The My DB Has More Strawmen Than Your DB Thread, with a side order of How California’s New Immigration Law Affects Screening Policies
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it being completely obsolete,
Yeah, but that stuff is...well...obsolete. I'm talking about laws that get passed and then you decide they're stupid or whatever due to unintended consequences (or intended, in some cases).
The cliche is "Laboratories of Democracy." But when we imagine a laboratory, and someone does something that doesn't work, you stop doing that thing. Now, in the states, other states might not copy your mistakes, but that doesn't mean that you repeal your mistake.
Not that repealing obsolete stuff isn't worthwhile. If nothing else, it takes time away from passing other ill conceived schemes.
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I think you're confusing people from Mexico voting with their feet. I don't think many people would argue that Alta California is a lot better place to live than Baja California.
The state's population is still nearly as large as the sum of the next two (Texas and Florida) in ranking.
If you're saying that immigration rather than migration is the more significant factor in population size, I could see that contributing to the numbers, but I would wonder why the other border states aren't equally populous.
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The state's population is still nearly as large as the sum of the next two (Texas and Florida) in ranking.
I'm confused. Are you saying that people leaving isn't people voting with their feet? TDEMSYR
If you're saying that immigration rather than migration is the more significant factor in population size, I could see that contributing to the numbers, but I would wonder why the other border states aren't equally populous.
It's a pretty big state. It still has a lot going for it. If you want to make an argument aside from people voting with their feet, go ahead, but when more people are leaving than staying, you're obviously wrong in what you already said.
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If you're saying that immigration rather than migration is the more significant factor in population size, I could see that contributing to the numbers, but I would wonder why the other border states aren't equally populous.
Well, as @boomzilla pointed out, CA has other things going for it as well:
- numerous ocean ports
- there was a huge influx of people for the 1849 gold rush
- Silicon valley
- etc.
On top of that, some of the other border states have been making things harder for illegal immigrants while California has made things easier. In CA, it isn't necessary to show proof of citizenship to get a license or state ID. Arizona, on the other hand, requires that such proof be presented. There's also hard ass sheriffs like Sheriff Joe[1]
[1] The author neither confirms nor denies any support of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. He is merely presented as a well-known example of why Arizona is less friendly to illegal imigrants.
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there was a huge influx of people for the 1849 gold rush
While true, I think that is probably of little significance to today's population. If you want to talk about historical immigration, agricultural migrants during the Depression/dust bowl and post-WWII (and other Pacific Rim wars?) settlement of returning soldiers would, I think, be a much larger factor.
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It's a pretty big state. It still has a lot going for it. If you want to make an argument aside from people voting with their feet, go ahead
My point is that ~38 million people seem to think it's all right in spite of the taxes, the laws, etc. If we suddenly see that number drop to 35 or 30, then we know there's a serious problem.
numerous ocean ports
This is true, and I would imagine that it would be important for trade to and from Asia. That said, Washington and Oregon have much smaller populations...
there was a huge influx of people for the 1849 gold rush
True, but there was (and still is, if you watch those silly reality shows) also a gold rush in Alaska. Also, 160 years is a long time.
Silicon valley
I find it significant that it remains a tech hub in spite of the high taxes and evil socialism. There are plenty of other states that would love to have that business.
On top of that, some of the other border states have been making things harder for illegal immigrants while California has made things easier. In CA, it isn't necessary to show proof of citizenship to get a license or state ID. Arizona, on the other hand, requires that such proof be presented.
Now we're starting to get into the interesting stuff. I could see this affecting migration patterns - but by how much? It would be interesting to see figures for the land border states as well as Florida*.
[1] The author neither confirms nor denies any support of Sheriff Joe Arpaio. He is merely presented as a well-known example of why Arizona is less friendly to illegal imigrants.
Mister Neon-Vacancy-Prison-Sign. Quite the charmer.
*Notwithstanding that a lot of elderly people "emigrate" from Florida each year
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While true, I think that is probably of little significance to today's population. If you want to talk about historical immigration, agricultural migrants during the Depression/dust bowl and post-WWII (and other Pacific Rim wars?) settlement of returning soldiers would, I think, be a much larger factor.
I was just listing a few factors off the top of my head. I figure the gold rush played some, even though little currently, significance. Everything else is covered by "etc."
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My point is that ~38 million people seem to think it's all right in spite of the taxes, the laws, etc. If we suddenly see that number drop to 35 or 30, then we know there's a serious problem.
We'll agree to disagree then.
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True, but there was (and still is, if you watch those silly reality shows) also a gold rush in Alaska.
And the feds have to pay people to stay in Alaska. It's hard to live somewhere that doesn't see sun for a good portion of the year.
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It may be a 1.2 Vauxhall Corsa, but damn it rides well
Presumably you don't need to go up any hills along the way?
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Presumably you don't need to go up any hills along the way?
There's the Thelwall Viaduct, but that isn't that steep; I can easily keep 70-75 over it
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somebody near me was caught by a speed camera doing 128MPH in a 30 zone.
I was pretty impressed at someone managing 146mph on the M25 last year.
It's usually difficult to manage more than about 6mph.128mph in a 30 is a new level of HOOOOOOOOLY SHIT.
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There's the Thelwall Viaduct, but that isn't that steep; I can easily keep 70-75 over it
(Un)luckily I normally come off the M6 before that.
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My point is that ~38 million people seem to think it's all right in spite of the taxes, the laws, etc. If we suddenly see that number drop to 35 or 30, then we know there's a serious problem.
Plague!
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If we suddenly see that number drop to 35 or 30, then we know there's a serious problem.
Average people displaying common sense?
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Average people displaying common sense?
That would be an example that is NOT a serious problem, unless you're the government of the state trying to collect taxes.
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That would be an example that is NOT a serious problem, unless you're the government of the state trying to collect taxes.
I'm not so sure. Average people displaying common sense would result in the complete collapse of a broad swath of our economy. The advertising industry would cease to exist, or almost. Fashion would shrink by about 90%. Sport stadiums would be vacant. Nobody would ever buy an SUV again.
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My point is that ~38 million people seem to think it's all right in spite of the taxes, the laws, etc. If we suddenly see that number drop to 35 or 30, then we know there's a serious problem.
30 percent or 30 total?
:-P
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We'll agree to disagree then.
I am okay with this.
And the feds have to pay people to stay in Alaska. It's hard to live somewhere that doesn't see sun for a good portion of the year.
The winters are rough, but May-October is pleasant, if you can handle a little rain. After a business trip last fall, I toyed with the idea of getting a summer home up there should I ever become stupendously wealthy.
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Average people displaying common sense would result in the complete collapse of a broad swath of our economy.
This is likely.
The advertising industry would cease to exist, or almost.
I'm not seeing any problems here.
Fashion would shrink by about 90%.
Still sounds good.
Sport stadiums would be vacant.
No complaints here (exactly how much do people pay for Super Bowl tickets 10 years in advance?)
Nobody would ever buy an SUV again.
Okay by me as long as performance cars are still around.
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30 percent or 30 total?
Since I gave a unit of measure for the first number but did not for the second and third, and given that they are of reasonably similar magnitude, it is probably safe to assume that they are all expressed in the same units.
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.... yes... you're correct. Also no fun anymore.
:-P
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The winters are rough, but May-October is pleasant, if you can handle a little rain. After a business trip last fall, I toyed with the idea of getting a summer home up there should I ever become stupendously wealthy.
I'd love a summer place in Stockholm (or rather out in the archipelago) and that's about the same latitude as southern Alaska. Anchorage is a little further north, Juneau is further south.
I'd also love a winter place in Hawaii. :D
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.... yes... you're correct. Also no fun anymore.
Pendantry meets pendantry? I'm trying my best here...
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I'd love a summer place in Stockholm (or rather out in the archipelago) and that's about the same latitude as southern Alaska. Anchorage is a little further north, Juneau is further south.
I prefer Anchorage to Juneau. It's not landlocked, and it's a proper city (there's a reasonably large shopping mall downtown, along with a concert hall and some fine dining close to the water).
I'd also love a winter place in Hawaii.
Wouldn't we all.
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Can you point to an example where they're calling a person illegal?
@blakeyrat did it in this thread. I pointed it out just a few posts back. Have you been paying attention?
Depending on the type of camera, if he was doing 140+, he wouldn't have been caught, as the camera would be too slow.
Mythbusters did it. The speed required was territory inhabited by top-fuel dragsters and fighter jets. 140 isn't even close.
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Mythbusters did it. The speed required was territory inhabited by top-fuel dragsters and fighter jets. 140 isn't even close.
for the record though. they did it under US rules, UK rules differ (in particular UK requires 2 photos IIRC
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That still required a 170mph car for Top Gear UK to manage it.
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not arguing that. just that the rules are different so you can do it with a street legal car, not the rocket powered car that the mythbusters has to use to get out of the ticket.
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Well you could technically do it in the US with a street legal car.
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-droool-
paint that car orange and @accalia wants.
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@blakeyrat did it in this thread. I pointed it out just a few posts back. Have you been paying attention?
So, using his weapon of aggressive illiteracy against him, then. You probably won't get the reference, but you must be the sort of person who though Mitt Romney squished women and shoved them into binders, eh?
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So, using his weapon of aggressive illiteracy against him, then.
If you say so. I think his reply speaks for itself.
You probably won't get the reference, but you must be the sort of person who though Mitt Romney squished women and shoved them into binders, eh?
We are bombarded with US media here, especially major events like presidential elections. I do get the reference.
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Mitt Romney
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If you say so. I think his reply speaks for itself.
I found this:
Stuff like providing free medical care to illegals...
And your conclusion is that he was saying these are illegal people? That's really your story? Really?
I have to say, that's a sub-human level of reading on your part.
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I was waiting for you to complete your arguments so they made sense. I think I see the confusion. Were you were claiming that the fascist dictatorship wasn't oppressive or that it wasn't "small?"
Apparently someone didn't get the sarcasm of the original statement? Also, I wasn't even talking to you, so no need to get defensive about your inability to post a swaying argument.edit - dicsourse wins again, since i had started a reply to redwizard and changed it to boomzilla, it kept my reply-to as redwizard.
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Mine would have to be blue 😸
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edit - dicsourse wins again, since i had started a reply to redwizard and changed it to boomzilla, it kept my reply-to as redwizard.
...and yet I didn't get the notification (maybe because it's my topic, but I'll complain anyway.) @discoursebot!
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@redwizard - Days Since Last Discourse Bug: -1
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Bugatti Veyron
If we're dropping 7 figures on a hypercar, there are better alternatives.
For that money, I'd rather have a C7 Z06, Viper, Nissan GT-R and a garage big enough to hold them all. Any leftover money goes to the folks at a tuner shop to build each of those up to 1000hp.
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You can buy like 100 Ariel Atoms.
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Apparently someone didn't get the sarcasm of the original statement? Also, I wasn't even talking to you, so no need to get defensive about your inability to post a swaying argument.
I'm sure I must have congratulated you on your trolling here.
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That's like having 1200hp on a 4000lb car. Too bad it's a death trap around SUVs.
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Too bad it's a death trap around SUVs.
It looks like a death trap around pretty much anything...
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i would, but i'm already banned from all of my local auction houses.
apparently there were complaints that my boxes of mystery contained live bobcats.
Do you have any left?
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Boxes of mystery? Yes
Bobcats to put in the boxes of mystery? No
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Boxes of mystery? Yes
Bobcats to put in the boxes of mystery? No
It was a bobcat I wanted. But I'm curious about the box so I'll take one if there's a better than evens chance it won't kill me.
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They are just standard uhsul packing boxes, size medium, with the word mystery spraypainted on the site.
So they are pretty harmless.emphasized text
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They are just ... boxes
Ah, I'll give it a miss then. I'm given to understand that a cat in a box is dead until someone looks in it.