Idiocy by proxy
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This is an on-going discussion with a client and their 'SEO expert' and one of our developers.... Top message is most recent. The instructions provided I could paste here, but they're piteous and boilerplate enough that they're easily identifiable.
Hello,
Please find the attached optimization instructions. You will find 4
separate attachments.- Sitemap.xml - This needs to be uploaded to your home directory.
- Googlesitemapinstructions.txt - Instructions on how to implement the Google sitemap.
- www.maggiescosmetics.com _Instructions.txt - Search engine optimization
instructions for the website.
Please let us know when the above is complete.
We will await your reply.
Sincerely,
Customer Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.comOn 28 May 2008, at 13:21, info@maggiescosmetics.com wrote:
Hi Bob
Please advise.
Thanks
MargaretBob writes :
Hi Margaret,
I contacted you about this shortly after they contacted us - I'm
afraid we can't do the integration work free of charge, as most of
their requests are fairly general 'please SEO the site' type requests,
and will require some time to integrate. As I previously said, we're
perfectly happy to give them access to make the changes themselves -
they need only email at the start of their business day with their IP
address and we'll give them FTP access.Thanks,
Bob
SEO Experts ::
Hi Margaret,
We created custom on-site optimization instructions because we were told
they would be implemented to the site. We normally would charge our
hourly fee, but we didn't. Now we are being told we wasted our time...We would be perfectly happy to do the re-optimization of the site again
at no charge whatsoever, but they need to open up the firewall. As we
have explained previously, we have DYNAMIC IP addresses. At a simple
refresh of our browser we could get another IP address and not be able
to upload due to their firewall.Sincerely,
Customer Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.comHi Bob
As you can see from the response we have arrived at a stalemate - any suggestions?
Regards
MargaretBob writes::
Hi Margaret,
They won't get a new IP address each time they refresh their browser -
DHCP simply does not work this way. Dynamic IPs are typically leased
for the duration of a connection, plus a buffer window in order to
cater for connections dropped for short periods, so unless they
restart their router in between every page load, their IP should be
static for the entire duration of their connection - if their IP
shifted randomly throughout their internet session it would make
virtually any internet usage impossible.As I said, they're welcome to email with their IP address when they
start their internet connection up in the morning, as I take it they
shut it down overnight, and I'll open up the firewall for them.
There's absolutely no way we can open up the firewall to all traffic
for an extended period, as it would put both your site and other
client sites at risk.Thanks,
Bob
----- Forwarded message from support@enroleverywhere.com -----
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:05:06 -0700
From: "enroleverywhere.com" support@enroleverywhere.com
Reply-To: "enroleverywhere.com" support@enroleverywhere.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: maggiescosmetics.com - on-site optimization instructions
To: info@maggiescosmetics.comHi Margaret,
Although we appreciate bob's opinion on the matter, but he is
completely mistaken. The whole point of a DYNAMIC IP is you simply don't
know for how long the IP will remain in place. It can change with a
simple refresh as we explained. Our network runs on 6 different DYNAMIC
IP addresses as such there is no guarantee whatsoever they will remain
in place by the time they add our IP to their firewall. Please note, we
tried this system twice already and our IP address had changed both
times they added it to the firewall.For the most part they just need to copy and
paste. It should take no more than 45 minutes to complete our
instructions.Sincerely,
Customer Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.comHi Margaret,
Unfortunately, he's mistaken about my being mistaken - I spent three
years developing thin-client trading software and architecting
networks for the financial industry - the only possible scenario that
would describe his situation would be if he's on a pooled connection
with some kind of outgoing round robin DNS, although such a setup
would be extremely improbable. If he has 6 dynamic IPs, it's
absolutely not a problem for me to add each of them to the apf setup -
also, if there's a specific netblock his IPs will lie within, I can
add that if he can provide it in CIDR notation.Thanks,
Bob
Hi Bob
This is the response I got:
"This morning just on the machine I am on alone the DYNAMIC (not static)
IP address has changed 3 times..."I can't see an end to this situation!
Margaret
Hi Margaret,
I can send him an archive of the complete site structure, which he can then amend, re-archive, and I'll upload, if that suits him.
Bob
Hi Margaret,
If you recall, we already tried giving it to them on 2 different
occasions.
Download is not possible because our IP is changing. Each time, by
the time they added it to the firewall our IP address had changed. So we
are confused as to the disbelief on dynamic IP addresses and how they
work...Sincerely,
Customer Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.com
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GAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! "Sir, we've detected a giant wall of text at 12 o'clock!" "Hard to port!"
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GAHH!! My eyes!!! TL;DNR!
lern2<br>
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The forum software is the real wtf...
FFS.
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Screwed up line ends i guess. here's my go at it, copied from pagesource:
This is an on-going discussion with a client and their 'SEO expert' and one of our developers.... Top message is most recent. The instructions provided I could paste here, but they're piteous and boilerplate enough that they're easily identifiable. Hello, Please find the attached optimization instructions. You will find 4 separate attachments. 1) Sitemap.xml - This needs to be uploaded to your home directory. 2) Googlesitemapinstructions.txt - Instructions on how to implement the Google sitemap. 3) www.maggiescosmetics.com _Instructions.txt - Search engine optimization instructions for the website. Please let us know when the above is complete. We will await your reply. Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com On 28 May 2008, at 13:21, info@maggiescosmetics.com wrote:
> Hi Bob > Please advise. > Thanks > Margaret Bob writes : Hi Margaret, I contacted you about this shortly after they contacted us - I'm afraid we can't do the integration work free of charge, as most of their requests are fairly general 'please SEO the site' type requests, and will require some time to integrate. As I previously said, we're perfectly happy to give them access to make the changes themselves - they need only email at the start of their business day with their IP address and we'll give them FTP access. Thanks, Bob SEO Experts :: Hi Margaret, We created custom on-site optimization instructions because we were told they would be implemented to the site. We normally would charge our hourly fee, but we didn't. Now we are being told we wasted our time... We would be perfectly happy to do the re-optimization of the site again at no charge whatsoever, but they need to open up the firewall. As we have explained previously, we have DYNAMIC IP addresses. At a simple refresh of our browser we could get another IP address and not be able to upload due to their firewall. Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com Hi Bob As you can see from the response we have arrived at a stalemate - any suggestions? Regards Margaret Bob writes:: Hi Margaret, They won't get a new IP address each time they refresh their browser - DHCP simply does not work this way. Dynamic IPs are typically leased for the duration of a connection, plus a buffer window in order to cater for connections dropped for short periods, so unless they restart their router in between every page load, their IP should be static for the entire duration of their connection - if their IP shifted randomly throughout their internet session it would make virtually any internet usage impossible. As I said, they're welcome to email with their IP address when they start their internet connection up in the morning, as I take it they shut it down overnight, and I'll open up the firewall for them. There's absolutely no way we can open up the firewall to all traffic for an extended period, as it would put both your site and other client sites at risk. Thanks, Bob ----- Forwarded message from support@enroleverywhere.com ----- Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:05:06 -0700 From: "enroleverywhere.com" Reply-To: "enroleverywhere.com" Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: maggiescosmetics.com - on-site optimization instructions To: info@maggiescosmetics.com Hi Margaret, Although we appreciate bob's opinion on the matter, but he is completely mistaken. The whole point of a DYNAMIC IP is you simply don't know for how long the IP will remain in place. It can change with a simple refresh as we explained. Our network runs on 6 different DYNAMIC IP addresses as such there is no guarantee whatsoever they will remain in place by the time they add our IP to their firewall. Please note, we tried this system twice already and our IP address had changed both times they added it to the firewall. For the most part they just need to copy and paste. It should take no more than 45 minutes to complete our instructions. Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com Hi Margaret, Unfortunately, he's mistaken about my being mistaken - I spent three years developing thin-client trading software and architecting networks for the financial industry - the only possible scenario that would describe his situation would be if he's on a pooled connection with some kind of outgoing round robin DNS, although such a setup would be extremely improbable. If he has 6 dynamic IPs, it's absolutely not a problem for me to add each of them to the apf setup - also, if there's a specific netblock his IPs will lie within, I can add that if he can provide it in CIDR notation. Thanks, Bob Hi Bob This is the response I got: "This morning just on the machine I am on alone the DYNAMIC (not static) IP address has changed 3 times..." I can't see an end to this situation! Margaret Hi Margaret, I can send him an archive of the complete site structure, which he can then amend, re-archive, and I'll upload, if that suits him. Bob > Hi Margaret, > > If you recall, we already tried giving it to them on 2 different > occasions. > Download is not possible because our IP is changing. Each time, by > the time they added it to the firewall our IP address had changed. So we > are confused as to the disbelief on dynamic IP addresses and how they > work... Sincerely, Customer Support http://www.enroleverywhere.com
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Improved version:
Thisisanon-goingdiscussionwithaclientandtheir'SEOexpert'andoneofourdevelopers....Topmessageismostrecent.TheinstructionsprovidedIcouldpastehere,butthey'repiteousandboiler
plateenoughthatthey'reeasilyidentifiable.Hello,Pleasefindtheattachedoptimizationinstructions.Youwillfind4separateattachments.1)Sitemap.xml-Thisneedstobeuploadedtoyourhome
directory.2)Googlesitemapinstructions.txt-InstructionsonhowtoimplementtheGooglesitemap.3)www.maggiescosmetics.com_Instructions.txt-Searchengineoptimizationinstructions
forthewebsite.Pleaseletusknowwhentheaboveiscomplete.Wewillawaityourreply.Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://www.enroleverywhere.comOn28May2008,at13:21,info@maggie
scosmetics.comwrote:>HiBob>Pleaseadvise.>Thanks>MargaretBobwrites:HiMargaret,Icontactedyouaboutthisshortlyaftertheycontactedus-I'mafraidwecan'tdotheintegrationworkf
reeofcharge,asmostoftheirrequestsarefairlygeneral'pleaseSEOthesite'typerequests,andwillrequiresometimetointegrate.AsIpreviouslysaid,we'reperfectlyhappytogivethemaccesstoma
kethechangesthemselves-theyneedonlyemailatthestartoftheirbusinessdaywiththeirIPaddressandwe'llgivethemFTPaccess.Thanks,BobSEOExperts::HiMargaret,Wecreatedcustomon-s
iteoptimizationinstructionsbecauseweweretoldtheywouldbeimplementedtothesite.Wenormallywouldchargeourhourlyfee,butwedidn't.Nowwearebeingtoldwewastedourtime...Wew
ouldbeperfectlyhappytodothere-optimizationofthesiteagainatnochargewhatsoever,buttheyneedtoopenupthefirewall.Aswehaveexplainedpreviously,wehaveDYNAMICIPaddresses.Ata
simplerefreshofourbrowserwecouldgetanotherIPaddressandnotbeabletouploadduetotheirfirewall.Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://www.enroleverywhere.comHiBobAsyoucanseefro
mtheresponsewehavearrivedatastalemate-anysuggestions?RegardsMargaretBobwrites::HiMargaret,Theywon'tgetanewIPaddresseachtimetheyrefreshtheirbrowser-DHCPsimplydoesno
tworkthisway.DynamicIPsaretypicallyleasedforthedurationofaconnection,plusabufferwindowinordertocaterforconnectionsdroppedforshortperiods,sounlesstheyrestarttheirrouterinbet
weeneverypageload,theirIPshouldbestaticfortheentiredurationoftheirconnection-iftheirIPshiftedrandomlythroughouttheirinternetsessionitwouldmakevirtuallyanyinternetusageimpossib
le.AsIsaid,they'rewelcometoemailwiththeirIPaddresswhentheystarttheirinternetconnectionupinthemorning,asItakeittheyshutitdownovernight,andI'llopenupthefirewallforthem.There's
absolutelynowaywecanopenupthefirewalltoalltrafficforanextendedperiod,asitwouldputbothyoursiteandotherclientsitesatrisk.Thanks,Bob-----Forwardedmessagefromsupport@enrolever
ywhere.com-----Date:Wed,04Jun200814:05:06-0700From:"enroleverywhere.com"Reply-To:"enroleverywhere.com"Subject:Re:Fwd:Re:maggiescosmetics.com-on-siteoptimizationinst
ructionsTo:info@maggiescosmetics.comHiMargaret,Althoughweappreciatebob'sopiniononthematter,butheiscompletelymistaken.ThewholepointofaDYNAMICIPisyousimplydon'tknowfor
howlongtheIPwillremaininplace.Itcanchangewithasimplerefreshasweexplained.Ournetworkrunson6differentDYNAMICIPaddressesassuchthereisnoguaranteewhatsoevertheywillremainin
placebythetimetheyaddourIPtotheirfirewall.Pleasenote,wetriedthissystemtwicealreadyandourIPaddresshadchangedbothtimestheyaddedittothefirewall.Forthemostparttheyjustneedto
copyandpaste.Itshouldtakenomorethan45minutestocompleteourinstructions.Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://www.enroleverywhere.comHiMargaret,Unfortunately,he'smistakenabo
utmybeingmistaken-Ispentthreeyearsdevelopingthin-clienttradingsoftwareandarchitectingnetworksforthefinancialindustry-theonlypossiblescenariothatwoulddescribehissituationwouldb
eifhe'sonapooledconnectionwithsomekindofoutgoingroundrobinDNS,althoughsuchasetupwouldbeextremelyimprobable.Ifhehas6dynamicIPs,it'sabsolutelynotaproblemformetoaddeacho
fthemtotheapfsetup-also,ifthere'saspecificnetblockhisIPswillliewithin,IcanaddthatifhecanprovideitinCIDRnotation.Thanks,BobHiBobThisistheresponseIgot:"Thismorningjustonthemachine
IamonalonetheDYNAMIC(notstatic)IPaddresshaschanged3times..."Ican'tseeanendtothissituation!MargaretHiMargaret,Icansendhimanarchiveofthecompletesitestructure,whichhecanthe
namend,re-archive,andI'llupload,ifthatsuitshim.Bob>HiMargaret,>>Ifyourecall,wealreadytriedgivingittothemon2different>occasions.>DownloadisnotpossiblebecauseourIPischanging.Eac
htime,by>thetimetheyaddedittothefirewallourIPaddresshadchanged.Sowe>areconfusedastothedisbeliefondynamicIPaddressesandhowthey>work...Sincerely,CustomerSupporthttp://w
ww.enroleverywhere.com
It takes even less space!
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Fail.
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mewin!
the software is detecting the html tags in the text block (>) and switches to html mode, meaning line ends get screwed/are ignored. using pre tags helps.
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Aside from the lack of breaks, it's also missing breaks in-between the e-mails, so it's hard to determine the separation point. Therefore, the whole damn thing reads like this:
Sed ut perspiciatis, unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium doloremque laudantium, totam rem aperiam eaque ipsa, quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt, explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem, quia voluptas sit, aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos, qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt, neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum, quia dolor sit, amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt, ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit, qui in ea voluptate velit esse, quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum, qui dolorem eum fugiat, quo voluptas nulla pariatur? At vero eos et accusamus et iusto odio dignissimos ducimus, qui blanditiis praesentium voluptatum deleniti atque corrupti, quos dolores et quas molestias excepturi sint, obcaecati cupiditate non provident, similique sunt in culpa, qui officia deserunt mollitia animi, id est laborum et dolorum fuga. Et harum quidem rerum facilis est et expedita distinctio. Nam libero tempore, cum soluta nobis est eligendi optio, cumque nihil impedit, quo minus id, quod maxime placeat, facere possimus, omnis voluptas assumenda est, omnis dolor repellendus. Temporibus autem quibusdam et aut officiis debitis aut rerum necessitatibus saepe eveniet, ut et voluptates repudiandae sint et molestiae non recusandae. Itaque earum rerum hic tenetur a sapiente delectus, ut aut reiciendis voluptatibus maiores alias consequatur aut perferendis doloribus asperiores repellat.
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Better version:
This
is
an
on-going
discussion
with
a
client
and
their
'SEO
expert'
and
one
of
our
developers....
Top
message
is
most
recent.
The
instructions
provided
I
could
paste
here,
but
they're
piteous
and
boilerplate
enough
that
they're
easily
identifiable.
Hello,
Please
find
the
attached
optimization
instructions.
You
will
find
4
separate
attachments.
1)
Sitemap.xmlThis
needs
to
be
uploaded
to
your
home
directory.
2)
Googlesitemapinstructions.txtInstructions
on
how
to
implement
the
Google
sitemap.
3)
www.maggiescosmetics.com
_Instructions.txtSearch
engine
optimization
instructions
for
the
website.
Please
let
us
know
when
the
above
is
complete.
We
will
await
your
reply.
Sincerely,
Customer
Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.com
On
28
May
2008,
at
13:21,
info@maggiescosmetics.com
wrote:Hi
BobPlease
advise.Thanks
Margaret
Bob
writes
:
Hi
Margaret,
I
contacted
you
about
this
shortly
after
they
contacted
usI'm
afraid
we
can't
do
the
integration
work
free
of
charge,
as
most
of
their
requests
are
fairly
general
'please
SEO
the
site'
type
requests,
and
will
require
some
time
to
integrate.
As
I
previously
said,
we're
perfectly
happy
to
give
them
access
to
make
the
changes
themselvesthey
need
only
email
at
the
start
of
their
business
day
with
their
IP
address
and
we'll
give
them
FTP
access.
Thanks,
Bob
SEO
Experts
::
Hi
Margaret,
We
created
custom
on-site
optimization
instructions
because
we
were
told
they
would
be
implemented
to
the
site.
We
normally
would
charge
our
hourly
fee,
but
we
didn't.
Now
we
are
being
told
we
wasted
our
time...
We
would
be
perfectly
happy
to
do
the
re-optimization
of
the
site
again
at
no
charge
whatsoever,
but
they
need
to
open
up
the
firewall.
As
we
have
explained
previously,
we
have
DYNAMIC
IP
addresses.
At
a
simple
refresh
of
our
browser
we
could
get
another
IP
address
and
not
be
able
to
upload
due
to
their
firewall.
Sincerely,
Customer
Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.com
Hi
Bob
As
you
can
see
from
the
response
we
have
arrived
at
a
stalemateany
suggestions?
Regards
Margaret
Bob
writes::
Hi
Margaret,
They
won't
get
a
new
IP
address
each
time
they
refresh
their
browserDHCP
simply
does
not
work
this
way.
Dynamic
IPs
are
typically
leased
for
the
duration
of
a
connection,
plus
a
buffer
window
in
order
to
cater
for
connections
dropped
for
short
periods,
so
unless
they
restart
their
router
in
between
every
page
load,
their
IP
should
be
static
for
the
entire
duration
of
their
connectionif
their
IP
shifted
randomly
throughout
their
internet
session
it
would
make
virtually
any
internet
usage
impossible.
As
I
said,
they're
welcome
to
email
with
their
IP
address
when
they
start
their
internet
connection
up
in
the
morning,
as
I
take
it
they
shut
it
down
overnight,
and
I'll
open
up
the
firewall
for
them.
There's
absolutely
no
way
we
can
open
up
the
firewall
to
all
traffic
for
an
extended
period,
as
it
would
put
both
your
site
and
other
client
sites
at
risk.
Thanks,
BobForwarded
message
from
support@enroleverywhere.comDate:
Wed,
04
Jun
2008
14:05:06
-0700
From:
"enroleverywhere.com"
Reply-To:
"enroleverywhere.com"
Subject:
Re:
Fwd:
Re:
maggiescosmetics.comon-site
optimization
instructions
To:
info@maggiescosmetics.com
Hi
Margaret,
Although
we
appreciate
bob's
opinion
on
the
matter,
but
he
is
completely
mistaken.
The
whole
point
of
a
DYNAMIC
IP
is
you
simply
don't
know
for
how
long
the
IP
will
remain
in
place.
It
can
change
with
a
simple
refresh
as
we
explained.
Our
network
runs
on
6
different
DYNAMIC
IP
addresses
as
such
there
is
no
guarantee
whatsoever
they
will
remain
in
place
by
the
time
they
add
our
IP
to
their
firewall.
Please
note,
we
tried
this
system
twice
already
and
our
IP
address
had
changed
both
times
they
added
it
to
the
firewall.
For
the
most
part
they
just
need
to
copy
and
paste.
It
should
take
no
more
than
45
minutes
to
complete
our
instructions.
Sincerely,
Customer
Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.com
Hi
Margaret,
Unfortunately,
he's
mistaken
about
my
being
mistakenI
spent
three
years
developing
thin-client
trading
software
and
architecting
networks
for
the
financial
industrythe
only
possible
scenario
that
would
describe
his
situation
would
be
if
he's
on
a
pooled
connection
with
some
kind
of
outgoing
round
robin
DNS,
although
such
a
setup
would
be
extremely
improbable.
If
he
has
6
dynamic
IPs,
it's
absolutely
not
a
problem
for
me
to
add
each
of
them
to
the
apf
setupalso,
if
there's
a
specific
netblock
his
IPs
will
lie
within,
I
can
add
that
if
he
can
provide
it
in
CIDR
notation.
Thanks,
Bob
Hi
Bob
This
is
the
response
I
got:
"This
morning
just
on
the
machine
I
am
on
alone
the
DYNAMIC
(not
static)
IP
address
has
changed
3
times..."
I
can't
see
an
end
to
this
situation!
Margaret
Hi
Margaret,
I
can
send
him
an
archive
of
the
complete
site
structure,
which
he
can
then
amend,
re-archive,
and
I'll
upload,
if
that
suits
him.
BobHi
Margaret,If
you
recall,
we
already
tried
giving
it
to
them
on
2
differentoccasions.
Download
is
not
possible
because
our
IP
is
changing.
Each
time,
bythe
time
they
added
it
to
the
firewall
our
IP
address
had
changed.
So
weare
confused
as
to
the
disbelief
on
dynamic
IP
addresses
and
how
theywork...
Sincerely,
Customer
Support
http://www.enroleverywhere.com
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@AbbydonKrafts said:
GAHH!! My eyes!!! TL;DNR!
I did a view source to view it with the supposed line breaks, and it's not much better. gets boring pretty quickly.
lern2<br>
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@ab2283 said:
mewin! the software is detecting the html tags in the text block (>) and switches to html mode, meaning line ends get screwed/are ignored. using pre tags helps.
You lose. Learn to use the editor.
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I seriously doubt that there is a great deal to SEO that couldn't be achieved by any webdeveloper with just a little bit of reading, so I'm already suspicious of people who claim to be SEO experts.
But seriously, if you're going to claim to be an expert on any sort of web technology, you should at least have the faintest clue about how TCP/IP works.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
You lose. Learn to use the editor.
Oh really? looks like the only readable version on this page to me...
[img]http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1456/meckoy4.png[/img]
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@ab2283 said:
Oh really? looks like the only readable version on this page to me...
And you failed copying and pasting. That is excellent.
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What's your issue?
Below my last message is a screenshot of my original post with readable text.
I think you really should read properly before making a fool out of yourself while trying to make fun out of other people.
Thanks for nothing.
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@ab2283 said:
What's your issue?
How about people who complain about the forum software when the issue is a PEBKAC?
That would be my issue.
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Now where exactly did you see me complain about the forum software?
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@ab2283 said:
Below my last message is a screenshot of my original post with readable text.
Except for the part where the long lines go out to the right, without the ability to scroll. Also, you must've edited that post before you took a screenshot, because it originally looked worse than that.
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bstorer: That's interesting. Now the first line's too long for me as well; it wasn't before. Something else on the page must messing with that text's rendering.
Oh and nope, I didn't edit the post before taking the screenshot.
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I'll just interject and apologize for my poorly formatted original which seems to have sparked the above flamewar - but there isn't an 'editor' in Safari at all - just a text box that doesn't specify its input (bbcode/html/plaintext etc.)
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@vonNeumann said:
The forum software is the real wtf... FFS.
Seems like you got the famous 'tinyMCE' error I get every once in a while. If you can't see the editor, you're typing in raw HTML, and it will show up as a fugly hunk of text with no line breaks. Ugh!Just reload, and reload, and reload ... untill the actual thing works as it should.
TRWTF is Javascript.
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I'm just seeing a textbox as well, using Opera 9.5. I suppose it isn't supported....
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@ab2283 said:
bstorer:
Learn to use the goddamned forum software.
@ab2283 said:
Now the first line's too long for me as well; it wasn't before. Something else on the page must messing with that text's rendering.
Maybe just maybe the Aliens are trying to warn us about a future Nuclear disaster or it could be the Medicine Stones that brought about this display? A warning for all to see. Or it might just be that you are a n00b who can't work the forum editor.
@ab2283 said:
Oh and nope, I didn't edit the post before taking the screenshot.
Yes, you did. Your post was incorrectly formatted before. Many of us saw it independently. You went back and edited it. Stop being a lying douchebag.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Yes, you did. Your post was incorrectly formatted before. Many of us saw it independently. You went back and edited it. Stop being a lying douchebag.
Good. I'm glad to see I wasn't imagining things.
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@ab2283 said:
I'm just seeing a textbox as well, using Opera 9.5. I suppose it isn't supported....
Here's a nickel: buy
a better browsera single bullet and drive it into your skull with a hammer.FTFM.
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@morbiuswilters said:
Please, oh please, is it possible to bring Occam's Razor to this fora? Is it truly possible that only two users are able to use the forum software without problems because of their abilities?@ab2283 said:
bstorer:
Learn to use the goddamned forum software.
I've done as much as six reloads at one time, and all of them gave me the dreaded 'tinyMCE not defined' Javascript error. This is on different PC's, so it isn't the clientside configuration. There's something wrong with the forum software, maybe some browsers can handle it, some others might not handle them. Get it?
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@ab2283 said:
I'm just seeing a textbox as well, using Opera 9.5. I suppose it isn't supported....
You could always use a real browser.
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@danixdefcon5 said:
There's something wrong with the forum software
Nope. Works fine for everyone else.
@danixdefcon5 said:
maybe some browsers can handle it, some others might not handle them. Get it?
Or perhaps you need to get a real browser.
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@danixdefcon5 said:
Please, oh please, is it possible to bring Occam's Razor to this fora? Is it truly possible that only two users are able to use the forum software without problems because of their abilities?
I've done as much as six reloads at one time, and all of them gave me the dreaded 'tinyMCE not defined' Javascript error. This is on different PC's, so it isn't the clientside configuration. There's something wrong with the forum software, maybe some browsers can handle it, some others might not handle them. Get it?
What browser are you using? Also, what is your connection speed? Finally, are you clicking anything on the page before you wait for it to load? TinyMCE is a very good package and is used in tons of web software. Obviously, given the nature of what it tries to do, it is not perfect.
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@morbiuswilters said:
What browser are you using? Also, what is your connection speed? Finally, are you clicking anything on the page before you wait for it to load?
http://www.speedtest.net/result/281875862.png
That's at work, with IE6. At home, same IE6 with 1Mbps (1024 Kbit/s).
@morbiuswilters said:
TinyMCE is a very good package and is used in tons of web software. Obviously, given the nature of what it tries to do, it is not perfect.
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I don't get why you people have to go crazy about this.
I signed up just for this, because I thought I could help by posting a readable copy. Now I'm a 'lying douchebag'?
Wow, that's mature and shows how professional you really are. If you're really keen on learning The Truth ™ - ask the admin for a changelog.
Maybe I am a lying douchebag. It might be possible I get a kick out of it... who knows?
Maybe you need an editor with builtin arrogance detection.
Anyway, you managed to get rid of me in a few hours. Congratulations! I'm sure the TDWTF Forums will be a better place without me.
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@danixdefcon5 said:
It might be how the page's loaded, as sometimes Javascript tends to load in awkward ways if the page is big enough.
Don't worry, the pages on the forum are plenty big. We've seen to that.
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@ab2283 said:
Anyway, you managed to get rid of me in a few hours. Congratulations!
Shit, normally the idiots stay around and argue for a few weeks before going home to cry. Maybe our skills are sharper now.
@ab2283 said:
I'm sure the TDWTF Forums will be a better place without me.
QFT.
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OMFG, all of you suck, I can't believe you all use the standard html editor instead of typing in binary, piping the output to your favorite notepad.exe application, and then printing it to a file printer which will then use image scanning software to get text and paste it into your text-based web browser. What is wrong with you all?
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@dlikhten said:
OMFG, all of you suck, I can't believe you all use the standard html editor instead of making horribly humorless posts with no concept of spelling, grammar or punctuation.
FTFY.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@ab2283 said:
I am a lying douchebag
Agreed.
Epimenides said "all douchebags are liars."
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@jaykay said:
Yeah, well, thanks for that. I believe it was Archimedes who said, "Nobody fucking cares." Or maybe it was Plato.@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@ab2283 said:
I am a lying douchebag
Agreed.
Epimenides said "all douchebags are liars."
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Another thread killed by the
troll squadforum police. Thank you very much.As for the e-mails, it looks like the SEOs have no idea how TCP works. Which does make this a WTF, even if it's not a rare one. As for dynamic IPs, didn't AOL empoy some kind of nightmare technique called "rotating proxy" a few aears ago that would ACTUALLY assign a different IP adress for each TCP connection? I might be wrong though.
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39 replies.
1 comment on OP
38 comments bitching and moaning about forum software and copy-pasting practices.
FAIL.
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@DOA said:
I see you haven't counted your own post in the bitching and moaning category.39 replies.
1 comment on OP
38 comments bitching and moaning about forum software and copy-pasting practices.
FAIL.
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@DOA said:
39 replies.
1 comment on OP
38 comments bitching and moaning about forum software and copy-pasting practices.
FAIL.
make that 39. whoops 40
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@PSWorx said:
Another thread killed by the
troll squadforum police. Thank you very much.Actually, I believe it was killed by the various walls of text the OP posted, and his insistence it was the forum's fault.
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@MasterPlanSoftware said:
@PSWorx said:
Another thread killed by the
troll squadforum police. Thank you very much.Actually, I believe it was killed by the various walls of text the OP posted, and his insistence it was the forum's fault.
Also by you being a relentless dick.
I suppose we should be used to that by now.
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@Zylon said:
Also by you being a relentless dick.
Why, because I defended the editor?
I would say it is because we had two idiots who decided to tell us all about how they cannot figure out how to use a simple editor on a forum.
@Zylon said:
I suppose we should be used to that by now.
Probably. Just like we should be used to idiots coming in at the end of a thread to explain to us all what I did wrong.
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@PSWorx said:
Another thread killed by the
troll squadforum police. Thank you very much.The real WTF is the forum software after all. It fails to let me block those less insightful posters.
Actually, the subject of the original post was also a WTF (once I was able to read it). Some one skilled in modifying web sites ought to know more about IP address allocation. But I don't think I'd want them mucking around in my html anyway, so blocking access is a good thing.
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@PSWorx said:
Heh. Damn I was lured by the trolling. Yes, in fact I laughed when I actually read the (correctly formatted) WTF: these SEO's had no idea of what could be going wrong. It isn't DHCP, of course, but my explanation would be simple: they've got one of those "round-robin" balanced gateways.Another thread killed by the
troll squadforum police. Thank you very much.As for the e-mails, it looks like the SEOs have no idea how TCP works. Which does make this a WTF, even if it's not a rare one. As for dynamic IPs, didn't AOL empoy some kind of nightmare technique called "rotating proxy" a few aears ago that would ACTUALLY assign a different IP adress for each TCP connection? I might be wrong though.
They mentioned outright that they have six dynamic IPs. Their problem isn't that the six IPs switch every time they refresh, the problem is that every time they initiate a connection, the router sends it from a different IP at the external interface level, which wouldn't matter if everyone had a public routeable IP address. However, if they use NAT, and said NAT is implemented in the same "round-robin router", this means all requests are coming from different IPs.
I once tried to implement something like this, and ended up with a worse situation ... the round-robin did its "balancing" at the packet level, without taking in mind TCP states. So I ended up with a lot of NAT errors in the gateway, and finally opted to throw away the "round-robin" solution.