Oracle officially abandoning the Java browser plugin
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You've got a space after the
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tag. Yes, that really breaks it.
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So yeah, my current application has a third-party map editing component that is a Java applet.
Needless to say, I informed management of this development as soon as I arrived this morning (I emailed my work email from home to remind myself to do it).
Edit: I forget why I didn't post here about it last night when I first learned about it. Probably because I found out right around the time I was going to bed.
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TBH, it's about time they removed it. While applets were seen as Java's killer app when it first came out in 1995, they proved to be a flop, and while the Java language itself recovered its momentum (no matter what you actually think of it as a language, it does get used in a lot of places), applets quickly became a footnote as more successful technologies such as JavaScript, .NET, and PHP 1 replaced them. This is just acknowledging something that happened over a decade ago. True, they do show up from time to time, and there are a few roles they fill that nothing else does as well at, but really, they were simply a gimmick that wasn't needed as badly as people thought.
1)I said more successful, not better. IMAO, all the web scripting technologies seen so far suck ass, and there's no reason to think anything better is going to come along any time soon.
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You've got a space after the [poll] tag. Yes, that really breaks it.
I would have thought it was the lack of blank line before it, but it looks like you're right.Speaking of:
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Considering most browsers were already blocking the shit out of it, this is kind of a no-op, isn't it?
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My corporate VPN (Juniper) relies on it. Not a no-op for me. Also, WebEx (online meeting thingy) uses it, which my company also uses.
Will be interesting to see what these guys do.
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My corporate VPN (Juniper) relies on it.
In what year? 2016?
Jesus.
Also, WebEx (online meeting thingy) uses it, which my company also uses.
The faster they go out of business the better. WebEx is shit.
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In what year? 2016?
Also 2015 and 2014. Maybe earlier, too, I can't remember when the switch happened. What's actually "interesting" about it is that it uses java to start up but the actual vpn client is a regular shared library. At least on Linux. I don't know what they do on Windows.
The faster they go out of business the better. WebEx is shit.
Yeah, it's retarded. My customer uses Adobe connect, which isn't great either. Is there something good out there?
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Join.me (aka "logmein123", not sure if they still use that name) is really good. Also, pretty much every corporate IM client does screen-sharing at this point.
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Also, pretty much every corporate IM client does screen-sharing at this point.
But do they work outside the company? I only ever see these things when we're dealing with people who aren't part of my company.
Not that I'm ever going to be in a position to pick that sort of enterprise app.
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Also, WebEx (online meeting thingy) uses it, which my company also uses.
Is that a Linux thing? It's not a requirement on Windows or OSX.
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E_MULTIPLE_OPTIONS :( <f
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But do they work outside the company?
I dunno. Skype for Business might work with normal Skype? I've never tried. Doesn't come up much here, our clients are healthcare companies all stuck in 1987.
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Also E_JAVA_CARD_AUTHENTICATION
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@boomzilla said:
Also, WebEx (online meeting thingy) uses it, which my company also uses.
Is that a Linux thing? It's not a requirement on Windows or OSX.
https://help.webex.com/docs/DOC-2026
It says it uses ActiveX on Windows, maybe as an alternative to Java (which is also listed as a requirement)? Apparently they have a browser plugin on Mac.
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It says it uses ActiveX on Windows
It works on Chrome so I assume just having the Webex browser extension is sufficient.
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I think it's relatively simple to turn a Java applet into a standalone Java application, so that's probably what's going to happen in most cases.
Awkward, but effective.
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Hey, Oracle finally caught up to 2008, when everyone else abandoned the Java browser plugin.
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My corporate VPN (Juniper) relies on it.
Are you sure you cannot use the desktop client / Win10 app?
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To be fair, it's not that long since chrome killed most npapi stuff
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@boomzilla said:
My corporate VPN (Juniper) relies on it.
Are you sure you cannot use the desktop client / Win10 app?
I've never gotten the desktop client to work before, but that was several years ago. The problem is getting authenticated, which relies on the java part. Then I take a cookie that it sets and feed it to the actual VPN software.
WRT a Win10 app, I'm highly dubious of a VPN working via WINE, but I guess stranger things have happened. I think the standard corporate image currently uses Win7 at this point anyways.
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Plus Win 10 apps don't work on Wine at all afaik
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You could do weird network shenanigans and route through a Windows VM though. I think.
It would be tdwtf-worthy hackiness, but I think it would work
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It's not anything I have to worry too much about yet. Java 8 is supported for over a year and a half still.
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The petulance and denial in the announcement is something to behold too... "we're removing it because the browsers makers are removing things from their products! We're the victims!"
Yes, they did it because of Java and Flash... if Oracle/Sun and Adobe hadn't done such an awful job it might not have happened.
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No harm if they can make it desktop based Applet instead. You just no longer able to run it in a browser.
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NoMuch less chance of harm if they can make it desktop based Applet instead. You just no longer able to run it in a browser.FTFY.
Filed Under: or maybe not. But at least it will be less likely to get sprung on some unsuspecting schmuck when they open a web page.
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Also, WebEx (online meeting thingy) uses it, which my company also uses.
I'm going to have to call NOREPRO on that one.
WebEx uses a browser extension
to launch a native executable.
Which is why it works when I launch it from Chrome.
The faster they go out of business the better. WebEx is shit.
Do you really think Cisco is going out of business any time soon?
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Lync + Lync Edge Server + Federated domains.
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Do you really think Cisco is going out of business any time soon?
I think he's just rooting for the demise of WebEx, not Cisco.
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I'm going to have to call NOREPRO on that one.
Yes, because you're using the wrong operating system.
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Lync + Lync Edge Server + Federated domains.
Hmm...I don't think my customer uses Lync. And it wouldn't be a general solution in any case, I'm sure.
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TRWTF is people using Windows but not Lync.
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Not everyone is fully invested in Microsoft tools and technologies
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TRWTF is people using Windows but not Lync.
how WTF are people who have no idea what Lync are?
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@rc4 said:
TRWTF is people using Windows but not Lync.
how WTF are people who have no idea what Lync are?
The lucky kind?
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OK, just to make this clear:
These are all the same product:
- Microsoft Communicator
- Microsoft Lync
- Skype for Business
with Skype for Business being the name used for new client releases.
Edit: Hell, the version we use in my office claims to be both Lync 2013 and Skype for Business 2015 in the About Skype for Business dialogue.
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I use Pidgin.
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the version we use in my office claims to be both Lync 2013 and Skype for Business 2015 in the About Skype for Business dialogue.
Hey, we're version buddies!
Status bar:
Title bar:
Hover:
Start menu:
About Microsoft Lync:
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TRWTF is people using Windows but not Lync.
TRWTF is people using Lync when it was superseded by Skype For Business like 2 years ago.
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like 2 years ago
ITYM <1 year: http://blogs.office.com/2014/11/11/introducing-skype-business/
In the first half of 2015, the next version of Lync will become Skype for Business
Also, I call it "Lync" still because "Skype for Business" is a pain in the ass to say and type.
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Also, I call it "Lync" still because "Skype for Business" is a pain in the ass to say and type.
and apparently even the app itself can't decide which one it is.
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Yeah, you can run it in "Lync" or "SfB" mode. Because it's still Lync, just with a different name and slightly different UI.
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Well that's just confusing.
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@boomzilla said:
I use Pidgin.
Pfft. I run an ICQ client from 2001, you young whippersnapper.
And that works with the software formerly known as Lync, eh?
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software formerly known as Lync
Oh no, it's not going to turn itself into some sort of pathetic symbol, is it?