Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?
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@asdf That's funny, that list you posted only mentions one version of Windows, and that's a version still receiving full support. Where's the SDK for Windows 2000? Or 95? Or 3.11 for Workgroups?
Also, how is a C++ toolchain meant to work without an SDK? Something needs to provide the header files and libraries that make it possible to actually compile a useful program.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
That's funny, that list you posted only mentions one version of Windows, and that's a version still receiving full support. Where's the SDK for Windows 2000? Or 95? Or 3.11 for Workgroups?
By the same logic, the Linux audio stack is completely fine because it's only pulsaudio layered onto ALSA layered onto whatever the kernel provides (possibly including several round-trips between ALSA and pulseaudio), but doesn't necessarily include OSS and JACK as well.
Also, how is a C++ toolchain meant to work without an SDK? Something needs to provide the header files and libraries that make it possible to actually compile a useful program.
Sorry, are you deliberately trying not to understand the problem here? All I want to do is compile a C++ program for Windows 10 using Visual Studio. I don't need three different Windows 8.1 SDKs for that. I have no choice but to install loads of shit I'll never need to perform a simple task.
Even the buggy shitpile that Apple calls XCode lets you choose which SDKs for which OS versions you want to install. There is no excuse for this, none whatsoever.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Shit, I thought you of all people would understand my anger about multiple gigabytes of completely retarded dependencies, but apparently it's okay because it's Microsoft this time.
Except they're just files sitting on the disk. They don't do anything. They're just there.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
the Linux audio stack
Is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Sorry, are you deliberately trying not to understand the problem here?
What's the problem? A few hundred files that don't take up much space and just sit there doing nothing a real burden for you? Honestly, if that's your biggest concern, count yourself lucky; the rest of us have real issues to deal with. For instance, I'm trying to decide whether I want to watch a DVD or Netflix right now.
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Even the buggy shitpile that Apple calls XCode lets you choose which SDKs for which OS versions you want to install. There is no excuse for this, none whatsoever.
The Windows 8.1 SDK allows you to build software for all versions of Windows from XP to 10, and for the server versions of the same. That's the thing with the Windows SDK: you only need one.
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What's this? @blakeyrat and @RaceProUK (almost kinda somewhat) agreeing on something?
Hold on, let me check if the large hadron collider is still working.... Huh.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
What's this? @blakeyrat and @RaceProUK (almost kinda somewhat) agreeing on something?
It happens more often than you think. Personal opinions aside, the guy does speak a lot of sense.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
The Windows 8.1 SDK allows you to build software for all versions of Windows from XP to 10, and for the server versions of the same. That's the thing with the Windows SDK: you only need one.
Doesn't allow targeting of Win10 Universal though
Yes, one. The most current one. 8.1 isn't.
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@lucas1 said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Using Amazon's free tier and Digital Ocean for my smaller projects it just works.
Amazon's pay-for tiers are very nice. We use them for quite a few services because of just how easy it is to get exactly what they say you'll get. They're the Ronseal of cloud providers.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
What's the problem? A few hundred files that don't take up much space and just sit there doing nothing a real burden for you?
I have to wait for them to download, they're clutter in my "installed programs" list and they take up disk space and make my image backups larger, which means less backups fit on my external disks. All of which is annoying.
@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
The Windows 8.1 SDK allows you to build software for all versions of Windows from XP to 10, and for the server versions of the same. That's the thing with the Windows SDK: you only need one.
Then why the fuck does VS install both the Windows 10 SDK and the Windows 8.1 SDK?
@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Honestly, if that's your biggest concern, count yourself lucky
This whole website exists to point out stupid shit. This is stupid shit.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I have to wait for them to download
Are you on a 28k modem or something?
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
they're clutter in my "installed programs" list
Diddums.
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
make my image backups larger, which means less backups fit on my external disks.
Buy bigger disks.
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Windows 10 SDK
Isn't on the list you posted, and isn't on the list you linked to.
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
This whole website exists to point out stupid shit. This is stupid shit.
TIL installing an SDK with a compiler toolchain is 'stupid shit'. But then that doesn't surprise me, since yesterday people tried to convince me I was a lying moron for saying you need an SDK to develop software.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
What's this? @blakeyrat and @RaceProUK (almost kinda somewhat) agreeing on something?
Blakeyalt 3 confirmed.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
TIL installing an SDK with a compiler toolchain is 'stupid shit'.
You still don't get it, do you? Installing the current SDK is fine. Installing the SDK for the previous version by default? Maybe as well. Forcing me to install the SDK for the previous version as well? That's stupid shit, yes.
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@asdf I can't wait to hear how you're able to make Windows software without an SDK
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I can't wait to hear how you're able to make Windows software without an SDK
Seriously, your trolling isn't even funny anymore. Stop pretending not to understand what I'm saying.
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@asdf Oh, I totally understand what you're saying. I just don't see why you're kicking up such a stink over it.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I just don't see why you're kicking up such a stink over it.
Because it's idiotic and user-hostile and could easily be fixed with a little effort. That's why.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
user-hostile
It's as hostile as giving someone a cup of tea!
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@RaceProUK Give me your address and I'll gladly deliver three 50 gallon cups of stale tea to your house. Let's see if you like it then.
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@asdf If I need to boost the tomato harvest, I'll take you up on that ;)
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
It's as hostile as giving someone a cup of tea!
Beware! Beware the bearer of the cup of tea! Before you know it, they'll bring the easy chair and comfortable shoes!
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@asdf You should sweeten the deal and send some sugar-free Haribo too.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@asdf If I need to boost the tomato harvest, I'll take you up on that ;)
Microsoft is delivering the proverbial tea to everybody. Including people without gardens.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
If I need to boost the tomato harvest, I'll take you up on that
Did I forget to mention that you need to keep those cups in your living room to make your TV work?
I'm starting to like this analogy...
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@loopback0 said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@asdf You should sweeten the deal and send some sugar-free Haribo too.
YES DO IT
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@Captain said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Including people without gardens.
They can use it for their pot plants then
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Did I forget to mention that you need to keep those cups in your living room to make your TV work?
That's one weird-ass TV if you need to power it with stale tea; think I'll stick with the one I already have that runs on electricity.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@Captain said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Including people without gardens.
They can use it for their pot plants then
How are you still alive? Autism + willful stupidity is a horrible thing.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
That's one weird-ass TV if you need to power it with stale tea; think I'll stick with the one I already have that runs on electricity.
Ha! I got you to admit that Visual Studio is stupid and people should use something else via the analogy! Triumph at last! ๏
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@Captain I choose to run with the analogy, and that is your response?
Not cool.
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@RaceProUK Do you have people who look after you? I need to check your meter.
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I choose to run with the analogy
It was you who made that analogy up. How long is your attention span?
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
you need to keep those cups in your living room to make your TV work?
I have to pay to watch it and now I need to keep cups near it?
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@Captain OK, now you're just getting offensive.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
It was you who made that analogy up.
Yes, and I ran with it. I fail to see why that's unusual.
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@loopback0 said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I have to pay to watch it and now I need to keep cups near it?
And according to @RaceProFreeTeaCups, that's totally reasonable and you should be grateful for that!
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@Captain OK, now you're just getting offensive.
Diddums...
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All this back and forth about a few gigs of SDK material?
FFS, if I remember correctly to build an app that covers most of the Android userbase, I need approximately 10+ Gb of SDK sources, more if I plan on launching any emulators, a little less if I'm not planning on using any low-level stuff (I think).
But I'll concede a point: If I want to alienate all the users still stuck on anything less than Marshmallow, I could stick with a single SDK and retrieve only the latest version clocking in about 200 Mb (If I'm reading the repository description XML correctly).
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
If I want to alienate all the users still stuck on anything less than Marshmallow, I could stick with a single SDK
Um... All you need is the latest SDK and the compat library. If you're downloading all the SDKs for all Android versions, you're .
The Android SDK manager is worse than the Visual Studio installer, though, that's correct.
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Hey guys.
We might be using the correct Docker way of doing things soon. Which might* mean 0 second downtime.
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@blakeyrat said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I ask a question like, "how do you map a TV tuner/FM radio PCI card to a file?
You dumb shit, this has been answered a bunch of times. You seem to be incapable of reading the answer.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@Magus said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
OK, I just downloaded it and checked C++.
I still see a lot of shit in that list that I don't want.
Great, now do
apt-get install build-essentials
. then tell us how much shit got installed that you don't want. not trolling, I really want to know.
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@NedFodder said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@Magus said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
OK, I just downloaded it and checked C++.
I still see a lot of shit in that list that I don't want.
Great, now do
apt-get install build-essentials
. then tell us how much shit got installed that you don't want. not trolling, I really want to know.I'd be very surprised if that installed a database server or an IDE or a cloud hosting API.
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@NedFodder said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Great, now do
apt-get install build-essentials
. then tell us how much shit got installed that you don't want. not trolling, I really want to know.Not a lot, really. One stand out is the hurd-dev package. Otherwise, it's dkpg-dev, gcc, g++, make, and some libc packages. dpkg-dev does depend on a full, working Debian install (e.g. Perl and probably Python but I haven't looked in a while).
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@Captain http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/dpkg-dev
base-files, binutils, bzip2, libdpkg-perl, make, patch, xz-utils
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@Captain said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Perl and probably Python
just what every C++ developer needs!
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@NedFodder said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
@Captain said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Perl and probably Python
just what every C++ developer needs!
perl is required for a lot of compiler related tools, and python is not included.
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@apapadimoulis said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
Bit fiddling, in JavaScript? How?
Not. That's why they use a native library (written in C), not a JS module.
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@dkf Actually the tin contains a label with the words "Ronseal Quick Drying Woodstain" on it, and not Ronseal Quick Drying Woodstain.
Filed under The Treachery of Images
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@RaceProUK said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
I can't wait to hear how you're able to make Windows software without an SDK
The .Net Framework client install comes with VB.Net and C# compilers (as well as an IL ASM compiler). You can look up the APIs you want on the MSDN website.
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@asdf said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
with a little effort.
For all we know, that might not be true. Perhaps there be dragons in the installer.
I've mentioned this before--my company's quite complex build module & installer was developed at least 16 years ago and more or less not touched since, and everyone but me is afraid to make changes.
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Is "deploying to Docker containers" now a thing?:
But I'll concede a point: If I want to alienate all the users still stuck on anything less than Marshmallow, I could stick with a single SDK and retrieve only the latest version clocking in about 200 Mb (If I'm reading the repository description XML correctly).
Actually, you could do the opposite and use an old SDK.