βπ THE BAD IDEAS THREAD
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Keyless entry, yeah, that's useful. Keyless ignition, not so much, IMHO.
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Keyless entry would be significantly less useful if you needed to then get the key out and use it for the ignition.
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Keyless entry would be significantly less useful if you needed to then get the key out and use it for the ignition.
Keyless entry is just a keyfob so that you don't need your key to unlock the door. Like one of these:
I don't know about you, but that's on the same ring as my car key, so keyless entry is pretty damn useful without keyless ignition.
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I don't know about you, but that's on the same ring as my car key
It's part of my car key, so I don't consider it keyless if I need to use the key.
http://www.autokeysquad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/vwww.jpgKeyless entry is when I can unlock the door with the key still in my pocket. Likewise keyless ignition is when I can start the car with the key still in my pocket.
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Don't we have some motorcycle buffs here? This showed up as "Recommended for you" β I can only assume because of the Colin Furze videos I was watching last night. I'm not quite sure where it belongs, but ISTM that it's appropriate here, if for no other reason than how difficult it is to start.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McSikBdGghU
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Keyless entry is when I can unlock the door with the key still in my pocket.
Well, I can't help if your definition is wrong.
Remote keyless entry is a system that allows you to lock and unlock doors by pressing a button on a key or fob[[1](http://ask.cars.com/2010/04/whats-the-definition-of-keyless-remote-entry.html)]
Keyless entry is a way of accessing a car without using a traditional key. Many use it as a convenience, as they are able to unlock all the doors at the touch of a button. This allows others, like children who are old enough to get in on their own, to enter the car quicker.[[2](http://www.ebay.com/gds/What-Is-Keyless-Entry-/10000000177635229/g.html)]
A keyless entry system is an electronic lock that controls access to a building or vehicle without using a traditional mechanical key.
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Keyless remotes contain a short-range radio transmitter, and must be within a certain range, usually 5β20 meters (15β60 ft), of the car to work. When a button is pushed, it sends a coded signal by radio waves to a receiver unit in the car, which locks or unlocks the door.[3]
Keyless entry is a standard feature in vehicles that have installed alarm systems. A small, battery-operated device or remote hangs on the key chain and features one or more buttons for arming and disarming the alarm. The button operates the door locks as well. When the driver approaches the car, a press of the button will not only disarm the alarm, but unlock the driver's door, making it unnecessary to use a key.[[4](http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-keyless-entry.htm)]
The fact that your key is integrated into your fob has no bearing on whether or not it is keyless entry.
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I'll get the marshmallows for the
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Well, I can't help if your definition is wrong.
It's not just my definition.
I have (rightly or wrongly) never heard keyless entry used in reference to the buttons on the key.
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Keyless entry is when I can unlock the door with the key still in my pocket.
Back in the day that my fobs still worked (batteries died years ago, and I never got around to doing anything about it), I could stick my hand in my pocket and push the button on the fob (attached to my key ring) with it still in my pocket. Had the fob been integrated into the key, I'm certain I could have done the same; in fact, I think I very probably have done so with rental cars. Therefore, even the integrated key/fob still meets your definition of keyless entry. Well, I don't know if you can do it, but it is possible for normal people.
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Therefore, even the integrated key/fob still meets your definition of keyless entry.
I really should know better around here, but fine... just in case anyone didn't know what I was getting at...
Keyless entry is when I can unlock the door with the key still in my pocket without touching any part of the key assembly including the buttons. Likewise keyless ignition is when I can start the car with the key still in my pocket without touching any part of the key assembly including the buttons.
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If only there were a way to inject a measured amount of fuel into the carburetors, that thing would probably be a lit easier to start.
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without touching any part of the key assembly including the buttons.
And if you break the button assembly off from the key, does it magically become keyless? No, you know why? Because it already was. Your needless nitpickery here is just wrong.
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And if you break the button assembly off from the key, does it magically become keyless?
Do I still need to press the now detached buttons? I do? Well, then, as you said:
@FrostCat said:No
Your needless nitpickery here is just wrong.
Oh well.
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What I'm telling you here is that the buttons aren't the key, even if they're on the key. They're like barnacles. You have a multifunction device.
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You mean their are cars like that (don't shut off when you remove the key) out there?
My dad's only '65 Chevy S-10 don't.
But that's not on purpose.
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I have (rightly or wrongly) never heard keyless entry used in reference to the buttons on the key.
It was originally used to refer to the numbered keypads on driver side doors. Eventually it was expanded to include key fobs.
The artical you linked was talking about "keyless entry and ignition" systems. Find me a keyless entry system fitting your definition that is independent of keyless ignition, and then I'll believe you aren't just leading a sheltered life.
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My dad's only '65 Chevy S-10 don't.
But that's not on purpose.
I accidentally discovered a similar flaw in a friend's 2000 Dodge Dakota. Oops.
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We didn't have keypads on the doors over here.
Maybe it's a regional thing as I've always heard the system with the fob referred to as remote central locking over here, and keyless wasn't used until the proximity based system.
Or maybe it is just me.
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I accidentally discovered a similar flaw in a friend's 2000 Dodge Dakota. Oops.
Somewhere on the Internet I read about a guy whose Diesel engine wouldn't stop running after taking out the key. One day, on a long journey, he wanted to impress the guys in the car behind him and showed them the key holding it out of the window. They tried to warn him with flashing the headlights and even text the guys in that car, but too late - he didn't remember that the steering wheel lock is independent of a running machine before they reached the next road bend.
(Fits here, as another bad idea)
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I knew somebody who had "landrovers", who used to get out of whilst is was moving to "dynamically" adjust the effective diff ratio by twisting the wheel hub thingy.
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Diesel has tended to run upwards of $0.40/gal more than regular unleaded since Katrina or so, sometimes close to a buck or more. I dunno how it is where you are.
Diesel is about 30ct cheaper per liter than normal fuel here!
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Diesel is abnormal?
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Less widely used. Not the assumed default.
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Less widely used.
Is that true?
I guess it is: 50 billion gallons vs. 148 billion gallons.
So nevermind. I always assumed diesel was the default and gasoline was just for idiots filling their Volvos.
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That is US consumption (2006), not in the EU.
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Yes, as has been discussed many times, I give no shits about Europe.
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You were asking about EU defaults for gas, thus you do care jackass.
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You were asking about EU defaults for gas,
When did that happen?
I was just objecting to the word choice "abnormal", as if anybody who drives a diesel truck is some kind of mutant freak. Only 60% of them are. 75%, max.
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@locallunatic said:
You were asking about EU defaults for gas,
When did that happen?
Here:
@aliceif said:
Less widely used.
Is that true?
As @aliceif is german.
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which started because of this:Diesel is about 30ct cheaper per liter than normal fuel here!
and your response:Diesel is abnormal?
Which is why you were asking about it being abnormal.
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Diesel is about 30ct cheaper per liter than normal fuel here!
In Europe, you use a lot more diesel than we do, I think--our (relatively) high diesel prices are because so few people use it they don't make as much, or so I've heard.
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Seems we use a fair bit more of it than we do petrol. Even in Germany, apparently
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@abarker said:
I accidentally discovered a similar flaw in a friend's 2000 Dodge Dakota. Oops.
Somewhere on the Internet I read about a guy whose Diesel engine wouldn't stop running after taking out the key. One day, on a long journey, he wanted to impress the guys in the car behind him and showed them the key holding it out of the window. They tried to warn him with flashing the headlights and even text the guys in that car, but too late - he didn't remember that the steering wheel lock is independent of a running machine before they reached the next road bend.
(Fits here, as another bad idea)
Shouldn't be impossible because Diesel engines don't need spark plugs but most likely only for older engines. As soon as something like fuel injection comes into play, removing the key will definitely stop the engine :)
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OOoh, the place that image comes from has some nice infographics.
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Not surprising. Most lorries and ... I'd call them 'utility vehicles', no idea if there is a better term, but I mean excavators and other construction equipment... use diesel. Practically only cars use petrol.
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Practically only cars use petrol.
A lot of cars use diesel in Europe too, so much so that there's pollution problems from the particulates produced despite stringent regulations. Mind you, if I was to want to do anything about the pollution problems around Manchester, I'd start by looking at the clapped out buses in use there. Many of them are truly terrible, and are also sources of immense amounts of noise pollution.
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@Mikael_Svahnberg said:
Practically only cars use petrol.
A lot of cars use diesel in Europe too, so much so that there's pollution problems from the particulates produced despite stringent regulations. Mind you, if I was to want to do anything about the pollution problems around Manchester, I'd start by looking at the clapped out buses in use there. Many of them are truly terrible, and are also sources of immense amounts of noise pollution.
I'd get rid of Manchester first, but YMMV.
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Well, what can I say... You never walk alone...
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You never walk alone...
We're not talking about Liverpool. (Manchester United used to sing a variant of that in their games with Liverpool: βYou'll Never Work Againββ¦)
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I know, but perhaps you can better understand my sentiments now...
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This is such "bad practise" that my "runabout" car that is five years old has a very annoying and loud, persistent, beeps. And even my "luxury" car, which is getting on for 16 years old (and is currently rusting away on the drive) makes a more "polite" noise.
Our Mazda
- beeps if you get out of the car and leave the key in the ignition with the engine off
- beeps if you get out of the car and leave the headlights on
- doesn't beep if you get out of the car and leave the engine running
- doesn't beep or automatically turn off the interior lights if, for example, a toddler has switched them from "Door" to "On" and the car is empty and locked. It just happily runs the battery down until it's flat. Then two days later you jump in the car to go to Kindermusik and find the car won't start.
Filed Under: No, why do you ask?
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The key thing here is that cars "remind" you of certain things that it "thinks" you need to know, not necessarily what you actually need to know. I don't know if your Mazda has seatbelt warning lights, but those cars that do work in one of two ways. They either have a just circuit that can tell the seatbelt is not "plugged in", or one that does that along with a pressure sensor to detect if somebody is actually sitting in the seat. Cars also "know" if a door is open or closed.
If leave the keys in / lights on and open the door, it beeps like hell. If I get out and close the door it shuts up. I don't recall if it beeps if the engine is running as I don't do that that often, but because I don't recall it doing it I am going to go with that it doesn't - I shall experiment. My interior lights fade out automatically and I have not tried to see what happens if I switch them on.
Oh, yeah, it also beeps if I drive away with the handbrake on.
One more thing, and this is meant in a purely humorous way :) The implication of your last point (about the interior lights) is: Said Toddler is still in the car two days later when you go take "it" to music lessons. But then, as it is often pointed out "this is the Bad Ideas Topic"
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The key thing here is that cars "remind" you of certain things that it "thinks" you need to know, not necessarily what you actually need to know.
This makes sense if you think of the situation I described as an oversight (which I think is what you are saying) rather than a deliberate use case.
I don't know if your Mazda has seatbelt warning lights, but those cars that do work in one of two ways. They either have a just circuit that can tell the seatbelt is not "plugged in", or one that does that along with a pressure sensor to detect if somebody is actually sitting in the seat.
It has a pressure sensor in the seat so beeps if someone is in the seat without a seatbelt and the car is being driven.
Oh, yeah, it also beeps if I drive away with the handbrake on.
Yeah, the Mazda does too.That's what I found so odd... It beeps for heaps of things (or turns them off with the ignition) but not leaving the interior lights on.
Said Toddler is still in the car two days later when you go take "it" to music lesson
Not done this (for 2 days) but I remember once being on parental leave and not having the boys in the car. I think it was first day of daycare. I dropped them off, drove somewhere to do glamourous errands and got back in the car. I was driving along and noticed the car was quiet....too quiet... For a split second I thought "FUCK - I'VE LEFT THE KIDS SOMEWHERE!"
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I forgot to mention. My car does not switch the radio of when the ignition is turned off. Never risked seeing if it turns off after an hour or so. Some cars that do, flash a message to that effect if you turn it on without the keys being in.
While we are at it. What is it with turning indicators? If I "flick" (the stalk) mine they flash exactly four times, what fucking use is that? If I hold them on, they don't cancel so I have to "flick" them off. Now the idiot car thinks I am turning the other direction.
The end result it that I end up sending a series of contradictory turn indications, which I am sure confuses all those around me and the only thing stopping me seeing their gestures is my total concentration on trying to turn the fuckers off so I am not confusing them an cause an accident. My car is a fairly recent common one, often referred to as a "reps" car.
I think I just answer my "rant"