🙅 THE BAD IDEAS THREAD
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He forgets that the population of active CS posters changed over time, too. Accurate memories are a barrier to incoherent rage.
True. I was pretty new on CS when DC came along. I had been on something like 4 months with about 30 posts.
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Nobody except you, morbius (right now), boomzilla, drjones, me (even if i posted about 1x a month over a 6 year period on CS), mott, pjh, and I'm missing quite a few more.
I'm also from the old forums.
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Congratulations, you're smarter than Darkmatter.
Then again, so is the average Doberman.
The point is when I say sweeping obviously technically incorrect statements like, "nobody from the old forums is here", you don't have to pull a Ben L and make your autism-list of all the ways I'm wrong. Because 1) I know I'm wrong, it was a joke, dumbshit, and 2) I don't give a shit.
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If no one responded about you being wrong, then you'd never get any responses.
Wouldn't that make you lonely?
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That would be Nirvana.
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If no one responded about you being wrong, then you'd never get any responses.Wouldn't that make you lonely?
That would be Nirvana.
Have you considered that a private text file might be a more suitable outlet for your ideas than a public forum?
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A forum where people don't respond to me because they agree with my opinions, imagine how awesome that world would be. Imagine how much better IT would be. Utopia.
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A forum where people don't respond to me because they agree with my opinions, imagine how awesome that world would be. Imagine how much better IT would be. Utopia.
I bow down to your superior imagination.
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Or, as I prefer to think of it: hell.
And that's coming from someone who happens to program in Personal Hell Pit.
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Congratulations, you're smarter than Darkmatter.
Then again, so is the average Doberman.
The point is when I say sweeping obviously technically incorrect statements like, "nobody from the old forums is here", you don't have to pull a Ben L and make your autism-list of all the ways I'm wrong. Because 1) I know I'm wrong, it was a joke, dumbshit, and 2) I don't give a shit.
But then I'll have no chance of earning a pedantry award!</sarc>
But honestly: 1) Half the time it's not obvious you know you're wrong. The rest of the time, it's just fun to piss you off for consistency. 2) Does it seem like I care if you give a shit?
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A forum where people don't respond to me because they agree with my opinions, imagine how awesome that world would be. Imagine how much better IT would be. Utopia.
Serious people in white coats who take notes as you rant and padded walls so you don't hurt yourself if you get too excited.
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I refuse your reality and substitute my own
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A forum where people don't respond to me because they agree with my opinions
Rest assured: of all the reasons people respond to you on this forum, agreeing with your opinions doesn't seem to be the most frequent.
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Calling 911 to complain that the stripper won't do you:
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Which is pretty offensive to actual autistic people.
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Which is pretty offensive to actual autistic people.
I don't see how. Yes, there are real autistic people out there, ones who are so completely cut off from society that they just sit in a corner and rock back-and-forth. Ben is not one of them. Nobody posting here is.
Once you start playing the "Well, I'm autistic spectrum because I have trouble talking to people" then that's killing your chances of getting better. A psychological diagnosis is a talisman against change. We've turned undesired emotional and social problems ("I'm shy and introverted") into diseases. Diseases that are never cured, but rather linger with a person for the rest of their life (or at least until they do something about it.)
Why are these "diseases" so much more prevalent in the modern day? Don't you think it's strange how things like ADHD and the autism spectrum disorders just sprang up out of nowhere? Is it possibly because they're a figment and the more we talk about them and "raise awareness" the more we mentally separate those people from the rest of the population?
Behaviors and feelings and problems that in the past would have been worked through are now deemed "illness" and the impetus for change is eliminated. Now we say "Well, you have an illness, so it's okay if you just spend the rest of your life in your room playing video games until one day you are 50, alone and miserable, and you wonder where the time went." How is that not immeasurably more cruel than the alternative?
I don't doubt that Ben has issues interacting with people. I don't doubt he's different in some ways from the general population. But dwelling on the issues and differences fixes nothing, it just magnifies them until the person ends up incorporating them heavily into their personality. "Oh, I'm autistic and depressive, so I can't have fun." It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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The exact reason they removed Asberger's from the DSM is because the cases of people pretending to have it were like 10 to every one person who actually had it. And when a diagnostic code is that misused, it's better to just retire it than to attempt repair.
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I should also point out that a lot of this is the modern American psychosis of "mental health". We can't accept that boys are different than girls, that they are more rambunctious and have energy they need to burn off, so we diagnose 'em with ADHD and put them on Ritalin. We do this to millions of boys.
The mental health system has just become an arm of the state. It would be unconstitutional for the courts to keep you locked up after you have served your sentence, but they routinely take people coming off their sentences and have them involuntarily committed for mental health reasons. Do you know how many people are on SSI (not SSDI) because they can't find a job, or don't want to? (Their official diagnoses of depression or anxiety disorder notwithstanding.)
Look at how many kids they're putting on anti-psychotics today. It's sickening. Those are dangerous drugs with powerful effects and side-effects meant to treat the very ill, but now they give them to 7 year olds who keep getting into fights (probably because they have a shitty home life.. but we can't fix that and it's passe to shame single mothers who spend all day watching TV and letting their kids run wild.) So we dope them up and the social workers start the paper trail that will eventually give them legal justification to have the kid locked up or put on SSI when he is an adult and commits his first crime.
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The exact reason they removed Asberger's from the DSM is because the cases of people pretending to have it were like 10 to every one person who actually had it. And when a diagnostic code is that misused, it's better to just retire it than to attempt repair.
Exactly. It became a fashionable disease. And so many mental health professionals just make a beeline for a diagnosis. I bet you could pull 100 random people from the street and send them to shrinks and all 100 would get a diagnosis of something. That's not a scientifically-based system, that's mass-delusion.
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In my case, I specifically tackled a doctor about it today. I've gone away, researched it, and I came to a conclusion that I probably have something along that line, not because I'm socially awkward, but because I present a number of the typical traits.
Me going to get a formal diagnosis is nothing to do with hiding away from society. On the contrary, it's about understanding myself better specifically so that I don't hide away from society so much, so that I can function better societally.
But I'd be the first to admit I'm not typical.
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Exactly. It became a fashionable disease. And so many mental health professionals just make a beeline for a diagnosis. I bet you could pull 100 random people from the street and send them to shrinks and all 100 would get a diagnosis of something. That's not a scientifically-based system, that's mass-delusion.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
Not to side with Scientology, but psychiatry seems to be an almost worthless science. Take engineering, medicine, chemistry, even social sciences, and you get a long list of positive achievements, with a flub here and there. With psychiatry, it's failure after failure: lobotomy, electroshocks, Freud's crap... All shrinks seem to do is serve as over-educated priests and chose a new set of mental disorder words now and then, once the old ones become insults.
Filed under: INTENTIONAL OVEREXAGERATION
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In my case, I specifically tackled a doctor about it today. I've gone away, researched it, and I came to a conclusion that I probably have something along that line, not because I'm socially awkward, but because I present a number of the typical traits.
But don't you see, that doesn't mean it's a real disease, it doesn't mean "disease" is the right paradigm to be thinking about the problems you are having. I'm not denying you have things you want to improve, I'm denying that psychiatry is the proper means of doing so.
Me going to get a formal diagnosis is nothing to do with hiding away from society. On the contrary, it's about understanding myself better specifically so that I don't hide away from society so much, so that I can function better societally.
Yeah, that's the standard line. I hope it works out for you, I really do. But I've never seen it work on the dozens of people I've seen go through it. Rather, the "cure" is just "See the doctor every week or two, indefinitely, until you grow bored, get fed up with your lack of progress, or can't afford it anymore."
See, we can make anything into a disease. Symptoms of a disease I call "Asshole Forum Poster":
- Gets drunk and yells obscenities at everyone
- Is "triggered" by discussions involving FOSS, Unix or anything that MacOS did better
- Can turn any thread into a flamewar over guns
What does calling that a "disease" tell us? Is a diagnosis more or less helpful than alternatives?
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See, we can make anything into a disease. Symptoms of a disease I call "Asshole Forum Poster":
- is blakeyrat
- is blakeyrat
- might be blakeyrat?
Post can't be empty
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What does calling that a "disease" tell us? Is a diagnosis more or less helpful than alternatives?
I have a few traits that might be considered Asperger's and while the curious part of me wants to know, the practical part of me says "How would that help?" And I don't think it would. I'd just get a new label and a new stigma. And the risk that once this country wakes up and tries to do something about mental illness they're going to Do It Wrongest™ and I'll get my CCW and driver's license and who knows what else taken from me all because I'm almost at the very bottom of the social "spectrum" and usually get along with technology better than with people.
I'm not sure Asperger's (as meant by the common definition, perhaps there is an Asperger's that does exist that has nothing to do with what most people consider Asperger's) is really an "illness". Most are well above average intelligence. It's hard to form social skills when your interests in 5th grade include classical physics and orbital mechanics, and the rest of the class outcasts you for being the smart kid who finishes tests in 10 - 15 minutes when everyone else takes a minimum of 45. Being smart isn't cool at that age and if you're unable to develop your social skills at an early age, it's really difficult to do so later on in life.
But what do I know? I'm not a psychiatrist.
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psychiatry seems to be an almost worthless science. Take engineering, medicine, chemistry, even social sciences, and you get a long list of positive achievements, with a flub here and there. With psychiatry, it's failure after failure: lobotomy, electroshocks, Freud's crap... All shrinks seem to do is serve as over-educated priests and chose a new set of mental disorder words now and then, once the old ones become insults.
Psychiatrists and Chiropractors
They should join together to break your mind AND your body all at once.
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And the risk that once this country wakes up and tries to do something about mental illness they're going to Do It Wrongest™ and I'll get my CCW and driver's license
Yes, where I am now I was trying to get a handgun permit and they tried to deny me because I take medication for insomnia. Not a psychiatric problem, not anything that's court-ordered. I have no criminal record (because they haven't caught me yet.. heh heh..) I just don't fall asleep easily and I need something to make me drowsy.
I asked the clerk if taking over-the-counter melatonin supplements to help me sleep would disqualify me, because I do take melatonin. She said based on her reading of the law, yes. Now keep in mind, she's just a clerk--unelected, unaccountable and with zero legal training. I pointed out that their definition of a "mental illness" seemed really overbroad and legally indefensible. I asked if a woman who had been raped and who had been traumatized would be denied a gun to defend herself, since she could have PTSD. She said yes.
Anyway, I could have sued, and surely would have prevailed, but I'm only living here a few more months, then it's back to a state that hands out CCWs if you so much as stop in one of their rest stops on the way through. Also, all of my guns are elsewhere, so it's easier to just not fuck with it. But it is a fair warning: some people will use every dirty trick to break the law. Don't give them an opening.
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I asked the clerk if taking over-the-counter melatonin supplements to help me sleep would disqualify me, because I do take melatonin. She said based on her reading of the law, yes. Now keep in mind, she's just a clerk--unelected, unaccountable and with zero legal training. I pointed out that their definition of a "mental illness" seemed really overbroad and legally indefensible. I asked if a woman who had been raped and who had been traumatized would be denied a gun to defend herself, since she could have PTSD. She said yes.
Anyway, I could have sued, and surely would have prevailed, but I'm only living here a few more months, then it's back to a state that hands out CCWs if you so much as stop in one of their rest stops on the way through. Also, all of my guns are elsewhere, so it's easier to just not fuck with it. But it is a fair warning: some people will use every dirty trick to break the law. Don't give them an opening.
<x>#americanproblems
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That's just it... I'm only too aware that the head doctors can't fix me. But I don't want them to. I want them to give me the best information they have so I can do it because, frankly, I trust me a fuck load more than I trust them.
Though there is one advantage in the UK, I'm not paying for stuff ;)
As for AFP disease, been there, done that.
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#americanproblems
I know, it sucks. I'm going to move to Mexico, where the U.S. Government is the one giving out guns.
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Though there is one advantage in the UK, I'm not paying for stuff
So you don't pay taxes? Or are you just really bad at understanding money?
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National Insurance obviously goes towards it, but it's not a direct thing. It's not like I will be presented with a bill at the end that needs to be taken care of. Nationalised health care is awesome.
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National Insurance obviously goes towards it, but it's not a direct thing. It's not like I will be presented with a bill at the end that needs to be taken care of. Nationalised health care is awesome.
Wow, you really are severely in need of mental health treatment, you fucking retard.
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With psychiatry, it's failure after failure: lobotomy, electroshocks, Freud's crap... All shrinks seem to do is serve as over-educated priests and chose a new set of mental disorder words now and then, once the old ones become insults.
They also drug you into zombiedom.
But I don't want them to. I want them to give me the best information they have so I can do it
The best information they have and are willing to give you will only help you to go to more sessions so that they continue to get paid.
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See you guys are fucking up the healthcare debate for us, you realize that right? If you say stuff like, "I don't pay anything", or "free healthcare" it totally distorts the system you have in a way that the talking heads over here can just clamp onto and say, "see?! See!?".
Healthcare isn't free. Neither are paved roads, or sewer systems. The key is who pays.
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Healthcare isn't free. Neither are paved roads, or sewer systems. The key is who pays.
Over here, the employer. That bit covers you for basic visits to the doctor, but you have to pay extra for any prescription or additional treatment. You can pay for extra insurance yourself which covers prescription and large chunks if any extra treatment.
Both what the employer pays and what you pay are small sums, since everyone pays and not everyone is sick all the time.
Used to be completely "free", as in, you didn't visibly have to pay anything, other than in taxes. Then they switched to this hybrid model, because it's "better". Guess what. Shit got worse for both patients and medical workers.
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Of course, "free" meant just that you didn't have to pay for anything officially. You still had to buy all the materials and meds, and of course, a little "tip" for the doctor in the end. Or you could be put on an endless waiting list, where you stay until you die. But it was "free", so there's that.
Now, it's all that, plus you have to pay to the state as well. Yay!
Filed under: Assuming it's the same shit, different fork
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Of course, "free" meant just that you didn't have to pay for anything officially. You still had to buy all the materials and meds, and of course, a little "tip" for the doctor in the end. Or you could be put on an endless waiting list, where you stay until you die. But it was "free", so there's that.
Well, yes. But that bit is still the same anyway.
Filed under: Assuming it's the same shit, different fork
I'm gonna buttume that it is as well. Who said Yugoslavia is gone,eh?
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If you say stuff like, "I don't pay anything", or "free healthcare" it totally distorts the system you have in a way that the talking heads over here can just clamp onto and say, "see?! See!?".
I think it mostly just illustrates they are lazy thinkers who know next to nothing about policy, economics or healthcare. It's an easy way to dismiss people who do not deserve to be taken seriously.
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Maybe, but those people are a majority of voters.
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I don't pay anything at point of use, nor will I have an explicit bill to pay after. It doesn't mean I haven't been paying in some other fashion. That's all I meant by it. I am well aware that ultimately I have been paying into the system and that it isn't actually free.
Excuse me for buttuming that people were smart enough not to need it spelled out for them.
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Maybe, but those people are a majority of voters.
Yes, which is why democracy just ends up devolving into an auction for stolen goods, usually stolen from the same people who think they're getting something.
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It also explains why cavemen are always depicted wearing bones in their hair.
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Or they go "I already paid for it with tax stuff" and thus it isn't an additional cost which is treated as free. Kinda like how most people don't think about paying for cops or firefighters.
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Excuse me for buttuming that people were smart enough not to need it spelled out for them.
The problem is that, as Blakey points out, a majority (or near enough) of people actually do think "free" stuff is free.
If you smear feces in your hair and congregate around the other people who have done the same, is it my fault that I assume you are a fool and not a reasonable person who is just rubbing shit in his hair idiomatically?
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If you smear feces in your hair and congregate around the other people who have done the same, is it my fault that I assume you are a fool and not a reasonable person who is just rubbing shit in his hair idiomatically?
Yeah, at least add a big ol' cow bone in there like us cool kids.
EDIT: seriously though, a lot of people in the US think of IRS returns as "free money" instead of, uh, the IRS made interest off your money for months and months and now you're finally getting the money they've owed you all year back.
Another good IQ test for people in political debates is to find out whether they take a lot of exemptions to get a bigger refund, or minimize their refund.
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Kinda like how most people don't think about paying for cops or firefighters.
The best is when you're being manhandled by a cop and you shout out "Hey, hands off me, pig! I pay your salary!! You work for me!!"
They really love that.
