Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb
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@sloosecannon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade and not paying attention to the idiot who pulled out in front of him?
I'm also not quite sure why he's leaving the highway at 50 mph with a intersection in plain view.
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I was right behind the car that ran into the guy that pulled out in front of him.
I was able to slow down in time because I had adequate following distance, which means that the guy in front of me had time to slow down for the red-light.
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@quijibo said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Has anyone studied how blackboxes work? I read a comment before and it made me wonder about whether it is possible that having one attached to a car constantly could end up being the cause of a collision.
My rough understanding is that it is a dongle that plugs into the OBD-II port on the car and constantly polls one of the ECUs for the current speed, RPM, etc. If so, could that interfere with the normal operation of an ECU?
It seems possible, if the ECU has to constantly service the commands from the dongle then it may be too busy to respond to other events within the manufacturer's design limits. There are multiple ECUs that handle different functions, but what happens on that one make/model where OBD-II and the dashboard display are running on the same ECU? Or brake pedal sensor? (Or, alternatively, where the OBD-II ECU is in turn adding more commands on a CAN-bus and that interferes with another critical function?)
I wonder if this may end up in a courtroom some day...
Shouldn't make a difference. I have a Bluetooth OBD2 scanner that I use to log data when I race*. I've also used it while driving with no problems.
*The main purpose was to determine why my car only traps 111-112 in the 1/4 mile (or 105-108 in the summer) when it should be around 115. It turns out that the ECU pulls a lot of timing when intake air temperatures are above 130-140°F. It also turns out that there are these things called "staging lanes," and this thing called "heat soak," and waiting motionless for a while tends to allow heat to quickly and easily build up. I don't think a 115mph pass is going to happen unless it's during a private rental so that airflow can keep intake temperatures low, or unless the blower gets iced down, which I'm hesitant to do as I hear that thermal contraction can warp the rotors.
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@Rhywden said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I'm also not quite sure why he's leaving the highway at 50 mph with a intersection in plain view.
I'm just going to stop, because you're not understanding what I'm saying, and I can tell you're not interested in doing so.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I was right behind the car that ran into the guy that pulled out in front of him.
I was able to slow down in time because I had adequate following distance, which means that the guy in front of me had time to slow down for the red-light.
OK, first that sounds like a badly designed exit.
But, even then, why is the light relevant? Your guy entering the intersection isn't gonna have time to accelerate, regardless of the light. So that accident would happen whether it was red or not.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Do. Not. Drive. Beside. An. 18. Wheeler.
Counting vehicle wheels in traffic is dangerous
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@Dragoon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade Large trucks are one of the few vehicles that I always pass if I can, even if they are going the speed limit. I can't see around them so I can't properly prepare for any upcoming road conditions.
Also, recap tires
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
People that would have run the redlight, come out of a driveway, cut you off, then slam on the breaks to avoid the red-light ticket.
If you're going SO FAST towards a yellow light that there's time for someone to get ahead of you AND get you off AND slam on their brakes AND you don't have time to brake because of that, then you are a horrible, horrible driver.
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@FrostCat said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
then immediately slow down
don't do that, either, unless you make sure to leave plenty of room between you and the truck, unless you want to wind up with the truck in your back seat.
I said pass the truck. Not cut it off.
If you're going to pass the truck AND get into it's lane, then you want to be far, far ahead of it before you switch lanes.
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@antiquarian ...
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
People that would have run the redlight, come out of a driveway, cut you off, then slam on the breaks to avoid the red-light ticket.
If you're going SO FAST towards a yellow light that there's time for someone to get ahead of you AND get you off AND slam on their brakes AND you don't have time to brake because of that, then you are a horrible, horrible driver.
Sure
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@fbmac said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@antiquarian ...
Can we install a red-light camera for fbmac deletions?
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Can we install a red-light camera for fbmac deletions?
But you can't prove he was the one using the keyboard
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@sloosecannon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I suppose I'm also not supposed to drive along side 18 wheelers... ever...
I've had one decide he wanted my lane and that I didn't exist.... when I was between him and the barrier...
Were you in his blind spot? Cause the blind spot on those things is bad.
That's why you pass them very carefully.
I've had that happen. I moved from the slow lane to the next (4 lane highway) to allow a solid line of traffic to merge from the on-ramp. I was doing 55 (towing). I saw the truck well behind me. He came up fast, pulled to the left (he's now in lane 2 - not allowed). He then proceeds to move right over on me. Had to slam the breaks on and swerve into slow lane. Thank $diety no one was there. He very much did it intentionally because he didn't want to slow down. (I really should get a dash cam - people pull the stupidest shit on you when you're pulling a trailer!)
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@Gurth I know what an induction loop is, dummy. I was asking how it determines the speed of the vehicle.
Although I was more thinking in terms of the strips that detect when tires go over them. And it later occurred to me that they probably just use 2 sensors a fixed distance apart, but close enough that they'll only get 1 car at a time.
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@Gurth said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
You’d have to do some seriously unsafe driving to make it mistake two vehicles for one.
Motorcycles and lane splitting.
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@heterodox said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Is he still allowed to drive? The state typically revokes your license if you're a repeat offender.
Like that stops a drunk from driving...
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@heterodox said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I was about to say that Germany has nothing to do with this but realized this discussion started in a discussion about the logbook provisions. That's how far afield this argument is by now.
It's still talking about traffic issues, so I'd say this is probably (one of) the least drifty topics in this forum! (Especially 247 posts in)
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@sloosecannon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
That's not a good reason to be against them though.
That's a good reason for me to be against my local government doing it.
I'm not against red-light cameras implemented properly.
Personally I'd rather my local government do it than some private company whose main goal is to maximize profit for its shareholders.
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@boomzilla said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
This guy's list leaves out perhaps the most important problem: Exploding gas stations due to people using the little clip (or whatever) that keeps the gas pumping but allow you to let go of the handle.
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE EXPLODING GAS STATIONS
WAIT! I thought the cell phone was to blame!
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@dcon It's probably the lack of switches on the outlets!
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@sloosecannon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@Rhywden said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I think we just wandered into serious tinfoil-hat country.
That's not tinfoil hat, that's pessimistic about programmer competence.
I don't think it's really likely (that would be one hell of a hug to trigger) but it's not totally out of the realm of possibility
Exactly. I'm not saying that it is likely to happen, just that it is possible. How can the blackbox manufacturer their dongle on every make/model/year out there? And yes, people use them and so far everything seems okay.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
My entire point, all this time, is that you escalated a minor infraction into an expensive and drawn out court case, because you simply wanted to catch more speeders.
No, you did by being a dick, making false legal reports to the police, pissing off the prosecutor and judge, and earning yourself heavy fines, a revoked driving license, and jail time, instead of just admitting that you were driving and paying the fucking $150 or whatever it is fine.
Totally your call. Totally on you. If you want to play that game... you will lose. Maybe even if you get away with it once. But you really do not want to be a lying asshole to the cops and judge. They will figure it out and they will make you pay dearly for it.
And your expectation that enough other people would do this to collectively overburden the legal system? Yeah, that comes across as a little bit unrealistic.
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@dcon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Personally I'd rather my local government do it than some private company whose main goal is to maximize profit for its shareholders.
Much better than those cops that pull you over and just take your money because you might buy weed with it?
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
And your expectation that enough other people would do this to collectively overburden the legal system? Yeah, that comes across as a little bit unrealistic.
Get on jury duty. Especially grand jury.
Then come back to me.
GJ has 10 mins per case to determine if the trial will be successful.
The amount of bullshit I heard without even being selected was enough to make my brain explode.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@dcon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Personally I'd rather my local government do it than some private company whose main goal is to maximize profit for its shareholders.
Much better than those cops that pull you over and just take your money because you might buy weed with it?
Uh
What?
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
No, you did by being a dick, making false legal reports to the police, pissing off the prosecutor and judge, and earning yourself heavy fines, a revoked driving license, and jail time, instead of just admitting that you were driving and paying the fucking $150 or whatever it is fine.
If the argument is what is ethical, then you're right.
If the argument is whether it's plausible to put the same weight behind a traffic camera as a cop, when said camera can't see the driver, it is not. Maybe in a small town, maybe in a town with more judges per capita, but not in the large cities I've been in.
If a camera could have that weight, then a cop would never pull over someone ever again for minor infractions. They'd simply mail out every traffic ticket.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
If you're going SO FAST towards a yellow light that there's time for someone to get ahead of you AND get you off
Yeah, that's definitely not safe to do while driving.
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@sloosecannon I cannot understand the trust that is given to the government over corporations.
I'm sorry, but the argument about government not making a profit holds no weight with me. The amount of money that goes to politicians, and any government organization that can fine a person (like the cops), has enough room to account for the single digit % net profit that many big companies earn. When the big topic about automatic traffic fines is how much revenue it is generating, then I don't really feel a need to defend that point much more than that.
To me, government is just a big public company with a monopoly, that funnels profits into campaign contributions, and politicians voting themselves raises.
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
To me, government is just a big public company with a monopoly
Everything that's wrong with your world view, summarized in one sentence.
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@xaade what happy wondeful world you live. Government here is the mob. Political campaigns are paid by crime cartels that get 100x what they spent back.
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@asdf I think that says more about how you view companies than how I view government.
In what way is it not? What amount of the economy must it control before people will recognize that it's "profit" is simply it's place among other nations.
The entities are more alike than different.
I don't think that one group of people are going to be inherently benevolent simply because of the nature of the way they organize themselves. Benevolence is a choice of individuals, not a quality of an organization.
When the government becomes a recognizably separate entity from the public it serves, it is more like a corporation than not.
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@groo said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Government here is the mob. Political campaigns are paid by crime cartels that get 100x what they spent back.
It's not that bad.
But the government isn't inherently better. It's morally neutral outside of the only moral fiber of the US government is the rights that it says it protects.
I'm not saying that government is evil. But I don't think that corporations are evil either.
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@asdf said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
To me, government is just a big public company with a monopoly
Everything that's wrong with your world view, summarized in one sentence.
QFT
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@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I think that says more about how you view companies than how I view government.
I disagree.
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
What amount of the economy must it control before people will recognize that it's "profit" is simply it's place among other nations.
I also disagree, since I'm not a nationalist. Not so sure about you.
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@xaade a private company is a farm.
the government is a cow, and you're the grass it's eating.
It doesn't retain it's profit, it's slaughtered by the farmers.
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@xaade You have enough corporations paying the politicians for less direct benefits, so they have the benefit of having a succesful campaign with less evil compromises.
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@groo That's a really contorted analogy.
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
jail time
Don't underestimate this. The punishments for perjury tend to be quite severe everywhere as courts really hate lying assholes.
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@dcon said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@heterodox said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Is he still allowed to drive? The state typically revokes your license if you're a repeat offender.
Like that stops a drunk from driving...
You catch them driving drunk with a suspended license, you toss them in jail for a while to hopefully consider the life choices that got them there.
And then officer friendly pays extra close attention to him after he gets out because it's a small town and they have nothing better to do than be on the lookout for him personally, so they can toss him right back in jail if he gets behind a wheel.
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@anotherusername said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
And then officer friendly pays extra close attention to him after he gets out because it's a small town
Small towns tend to not have police co-located.
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@asdf said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I also disagree, since I'm not a nationalist. Not so sure about you.
The only way nationalism applies is that I modeled countries as companies competing globally. I thought that nationalism/globalism is how you WANT the world to work, not how you recognize it to work currently. Does this mean no American can truly be socialist because they admit that America operates on capitalism?
Does this mean I think that countries WANT to operate the way they do, and don't seek better ideals? No. I don't think every country is being dishonest to its citizens. I just think that the nature of the interactions of countries leads to competition, and there's little you can do to avoid that.
When governments own things, like the medical care system, they behave like companies. They have bottom lines, too. Does this mean I believe they seek profit above the needs of the people intentionally? No. But I believe that the complexity of the interaction between lobbies and politicians leads to circumstances similar to seeking profit. The difference between governments and companies in this regard, is that the government is inherently corrupt for doing so, but I don't think anyone can seriously suggest that government does not harbor this kind of corruption.
In fact, I once read an article that defended the ever increasing US deficit by pointing out that companies like Amazon operate on the same principle of growth. That the deficit isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Seriously, no other explanation for NATO behavior in the Middle East makes more sense. And it's exactly what the terrorists complain about.
The only thing I argue that is debatable, IMO, is that other countries would behave similarly in our position.
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@dkf said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
That's a really contorted analogy.
I think he's referring to lobbying power and the way government seems to be bought out by lobbyists.
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@groo said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade a private company is a farm.
the government is a cow, and you're the grass it's eating.
It doesn't retain it's profit, it's slaughtered by the farmers.
I'd argue that the profit returns to the "government" in the form of returning to politicians.
I'm not saying that the government retains profit.
I'm saying that the politicians that profit from government provides similar motivations to the way a company retains profit.
The politicians hold the role of the investors in a publicly traded company.
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@Gurth said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I don’t have a car, and even if I did I wouldn’t be allowed to drive it on public roads
Wait...what? Huh? Why?
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@antiquarian said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
You'd have to fence in Ohio and make it a prison farm.
Our Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishments.
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@Lorne-Kates said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Someone stole my wife's car from the park and ride.
@xaade said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
I'm sorry, I only thought it was stolen. Girlfriend rode off in it and forgot to call me...
Yeah, I think you have bigger problems than a red light camera.
Not until the wife finds out, or the gf gets knocked up.
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@Rhywden said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Strangely enough, we're perfectly able to do that in Germany.
Yeah, you just don't bother. Guilty until proven innocent in these cases.
Not a real good argument to try and make.
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@boomzilla said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
This guy's list leaves out perhaps the most important problem: Exploding gas stations due to people using the little clip (or whatever) that keeps the gas pumping but allow you to let go of the handle.
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE EXPLODING GAS STATIONSI just wish someone would do something about our electrical plugs. I have electrocuted myself 87 times today. I look like Doc Emmett Brown.
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@quijibo said in Idiot comes up with stupid demands for "safe driving" that even @Lorne-Kates says are idiot dumb:
Has anyone studied how blackboxes work? I read a comment before and it made me wonder about whether it is possible that having one attached to a car constantly could end up being the cause of a collision.
My rough understanding is that it is a dongle that plugs into the OBD-II port on the car and constantly polls one of the ECUs for the current speed, RPM, etc. If so, could that interfere with the normal operation of an ECU?
It seems possible, if the ECU has to constantly service the commands from the dongle then it may be too busy to respond to other events within the manufacturer's design limits. There are multiple ECUs that handle different functions, but what happens on that one make/model where OBD-II and the dashboard display are running on the same ECU? Or brake pedal sensor? (Or, alternatively, where the OBD-II ECU is in turn adding more commands on a CAN-bus and that interferes with another critical function?)
I wonder if this may end up in a courtroom some day...
What do you think will happen exactly? The absolute worst would be a misfire, but that will not happen either because they are using a variation of real-time operating systems that give priority to critical functions. You would register trouble codes long before the car shit itself.
Also, there is no "brake pedal sensor". Brakes are hydraulic and not computer actuated for normal braking.