The Official Woody Woodpecker Thread
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No, at worst they were turned away from a polling place and not allowed to vote.
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No, at worst they were turned away from a polling place and not allowed to vote.
I looked over the article, I didn't see that...
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No, at worst they were turned away from a polling place and not allowed to vote.
No, at worst, they had armed thugs standing outside the polling place.
No, at worst, they get killed for showing up to vote.
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No, at worst, you were hit by an atomic bomb while you were trying to post that comment.
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People trying to vote with expired IDs are told to fuck off. OMG, oppression!
A guy lost his license due to DUI, hasn't bothered to get another ID, whines about not being able to vote.
Yeah, I see how serious this problem is.
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Oh no, people have to show an ID!! This is like the Fourth Reich!!
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Veterans trying to vote with their veteran ID card are told to fuck off.
People are
told to fuck offunconstitutionally charged fees to obtain voter registration cards or the documents required to apply for them.
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No, at worst, you were hit by an atomic bomb while you were trying to post that comment.
That would be bad, but I don't think that ever happened.
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Sure, flaunt your ignorance. See if I care.
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People are told to fuck offunconstitutionally charged fees to obtain voter registration cards or the documents required to apply for them.
Voter ID cards are free, to the best of my knowledge.
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I don't think that ever happened.
No, but it could've happened. I provided two examples wherein it did happen to other people doing similar things.Sure, flaunt your ignorance. See if I care.
Sure, bring up worst-case-scenarios that are completely irrelevant to the topic of discussion and could just as easily apply to literally any other situation. See if I care.
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And then there's the issue of whether or not, for example, your birth certificate is even accepted. For example, there was one woman who's name was misspelled on her birth certificate, which means she would have to go to court to have it corrected before it would be accepted as proof for the purposes of voter ID.
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You're really reaching for your definition. No one's rights have been infringed.
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People are told to fuck offunconstitutionally charged fees to obtain voter registration cards or the documents required to apply for them.
Yeah, it sucks that people can't vote. But you should read something that isn't hysterical about the case:
The ruling by the panel on Wednesday had several key parts. Here, in summary, is what it ruled:
First, the 2011 photo ID requirement is illegal under Section 2, because of the negative impact it has on the voting opportunities of minorities and the poor.
...Sixth, the panel overturned Judge Ramos’s separate ruling that the photo ID law, because it imposed some cost on persons seeking to obtain photo IDs to satisfy the law, was a form of an unconstitutional poll tax. The photo ID law, the panel said, simply did not fit that definition. Part of the judges’ reasoning was that, since this case began, the Texas legislature has removed some of the fees that previously were charged for obtaining a birth certificate to support a photo ID request.
There are obviously more points there. But they read very differently than your version of things, which doesn't sound like it's taken account of what the appeals court said. That was in August. I think the state just appealed to the Supreme Court, so we'll see what they say.
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No one's rights have been infringed.
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But they read very differently than your version of things
Really?because of the negative impact it has on the voting opportunities of minorities and the poor.
That reads pretty much identically to what I've been saying.
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at a single site, seven voters were turned away because they had expired or insufficient ID
I CBA to research it, but is it legal to vote with an expired ID?
If yes, and this polling station's officials didn't know or ignored it, it is sort of a valid complaint.
If not, those voters should have known better.
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Only if by "infringed" you mean "weren't allowed to bypass reasonable attempts to combat voter fraud".
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reasonable
[citation needed]
I've yet to hear of any cases of voter fraud being committed by voters. In every case of voter fraud I've ever heard of, it was voting officials to blame.
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Having to show an ID for something is not unreasonable.
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Being told your government-supplied ID is insufficient, in order to combat a nonexistent or stupidly rare type of voter fraud, is unreasonable.
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Define "government supplied ID" in the context of one that has been declined.
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Veteran ID cards.
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Link?
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That reads pretty much identically to what I've been saying.
Aside from stuff like contradicting your unconstitutional poll tax theory? Sorry, I thought you had attributed motive to voter ID laws. Going back, that was a separate sentence and different issues.
Still, I'm kind of surprised no one has brought a disparate impact suit against Big Abortion. I mean, not only is the impact huge, but getting rid of the lesser peoples was kind of a founding ideal of progressive Planned Parenthood.
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Aside from stuff like contradicting your unconstitutional poll tax theory?
removed some of the fees
Yeah, they totally contradicted me there. Their conclusion was contradictory, yes, but their reasoning does not support that conclusion.
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Oh noes, it is and ID without an address. Call the SJW brigade.
We have laws and regulations. You have to follow them. He could have went and renewed his drivers license, or got an ID card.
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ID cards are racist, because only white people can figure out how to get them.
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You say this on Veteran's Day, of all days? You really are a terrible excuse for a human being.
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Actually, retired people voting in multiple states is a fairly common thing. Requiring ID with address is pretty sensible.
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My dad is a veteran. It gets him respect, but not the ability to pick and choose which regulations he follows.
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retired people voting in multiple states is a fairly common thing.
[citation needed]
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It gets him respect, but not the ability to pick and choose which regulations he follows.
That's an oxymoron in cases where the regulation is disrespectful.
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Requiring ID with address is pretty sensible.
Actually either a stamp in the passport (so its lack can be verified before you try to vote) or an electronic registry is pretty sensible.
But as with other futuristic technology like EMV cards instead of cheques I wouldn't expect America to catch up anytime soon <body similar
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I mean, that's basically the founding principles of any form of government. Respecting one another.
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Anyone who isn't an asshole.
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@boomzilla said:
retired people voting in multiple states is a fairly common thing.
[citation needed]
Well, I remember reading about retired people who have winter homes doing it, but this article doesn't focus on them, specifically. Still:
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But as with other futuristic technology like EMV cards instead of cheques I wouldn't expect America to catch up anytime soon
One problem with all that is our guarantee of a secret ballot, the enforcement of which sometimes goes overboard.
I mean, that's basically the founding principles of any form of government. Respecting one another.
What?
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My driver's license expires next week. All I have to do is go into our analogue of DMV and exchange it for a new one (and pay 22 euros).
If I fail to do so and I am stopped, I don't expect cops to respect that I've driven for 10 years and my right to drive is still valid, I just have to get a new fucking piece of plastic that says so.
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What?
Why bother allowing your neighbor to keep his cool stuff instead of just taking it by force so you can have cool stuff?
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Expired driver's licenses serve a legitimate purpose to make sure that people who are no longer capable of actually driving safely are not allowed to drive, which is unfortunately a common part of growing old. Spontaneously losing US citizenship is not common.
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@boomzilla said:
What?
Why bother allowing your neighbor to keep his cool stuff instead of just taking it by force so you can have cool stuff?
I've highlighted what is probably the founding philosophy of most forms of government through history. I'm not saying that we shouldn't respect each other, but I don't think that's really a founding principle of governments.
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One problem with all that is our guarantee of a secret ballot, the enforcement of which sometimes goes overboard.
I wasn't talking about e-votes. Still paper ballots, but they have an online database with names and personal identification numbers and they tick you off once you're given the ballots.
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Government, at its core, is a means to prevent people from taking each others' shit just because they want it. It's a form of mutual respect that your shit is yours, my shit is mine, and we'll have to have a damn good reason to try to take one another's shit or else there will be punishments.
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Why bother allowing your neighbor to keep his cool stuff instead of just taking it by force so you can have cool stuff?
This is not about respect. At least I wouldn't say the main reason for property laws is respect.
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Still paper ballots, but they have an online database with names and personal identification numbers and they tick you off once you're given the ballots.
Oh, right. That's tracked differently by each state. I know when I go, they have me down on their printed list. I show them my drivers license and tell them my address. I guess that's like asking kids about their fake IDs. Then I get my ballot and vote.
But some places aren't so interested in making sure you are who you are. DC is (or was) pretty lax. A guy could have voted in place of the Attorney General: