirly arrow that is welded to the far right side of the URL Bar and can't be moved and the Stop Button is gone completely. Want text labels with your buttons? Fuck you.

    There's a lot more, but fuck it, I give up. If I want a browser with a shitty UI that can't be changed I'll use Internet Explorer or Chrome.

    Just as I thought would happen -- Firefox has joined the growing list of applications that can never be updated because the new version sucks shit.


  • Discourse touched me in a no-no place

    @dhromed said:

    @boomzilla said:

    I'm looking forward to the cupcake.
     

    If it doesn't produce an actual cupcake, I'm going to be very disappointed.

    I didn't get a cupcake (see previous screenshot).



  • @PJH said:

    @dhromed said:
    @boomzilla said:
    I'm looking forward to the cupcake.
    If it doesn't produce an actual cupcake, I'm going to be very disappointed.

    I didn't get a cupcake (see previous screenshot).
    Wait a minute . . . . You're right . . . . .

    <font size="4">THERE'S NO CUPCAKE!!</font>
    <font size="5">         </b></font>

     



  • @ender said:

    @da Doctah said:
    Divx?

     

    DIVX?
    Yes, that one.  It was such fun to drop into Circuit City and have the salesthing try to tell you the advantages of paying $4 for a disc, taking it home, finding a place to store it, and you could watch it as many times as you wanted for 48 hours after which it would no longer play unless you paid an additional fee either to extend the viewing period of a disc that you supposedly already "bought".  And all those discs that you paid the upgrade fee to "DIVX Gold" which later became worthless when the dial-up service that checked whether you were allowed to play them went away.

    I see that in January the same fate will finally befall all of those old WebTV receivers.  At which point those of us who wanted to play Uru interactively will shed a sympathetic tear.

    (For the person who tried to add Mt St Helens to the list of failures, no go.  All the others resulted from bad decisions; Mt St Helens was a mountain that blew up due to nobody's fault.)

     


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