Windows 9 (And Pandora) appreciation thread
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Then what's this for? Decoration?
Hmm. Maybe I don't understand how this works after all.
My (flawed?) understanding was that you couldn't switch user contexts and it was much simpler to just spawn a sub-process instead of trying to elevate. Maybe it's something about elevating vs using that API? I don't know...
Lol you've got me beat...
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Lol you've got me beat...
Nooooooooooooo! Don't give up just because you're wrong. Keep fighting. Never give in! NEVER SURRENDER!
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@sloosecannon got confused between su/sudo and setuid/setgid + real/effective UIDs/GIDs. The former is akin to UAC, the latter is actually more akin to all the fancy impersonation/... APIs that the Windows security API provides, but almost nobody seems to use.
In any case, changing the process UID is a privileged operation in the first place. Which just goes to show that code that runs at such a high level of elevation is probably Doing It Wrong in the first place. Or at least is DIW if it doesn't drop back to normal user ASAP.
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In any case, changing the process UID is a privileged operation in the first place. Which just goes to show that code that runs at such a high level of elevation is probably Doing It Wrong in the first place. Or at least is DIW if it doesn't drop back to normal user ASAP.
What about code that starts off elevated and drops privileges?
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I hate to agree with the OP, but I just built a new computer and as I am reinstalling all of my applications all of this dinging and prompting is getting really annoying really quickly. Is there an option like sudo to just elevate and remain elevated for a period of time? 8.1 is nagging me more than a bitchy girlfriend, or my wife for having said girlfriend.
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bong
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bong again
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bong Fuck all, just leave me alone.
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bong You nagging whore...
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Set user to be admin in control panel. Install shit. Set user back to be normal user.
Not positive but it SHOULD work.
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Already set myself as local admin. Still annoying the fuck out of me with the constant prompts and incessant bonging.
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How many programs are you installing? I just install shit as I need it.
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Quite a few. MS Office 2013, QuickBooks, VMWare Workstation, Chrome, VS2013, Google Drive Sync, Google Apps Sync, Virtual Clone Drive, etc. Those are the basics that I need to work. The rest will get installed on demand.
I am making peace with 8.1, but I still do not like it yet.
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Elevate a command prompt and run everything from that?
I think it still prompts you even then though - UAC has gotten stricter with each iteration. It's both a good and bad thing, really.
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Meh, I am done installing stuff for now. That incessant nagging and bonging is why people disable UAC though.
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Elevate a command prompt and run everything from that?
I think it still prompts you even then though
I just checked, and it won't.
Something to remember for next time.
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My (flawed?) understanding was that you couldn't switch user contexts and it was much simpler to just spawn a sub-process instead of trying to elevate.
You can impersonate another user account, but you're still limited by any 'deny' ACEs in your token. UserInit launches Explorer with a 'deny Administrators' ACE in its token, which Explorer and its subprocesses can't revoke. Instead, UserInit gets asked to start the program itself, without that ACE, which it does after UAC goes through.Elevate a command prompt and run everything from that?
No prompt. Elevated processes don't have the deny ACE, and as a result neither do the processes that inherit it.I think it still prompts you even then though
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Except the "original meaning" is a mistranslation.
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Which just makes it more WTFy and suitable for here.
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Good read. I tend to agree with the conclusion of "don't use it" but there's nothing wrong with explaining the meaning/s when someone else brings it up
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Well, sorry, I'm a bit tired and I still have to correct some tests where pupils in the 10th grade are unable to compute stuff like this: -45+2(20+2)
Without a pocket calculator, that is.
As a result, my snarkiness-detector is a bit impaired.
Seriously, there's no letters in that equation.
What am I supposed to solve it for?
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-45+2(20+2)
Assuming standard PEMDAS-4*5+2*(20+2) (-4*5)+(2*(20+2)) (-4*5)+(2*22) (-20)+(2*(22)) (-20)+(44) 24
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@Intercourse said:
Is there an option like sudo to just elevate and remain elevated for a period of time?
Using gpedit to set cmd.exe as a shutdown script with scripts run visible works for me.
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PEMDAS = 24?@accalia said:
Assuming standard PEMDAS
-4*5+2*(20+2) (-4*5)+(2*(20+2)) (-4*5)+(2*22) (-20)+(2*(22)) (-20)+(44) 24 ```</blockquote>
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PEMDAS = order of operations
Parenthesis
Exponentiation
Multiplication
Division
Addition
Subtractionexecute from left to right in the acronym and recurse for parnethesis.
and if i did my math right the problem does indeed = 24
but i don't guarantee my math is right.
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PEMDAS = order of operations
I learned it as BODMAS
Brackets
Of to the power (or pOwer, this one seemed a bit ill thought out)
Division
Multiplication
Addition
Subtraction
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BIRDMAS for us:
Brackets
Indices
Roots
Division
Multiplication
Addition
Subtraction
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In Dutch: Meneer Van Dale Wacht Op Antwoord
Machtsverheffen (exponentiation)
Vermenigvuldigen (multiplying)
Delen (division)
Worteltrekken (roots)
Optellen (addition)
Aftrekken (subtraction)
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Why do you have those pretty words?!
In German all we have is "Punkt-vor-Strich" ("Dots before Lines").The fact that powers and brackets are done before that is something you'll just have to learn.
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Aftrekken
Dirty Dutch Word of the day
Aftrekken:
noun- subtraction
- beating the one-eyed snake
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As the story goes, several hundred years ago someone needed to teach maths to ship captains, and made up understandable words to do it with. Which is how most countries have to use some variant of 'perpendicular' and we get 'loodlijn'.
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I don't think I ever heard these cutesy acronyms going up, I was just taught the precedence: parens, powers, times, addition. Roots are powers, division is multiplication, and subtraction is addition, so those don't even get mentioned.
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I've never cared for mnemonics.
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I've never cared for mnemonics.
I admit to their value although I don't generally use 'em.
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What about Johnny Mnemonic?
The story was good. I was excited about the movie but disappointed as expected.
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The story was good. I was excited about the movie but disappointed as expected.
Complete with pre-Matrix Keanu. Plenty of spare capacity in that brain.
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What about Johnny Mnemonic?
He's not a mnemonic, he's the mnemonic.
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Complete with pre-Matrix Keanu. Plenty of spare capacity in that brain.
I mostly remember it for Ice-T.
What about that one where you contort your hand and suddenly know what 3D coordinates are?
Hmm...I guess I was specifically thinking of the sort that uses letters to form a word. Which is what I think of when I say 'mnemonic.' But I guess that fits the definition, too. The right hand rule is useful, though.
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I just like that thread where people were calling me an idiot for not getting it, while simultaneously demonstrating that they were more hazy on the concept than I was. (Saying for example, that the axis on a graph "points" in a direction.)
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I just like that thread where people were calling me an idiot for not getting it,
Yeah, you pretty much were. But instead of calling you an idiot again, I'll quote serguey123:
You know, this is one of the rare few commentaries that I have read from you that are mathematically correct but does not take into account common sense
Saying for example, that the axis on a graph "points" in a direction.
Which seems like a reasonable interpretation of an axis to me. If it were an arbitrary line through, you'd have a point, but there is more to an axis than that. Interpreting the direction in which it increases as the direction it's pointing seems fairly natural to me.
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@boomzilla said:
... but there is more to an axis than that. Interpreting the direction in which it increases as the direction it's pointing seems fairly natural to me.
Ah! Thanks for the reminder!!
Anytime my youngest gets a "demonstrate this operation on the numberline" question... he just explodes and claims it cannot be done!!
I really, really, need to teach him this stuff. Otherwise, later on, vectors will be very hard. And physics.
Filed under: too much camping, not enough blackboard.
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Anytime my youngest gets a "demonstrate this operation on the numberline" question... he just explodes and claims it cannot be done!!
Kids always over complicate math problems.
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Kids always over complicate math problems.
Yea, but I need them when it's time to count to up to 80.
Wait, 79, Lefty had that accident.
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Kids always over complicate math problems.
Yeah. As I've told you guys before, I'm currently
teachinghelping a bunch of kids with basic arithmetics. I didn't know how bad they were, so in the first lesson I discovered that simple linear functions were a bit too difficult.So, next lesson I downgraded the difficulty severely. Only to be met several times with questions like: "What do I do now?" When I demonstrated an example (I had also included an example on the page itself, mind!) they told me: "Oh, that's easy!"
Just goes to show that they not only lack the proficiency to solve simple problems on their own, but also lack the ability to gauge the difficulty of tasks. Damn.
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Just goes to show that they not only lack the proficiency to solve simple problems on their own, but also lack the ability to gauge the difficulty of tasks.
The real problem that I see is that they can't connect the skills they have with a problem on their own. They need to be told what tools to apply. Which is an indication that they aren't engaged or that they don't really understand what they're doing when they do it.