The Official Woody Woodpecker Thread
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Expired driver's licenses serve a legitimate purpose to make sure that people who are no longer capable of actually driving safely are not allowed to drive
In a roundabout way. We have medical examinations, and those are maintained in the DMV's database. Every cop can see my status. I've already renewed my medical examination, but I have to get a new license card.
Spontaneously losing US citizenship is not common.
It's not common here either but passports generally last 10 years, less for kids and young adults, more for seniors.
Citizen IDs are 5 years. I guess it isn't due to risk of becoming a dangerous citizen when you grow older...
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I know when I go, they have me down on their printed list. I show them my drivers license and tell them my address. I guess that's like asking kids about their fake IDs.
Do I understand correctly it will only prevent you from voting a second time in the same station?
Or are you only allowed to go to some assigned polling station based on your address (which then renders previous question moot)?
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Do I understand correctly it will only prevent you from voting a second time in the same station?Or are you only allowed to go to some assigned polling station based on your address (which then renders previous question moot)?
You're usually assigned a particular voting place in your home neighborhood. It's possible that other states do it differently, but that's all I've ever heard of.
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Or are you only allowed to go to some assigned polling station based on your address (which then renders previous question moot)?
Where I live, early voting can be done anywhere, but your voting district is attached to your profile so they only give you bills and elections you're eligible for, and presumably if you try to do it multiple times they'll check between then and voting day. Then, on voting day, your only option is to go to the voting location for your district, where they have the printed out list and they either check your name or have you sign next to it.
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Spontaneously losing US citizenship is not common.
Are you fucking high? They are not being turned away at the voting booths because they are old. They are being turned away because they don't have any ID that fits the criteria, ID that any person can get.
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Are you fucking high? They are not being turned away at the voting booths because they are old. They are being turned away because they don't have any ID that fits the criteria, ID that any person can get.
Are you? They're being turned away because their ID expired. As if somehow they lost US citizenship at some point in the past few years.
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They're being turned away because their ID expired. As if somehow they lost US citizenship at some point in the past few years.
So what? There are lots of people who have valid IDs, are citizens, and can't vote. What's your point?
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What's your point?
This, basically.
@Polygeekery said:There are lots of people who have valid IDs, are citizens, and can't vote.
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You still don't have a point. Most prisoners can't vote, but are still citizens. Those under 18 can't vote, still have IDs, are still citizens. In some states anyone with a felony conviction can't vote, has an ID and is still a citizen.
These are not unreasonable restrictions to just require an ID at the poll. They are given away for free in almost all jurisdictions. If not, they are super low cost. If you are too stupid to figure out how to get an ID, you probably should not be voting anyway.
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These are not unreasonable restrictions to just require an ID at the poll.
The problem is that
valid IDs
are being denied because they're not "valid" enough.
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are being denied because they're not "valid" enough.
No, they are being denied because they do not have the proper information on them. They require address. So they can make sure you are voting in the proper district.
If I walk in to a liquor store with a valid federal or state ID, that does not have my birthday on it, they don't have to just take my word that I am old enough.
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Their own fucking records?
Such as?
And, just how long do you think that the poll workers should spend, on each individual voter, on election day, in order to verify shit that those people could have done by just going and getting a valid ID?
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Such as?
Local, state, and/or federal databases?
And, just how long do you think that the poll workers should spend, on each individual voter, on election day, in order to verify shit that those people could have done by just going and getting a valid ID?
Checking a database is a hell of a lot faster than driving an hour each way so you can wait in line for two hours. And they already spend about that much time just verifying their ID at all.
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Gotcha. So every voter should be verified, at the poll, on election day, in a process that will take a minute or two, or maybe hours if the systems crash from load.
Orrrrrrr, and this is crazy talk, maybe just have everyone verify ahead of time. They could do it at any point over the course of several years. Spread the load out from one 16 hour period to "whenever the fuck you feel like doing it". After they are verified, give them a card that allows them to vote...
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a minute or two
I'm not a DBA, but I'm fairly certain I haven't had any process for a lookup of a single entry from a database take more than five seconds since the days of dial-up, and that was probably more due to the bandwidth to receive the response than anything.
several years
Where the hell do you live that your voter registration is valid for more than two years?
this is crazy talk, maybe just have everyone verify ahead of time. They could do it at any point over the course of several years.
And this is crazy talk, maybe just have everyone verify their identity ahead of time, and use the aforementioned databases to verify eligibility at the registration place or before mailing out the
card that allows them to vote
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I'm not a DBA, but I'm fairly certain I haven't had any process for a lookup of a single entry from a database take more than five seconds since the days of dial-up, and that was probably more due to the bandwidth to receive the response than anything.
healthcare.gov
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healthcare.gov
Ah, right, I'd forgotten about that.
Still, if they just did this:
maybe just have everyone verify their identity ahead of time, and use the aforementioned databases to verify eligibility at the registration place or before mailing out the card that allows them to vote
instead of requiring that the identity verification component also double as eligibility verification, the problems faced by healthcare.gov would be less likely. Especially if the process were handled by the government office that deals with mailing out the cards so that there is no chance of the system being flooded.
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because their ID expired
Why do you think the ID has expiry date? What purpose does it serve if you suppose expired IDs should still be accepted?
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Why do you think the ID has expiry date?
I actually don't know. Considering you are legally required to update your residency status and all that jazz if it ever changes, I have no idea why regular identification cards expire. Driver's licenses, sure, but not ID cards.
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The first question was more of a rhetorical one, I was more interested in the second one, but okay, let's think why they have expiration date on IDs.
I think the idea is the same as with driver's licenses - to force you to update it once every X years so that the person who uses your ID to verify you knows the information on it is at most X years old. With driver's licences it's certainly more important, but it makes sense to require renewing of your other IDs periodically. I mean, who knows, you might have changed your sex during those 5 years... OH SHIT, wrong thread!
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Sex is immutable. You meant gender. ;)
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you might have changed your sex during those 5 years
you are legally required to update your residency status and all that jazz if it ever changes
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Damn, I mean I thought about which one was correct before posting, but couldn't remember.
So I tried to think logically - if you perform SRS, what does that first S stand for?
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you are legally required
I am legally required not to steal but all the shops around here have locks anyway.
If this is too subtle: it sometimes makes sense to encourage or force someone to comply with the laws and make it harder to not comply instead of just waiting for them to break said laws and prosecute them afterwards.
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Is it 16:15 already?
It's 5:15.
In implying that they were not wrong, you supported them.
So it's either with us or against us, now?
Veterans trying to vote with their veteran ID card are told to fuck off.
Hey, I don't know how it goes in the US, but here in Poland we have those things, which are called... um... laws! And they quite often concern some stuff, that in some cases is, um... important? Like... I know it... um... VOTING! And there are a few documents specified that can be used to identify oneself when voting. I think that, if you don't have the correct one, you can't vote. So what's the problem?
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Oh, come on man. So you have no idea, why ID has an expiration date, you don't know how expensive/hard it would be to set up a system that would allow for verifying voters, you have no fucking idea why something works the way it works but you're offended. You're so high up on your high horse, that whenever you see something that you perceive as wrong, you need to criticize. You just have your own vision of ideal world and you wish that everything worked the way you want it to.
Who knows? Maybe the cases of people losing their US citizenship but still trying to vote happen often enough that there should be a way to control it? Maybe there were so many people trying to vote in two different polling stations, that a way to confirm they're eligible was important? Maybe there was a system underway, but it got jeff'd or wtf'd so hard, it failed?
Or maybe, just maybe, they just took a system that worked
elsewherein many different countries and thought that it would be nice to implement it in your country? I mean, what's so hard about obtaining a valid ID? I mean, you need those things anyway, right?Just it suck up and stop throwing a tantrum over every fucking thing that seems to you to be just a tad disrespectful in some crazy way, man. Take a chill pill. World isn't that bad, y'know?
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So every voter should be verified, at the poll, on election day, in a process that will take a minute or two, or maybe hours if the systems crash from load.
Also, since they're already printing out huge lists of all the voters in any given district, why not just print out huge lists of all of the eligible voters in any given district based on their records? Then it would, at the poll, on election day, take pretty much exactly the same amount of time.
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So what's the problem?
The problem is that ones which are just as valid as the "correct" ones are being denied for no legitimate reason.
have no fucking idea why something works the way it works
Because it makes zero sense why it works the way it works.
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"Here's a gigantic list of ID that we will accept as long as it has your name and address on it. If you don't have one of those forms of ID, we will give you one for free."
@Fox: "OPPRESSION!!!!!!"
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The problem is that ones which are just as valid as the "correct" ones are being denied for no legitimate reason.
Well, there is a list of "correct" and "valid" documents. If you're a citizen and want to vote, you should take interest and obtain such a document. If you didn't, it's your fault. It's that easy.Plus, as it was pointed out, those other documents were indeed "more correct": they contained an address. A tad important detail, right?
Finally, you might be right that this new law in your ex-land-of-the-free is indeed a non-functional, stupid one. Maybe it is too complicated, maybe it was established too quickly or with too little thought. But why do you have to be so hysterical about it?
Just chill out, man. Stop taking everything so deeply personally. World's not crumbling because a few people didn't get the memo, that they need a different document to vote.
And they were not disrespected, stop talking about that too. Did someone forget about them? Maybe. Was someone afraid that to continue to allow them to do a thing the way they were used to do it could enable some wrongdoing? Maybe. Is it something to scream about? Nope. People get forgot about all the time, it doesn't matter which social group they belong to or who they vote for. It's that easy. This stuff isn't personal.
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Where the hell do you live that your voter registration is valid for more than two years?
I've been registered in California and Virginia. I don't recall any expiration date in California and I just pulled out my current card and it was issued in 2012 but doesn't have any information on expiration. Googling around, it looks like some will expire the registration if you don't vote for long enough.
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Also, since they're already printing out huge lists of all the voters in any given district, why not just print out huge lists of all of the eligible voters in any given district based on their records? Then it would, at the poll, on election day, take pretty much exactly the same amount of time.
People are not unique by name. Your comments seem to be under the impression that they are. However, our voting systems have a tight coupling with geography, so if you're going to verify identities, that's actually important information.
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they contained an address. A tad important detail, right?
A detail which the government already has.
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Your comments seem to be under the impression that they are.
No, I'm not, but people are unique by the various ID numbers on their various government-issued ID cards.
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No, I'm not, but people are unique by the various ID numbers on their various government-issued ID cards.
Not necessarily.
http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/Duplicate__111371029.html?device=phone&c=y
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Okay, then people are probably unique by Name+Birthdate+ID number.
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No, I'm not, but people are unique by the various ID numbers on their various government-issued ID cards.
But good have to have a way to tie that together with the record you have. Insanity! Also, that would pretty much rule out anything issued by the feds.
It would be easier to just use ID that had an address on it.which most people already have. And, again, do the verification upon issue.
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Here's the deal @Fox. We find ourselves at an ideological crossroads.
You think that if any person is too fucking stupid or too fucking lazy to go along with reasonable verification of voter eligibility, that they should be allowed to vote. Presumably, because you see this as a travesty because everyone should be able to vote.
Well, they are. It is not as though anyone is keeping this information secret. In the districts that pass voter registration requirements, I would imagine that it is all over the news, in the newspapers, and that people are talking about the changes. Then some asshole shows up on election day and gets turned away, because they did not take 30 seconds to ensure that they complied with regulations.
On the other side, you have us. We think that if any person is allowed to commit voter fraud, it is too many. So there are reasonable eligibility requirements put in place. We do not see it as a poll tax. In my state, I believe a standard ID card is $7. Voter registration ID is not yet a requirement, but even if it were I do not see $7 as an egregious amount of money to be required to spend in order to vote. Even the poorest people piss away $7 a month. But, in all of the places I have heard of, voted ID cards are free. Yes, some people may have to get a replacement birth certificate, but they need that anyway. That is ancillary to needing a voter ID card. They need it anyway. It is a sunk cost.
It is a no-brainer to me. Most other countries require a reasonable form of ID in order to vote. No one cries foul. Because it is a reasonable thing to be required to go along with in order to vote.
No one is being denied the right to vote. Some people, due to stupidity or laziness do not look at the information that is all around them. Shit, I am not even in an area that has such laws and I know how most of them go.
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This is the most disingenuous thing I've seen written by someone other than Fox in a long time.
Oh, is it? You could try something else than the lamest of all fallacies, Proof by Assertion, then.
You initial claim that "wikipedia is largely controlled by SJWs" is on the same level as the popular "Jews run the media". When challenged by @flabdablet, you pointed to differences between Wikipedia and dictionary.com apparently as evidence of manipulation. Now unlike you who has presented absolutely zero evidence of anything like your alleged "SJW" conspiracy, I have shown that the top boss of dictionary.com has a track record of creating media that are basically synonymous with bullshit, propaganda and stupidity. Not very strong evidence at all, but a whole lot better than your nonexistent one. If you had something like "comrade sister_fister, propaganda specialist with an education from the Kim Jong Un school of gender equality works for the Pará Butchdykes Forced Educashun Team and is the principal editor of the Farsi article on homosexuality", that would be fine. But as long as you're not even capable of that much, you're not the one dealing out the "disingenuous" labels.Try this: compare the defintions on dictionary.com against your favorite dead-tree dictionary, or Merriam-Webster. Then come back and tell us how biased dictionary.com is in practice.
I? You're funny. If you want to prove an allegation, go do your own fucking research. Until you do that, I'm gonna call it bullshit.@LaoC said:
You sure would if you hadn't been indoctrinated by a hundred years of leftists—those were proper right-wing positions back then. It's just more convenient to spout some talking points about how "policy has been moving steadily to the left" than to think about what that actually means, namely abolishing positions that anyone but hardcore neo-nazi idiots would be ashamed of today, isn't it? BTW, it was your idea to juxtapose the left with "conservatives". Not my fault if it doesn't fit your preferred political coordinate system later; you could as well replace that with "right-wingers".If only someone had put an end to it before bitches got voting rights, niggers were considered human beings, poofters could freely roam the streets and whatever other left-wing excess one was fighting against as a good conservative a hundred years ago.
I'm pretty sure no one here is saying that. But don't let facts get in the way of The Cause™.
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various ID numbers on their various government-issued ID cards.
You know what the real, sane solution is? Have a real fucking government mandated ID card. If I want to cast a vote I need to bring my ID, not my drivers license. It's a smart card so they don't even look at the damn card itself but actually read out the data it contains. They need to because the address is not printed on the card but is contained on the chip.
I can even use it to authenticate with official governmental websites. If that was applicable I could probably change my voter registration status there.
It's also used in all health care situations going from hospitals, GPs to pharmacies to check my general insurance status.
Hell, I even need it when dropping of garbage at the recycling center because it's a municipal center and doesn't accept out-of-town garbage.
The card is required for everybody 18+ without it you are still a Belgian resident but you are required to have it and to carry it. They are used so much that there are almost identical cards for non-residents (refugees, certain visa/permit holders, ...) and small children.
Even though they are required and have an expire date, they still charge you for obtaining one. Think it was less then €20 though.
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You say this on Veteran's Day, of all days? You really are a terrible excuse for a human being.
Oh come on! It sure sucks to have spokes put in your wheel on the way to the polling station but having gone to kill people for Uncle Sam is still hardly a reason for respect.
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