Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?
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Some background: the "VirtualBox extension pack" is essentially a piece of VirtualBox that implements extra functionality, and has a different license than the rest of VirtualBox (can't be used for commercial purposes), so it's distributed and updated separately from VirtualBox.
Oh look, an update. Not exactly unexpected since I just updated VirtualBox and the two components are always updated together. Yes, download.
Um, yes? It's not like there's any other website I can download it from. What a stupid question. Again, download.
what else am I supposed to do with a VirtualBox extension pack? Eat it for lunch? Of course I want to install it! INSTALL THE DAMN THING ALREADY
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Installing... Directory already exists, are you sure you want to continue?
And ?
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@anonymous234 wow, they're really trying to make sure nobody upgrades it by mistake. Does the upgrade break someone's workflow or something?
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PS C:\> choco upgrade -y virtualbox virtualbox.extensionpack
or to install initially
PS C:\> choco install -y virtualbox virtualbox.extensionpack
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I wonder how a annoying the dialogs would be if the same developer made some nuclear missile launching GUI.
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@accalia said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
chocolatey FTW
Virtualbox is the same on not-Windows.
The whole thing is just an unfortunate combination of the "update available" and "install extension pack" workflows. I can see how the latter makes sense, it just seems annoying when combined together.
As Virtualbox isn't based on JS and isn't a browser, then the updates aren't every 17 minutes so it's not a massive problem anyway..
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@loopback0 said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
Virtualbox is the same on not-Windows.
s/chocolately/apt-get/
then
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@accalia Neither of them work on OSX.
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@loopback0 said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
@accalia Neither of them work on OSX.
then you're .
OSX is teh evil
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@anonymous234 Is this running on Windows? (It looks like it from the buttons and font.) Because if so, those dialog boxes are hilariously incorrect. Like "designed by an alien who had Windows briefly described to him over a 1986 cellphone" incorrect.
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@anotherusername said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
Does the upgrade break someone's workflow or something?
An upgrade always breaks someone's workflow. If you're really good, it breaks everyone's workflow.
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@fbmac said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
I wonder how a annoying the dialogs would be if the same developer made some nuclear missile launching GUI.
No, for that one it would be "We sensed your finger near the button so we fired the rockets for you"
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@blakeyrat
I am sorry, maybe the language is getting in the way here. But in what way are they 'incorrect'?- Overly long, yeah.
- Mostly useless, totally
- incorrect, I dunno
Filed Under: Unless you were exagerating to make a point... in which case I probably 'd
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@Kuro said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
But in what way are they 'incorrect'?
They're incorrect insofar as they don't adhere to the Windows standard conventions for message boxes; given they're questions, the buttons should read 'Yes' and 'No'
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@RaceProUK ugh. no. Just because it's a Windows anti-pattern doesn't mean it's "right".
I think he was talking about the flat window design. Looks like Windows 10 or something?
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@anotherusername The questions on each one of those message boxes are Yes/No questions. So why label the buttons any other way?
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@RaceProUK I'm not convinced (but don't care enough to check) that's a standard even Windows itself follows properly.
Also VirtualBox isn't Windows-only software.
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@RaceProUK because the questions are long and by the time you've finished reading them, you may need to re-read it to figure out which is "yes" and which is "no".
Very concise, descriptively labeled buttons are better.
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The buttons are centered (which-- has ANY OS IN HISTORY used centered dialog buttons? Maybe some mutant Linux UI?)
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The button captions are wrong
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There's a weird mutant question mark in the title bar, which isn't so bad, but still.
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The title of the dialog is "Question", which is fucking useless. (Ideally, the title of the dialog box should be a question that the action buttons at the answer. For example, title: "Save a Copy?" Action buttons "Yes, No".
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The copy is atrocious. Do you really need the size of the file TO THE BYTE? Do you really need a URL and a local file path to ask a yes or no question involving installation?
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The local path where the file is saved isn't the user's Download folder; it's in a folder which starts with a period, which aren't invisible in Windows-- in fact the period has no meaning at all in Windows except to signal, "some lazy fucker dumbshit 'ported' this software from Linux and did an ass job of it". (It just occurred to me that this is probably a potential local DoS, as it's likely the user folder would be redirected to a network drive with a strict quota whereas the Downloads folder would not.)
... I could probably find more problems if I spent more time on it, but whatever. You get the point.
The more troubling thing to me is that there's software developers in this world who need to ask the question. Aren't they blatantly obviously wrong? Am I crazy here?
... to be fair to Oracle, that actually seemed to spend a bit of time ensuring the copy doesn't have any grammatical errors, which pathetic as it is mildly impresses me.
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@anotherusername said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
because the questions are long and by the time you've finished reading them, you may need to re-read it to figure out which is "yes" and which is "no".
Then the question is too long and should be shortened.
For instance, the first box could ask "There's a new version of X. Do you want to download it?". The second can be "Are you sure you wish to download X?" The third can be "X has been downloaded. Install now?" And the fourth can cut everything after the first line. Then you'd have four short, simple questions that are all Yes/No questions.
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@RaceProUK If the dialog title caption were correct, then the copy in the dialog itself would probably be ok.
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@RaceProUK there's still always the possibility that someone brain farts and reads the exact opposite of what you wrote.
If the button says what it actually does, that's less likely.
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@blakeyrat said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
The buttons are centered (which-- has ANY OS IN HISTORY used centered dialog buttons? Maybe some mutant Linux UI?)
Pretty sure I remember them that way. But we're probably talking Win3.x. Either that or a lot of programs did that then.
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@dcon Are we talking dialogs or message boxes? Dialogs have the buttons bottom-right, but message boxes have them centred. And since the images in the OP are of message boxes, it's correct that the buttons are centred.
Edit: Hmm⦠judging by the screenshot @anotherusername posted below, it seems the convention has changed? Eh, it's not like MS stick to their own conventions anyway.
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@RaceProUK said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
@dcon Are we talking dialogs or message boxes? Dialogs have the buttons bottom-right, but message boxes have them centred. And since the images in the OP are of message boxes, it's correct that the buttons are centred.
Pretty sure I remember dialogs being that way too. (And those dialog above are more complex the Windows standard MessageBox) But as I said, it was a long time ago...
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@blakeyrat said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
The buttons are centered (which-- has ANY OS IN HISTORY used centered dialog buttons? Maybe some mutant Linux UI?)
Just a minute, let me ask VBScript...
Anybody want to add their favorite version? 10? 8? 3.11?
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On the topic of Virtualbox - here's the "there's an update for Virtualbox itself" dialog box.
OK dismisses the dialog, clicking the link downloads it using my browser and then I have to run the install as if I'd just downloaded it afresh.
It's not even consistent with the extension dialog boxes
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@anotherusername said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
If the button says what it actually does, that's less likely.
Not to mention that it can remove the need to read the question at all by just looking at the buttons.
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@Gurth while I would not recommend this, at least you minimize the likely amount of damage done.
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@anonymous234 This pleases us. :D
I am a new member of the I-Hate-Oracle club, but I feel that hatred is going to rocket up to the top of my list if I stay with this company for a few more years =_=
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@Vaire said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
I am a new member of the I-Hate-Oracle club
No, everyone is a member. It's just that many people don't realise this yet.
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@dkf so it's like playing the Game?
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@anotherusername Not for a dialog or alert you didnβt expect. OTOH, if one opens when you do expect it to, having buttons say what they do instead of Yes/No/OK/Cancel, the buttons alone will tell you if youβre actually looking at the dialog you thought would open or not. If not, then you obviously read the actual question.
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@blakeyrat said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
There's a weird mutant question mark in the title bar, which isn't so bad, but still.
Hmmmm.... I wonder if that's a horrible "Hit '?' for Help" mutant hyperlink / button? I've seen that on other dialogs from other equally shitty vendors.
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@skotl said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
I wonder if that's a horrible "Hit '?' for Help" mutant hyperlink / button?
It is but it doesn't do anything except change the cursor into no matter where the mouse is over the dialog box.
(JPEG artifacts conveniently added by Windows Steps Recorder)
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@dkf said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
@Vaire said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
I am a new member of the I-Hate-Oracle club
No, everyone is a member. It's just that many people don't realise this yet.
What, even Larry Ellison?
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@PleegWat
I bet he just has a million dollar case of denial
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@Jaloopa said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
the Game?
FFS, really? And I had just passed the five month mark too!
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@Tsaukpaetra I didn't think it through. Every upvote notification makes me lose again
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@blakeyrat said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
The copy is atrocious
Quite so. It could do with a bit of simplifying. Perhaps something like
We need to take care of a few things.
Do it now or later?
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@RaceProUK said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
They're incorrect insofar as they don't adhere to the Windows standard conventions for message boxes; given they're questions, the buttons should read 'Yes' and 'No'
The pics are fine. The official guidelines has this:
One of the following sets of concise commands: Yes/No, Yes/No/Cancel, [Do it]/Cancel, [Do it]/[Don't do it], [Do it]/[Don't do it]/Cancel.
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@sloosecannon said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
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Sure it can. Just ask the poster child for that, @fbmac.
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@FrostCat said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
@sloosecannon said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
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Sure it can. Just ask the poster child for that, @fbmac.
Yeah, see, but that's not fully undone. We can still see that @fbmac intended to post something and decided better of it...
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
@Jaloopa said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
the Game?
FFS, really? And I had just passed the five month mark too!
If you lost The Game, you have to dance :D
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@Vaire said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
you have to dance
I don't remember that particular rule clause...
Eh, what the heck!
Filed under: Huh... Why are there no male dancers?
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@Tsaukpaetra said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
@Vaire said in Are you *really* sure you want to install this update?:
you have to dance
I don't remember that particular rule clause...
Eh, what the heck!
Filed under: Huh... Why are there no male dancers?
Because nobody wants to see dudes dancing. NOBODY. =_=
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@Tsaukpaetra FFS, don't encourage the damned Unicode consortium, the way they are going half of the standard will soon be made purely out of emoji. Also, we'll have to download the image representations in service packs or something because most users' connections won't be able to handle 7GB of images present in a typical Facebook post.