Poll: Daylight Spazzing Time
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juries ... are made up of a random selection of people
No they aren't. The initial group that they are selected from is from a roughly random (there are those excluded systematically), but by the time you get to the actual Jury it isn't random anymore due to the selection process on the initial group.
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I don't see how dumb people voting would be any worse.
Dumb people already vote a lot. The people who don't pay attention aren't necessarily dumb. Just focused on other things in life.
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RARE BLAKEYRAT PEDANTIC DICKWEED POST!<poop>
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RARE BLAKEYRAT PEDANTIC DICKWEED POST!<poop>
As opposed to the much less rare BLAKEYRAT DICKWEED POST.
Also, Discurse sees what you did there.
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by the time you get to the actual Jury it isn't random anymore due to the selection process on the initial group.
I'll get to see this in action myself in a few months.
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Bookmark'd!
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You little baby WTFers probably don't even remember the original RARE BLAKEYRAT PEDANTIC DICKWEED POST which was, IIRC, "there are TWO continents named 'America!'"
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You little baby WTFers probably don't even remember the original RARE BLAKEYRAT PEDANTIC DICKWEED POST which was, IIRC, "there are TWO continents named 'America!'"
So? What's your point?
This argument has been made over and over. But, really, nothing's changing until we come up with a better name for our country. U-nite-ed-States-of-Am-er-i-ca-n-ee-o-zh-ian is just so clumsy. We had to go and choose a lame name and as a result everyone wants to abbreviate it to Am-e-r-i-can.
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especially combined with the country's most prominent republican being the current Prime Minister.
Heh, I didn't know that. Might be about the only thing I would agree on, he was totally useless as Communications Minister. Mr "DSL ought to be enough for everyone who isn't wireless".
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So? What's your point?
He's trying to convince us that he's not a pedantic dickweed, but we all know better.
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I'll get to see this in action myself in a few months.
It's true. The lawyers for both sides can throw out a fixed number of potential jurors without even having a reason. If a potential juror has a history with the topic of the trial they can be deselected; that's called "dismissal with cause" and the number of those is unlimited. The last time I went to jury duty, they were picking jurors for a drunk driving case. They had to go through 12 potential jurors in order to find 6 who hadn't been arrested for it.
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You little baby WTFers probably don't even remember the original RARE BLAKEYRAT PEDANTIC DICKWEED POST which was, IIRC, "there are TWO continents named 'America!'"
If only the old forums were still online so you could link to it!
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In Dallas County, only about 10-15% of people summonsed for jury duty show up. The city makes this worse on itself by not going after people who ignore a summons.
The problem is that means if you show up, they've got you, and you will get another summons every time you become eligible (i.e., every 1 or 2 years (I forget what the refractory period is) + 1 day).
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Washington election goes exactly as planned with absolutely no problems
Sounds more like what happens in Russia or Belarus or China than USA.
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At least the vote in the ballot box is counted, right?
No such guarantee in Poland.
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No they aren't. The initial group that they are selected from is from a roughly random (there are those excluded systematically), but by the time you get to the actual Jury it isn't random anymore due to the selection process on the initial group.
The pool is random, and selection is designed to not favor either side. So, what you end up with is random minus a few extremes. The pool usually isn't that big if the case isn't a high profile one. Most of the dismissals are the obvious ones - "I know the defendant", "I've been arrested", etc. Both times I was selected for jury duty, I ended up sitting on a case.
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It's true. The lawyers for both sides can throw out a fixed number of potential jurors without even having a reason. If a potential juror has a history with the topic of the trial they can be deselected; that's called "dismissal with cause" and the number of those is unlimited. The last time I went to jury duty, they were picking jurors for a drunk driving case. They had to go through 12 potential jurors in order to find 6 who hadn't been arrested for it.
Yeah, I got summoned to be part of the jury pool for a case where a guy got drunk and stole a police vehicle. I ended up getting dismissed because of my religious objections to drinking. I guess that's a month of boredom I got saved from.
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The pool usually isn't that big if the case isn't a high profile one. Most of the dismissals are the obvious ones - "I know the defendant", "I've been arrested", etc.
The last time I went to jury duty, they were picking jurors for a drunk driving case. They had to go through 12 potential jurors in order to find 6 who hadn't been arrested for it.
That kind of elimination factor means it ain't random.
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I ended up getting dismissed because of my religious objections to drinking.
Would that as such have made a difference in how you'd've found?
"Yeah, I was gonna be all fukc da police and let him off, but since he was drunk, he can rot in jail!"
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Would that as such have made a difference in how you'd've found?
I don't believe so. I try to not push my religious beliefs on other people. If people come to me with honest questions (no, not like @lucas), I'm happy to answer them. But I don't expect other people to live by my beliefs unless they share them. Not only that, but they had already made it clear that being drunk wasn't a permissible defense, so I had already dismissed it as an irrelevant fact. Dude was accused of stealing a police vehicle. That he happened to be drunk at the time might have been important come sentencing, but not when it came to determining guilt.
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He was entering the trial with a preconceived bias against the suspect. It doesn't matter whether he thinks it would have influenced his opinion or not.
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No such guarantee in Poland.
But in the last election the other party won, so the election was fair for the first time since 8 years.
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PiS, PO - jedno zło.
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Whatever - the more important thing was the missing .45%.
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random minus a few extremes
I know someone who is currently (or just finished) sitting on a jury. She'd make the worst juror, being the most racist sexist and strongly opinionated person I know. Tattoos? Guilty! Minority race? Guilty! Male? Guilty!
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but by the time you get to the actual Jury it isn't random anymore due to the selection process on the initial group.
Do/don't mention jury nullification during voir dire....
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he was totally useless as Communications Minister. Mr "DSL ought to be enough for everyone who isn't wireless".
He was stuck in a hard place there. He's too liberal (small l) for the Liberal (big L) party and too rich for Labour. He had to toe the party line because dissention isn't tolerated. Now he's in charge he won't make the bullshit "captains call" decisions Abbott made, and he won't change any policy until after the election because "mandate".
I'm hoping for much better things after the election: either a not-Liberal government, or good things from Turnbull once he feels he has the mandate he (his party) requires.
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No such guarantee in Poland.
Well, there are no real guarantees in life, but in most western countries the election process is quite transparent.
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@Gaska said:
No such guarantee in Poland.
Well, there are no real guarantees in life, but in most western countries the election process is quite transparent.
Except here in the good old USA.
US says no to UN-linked election observers
Tennessee To United Nations: Stay Out Of Our Elections
Arresting UN Election ObserversAnd we don't produce election ballots for a court either, by gum...
In Violation of Federal Law, Ohio's 2004 Presidential Election Records Are Destroyed or Missing
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Except here in the good old USA
Perhaps instead of "western" I should have said "civilised".
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The only concerning thing you posted was the one where Ohio wouldn't allow US courts to examine their election records.
The UN can go to hell. They're little more than a giant fucking waste of our money.
